Originally by: Stalert Balakos

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Dear kieron,
Do you really think this statement "will put this issue behind us once and for all and allow us to continue moving forward with the support of our community"? If so, I think you'll be sorely disappointed.

At the time these allegations first arose you promised us a full investigation. Many of us hoped that you would share the results of that investigation with us but you have not.

You have stated that certain dev characters have been deleted because it had become known that they were used by CCP employees. As I understand it this would have to have happened anyway - whether the allegations were true or not - so this doesn't shed any light on the results of the investigations.

You say that the deletion of these characters is unfortunate, from which we can only infer that they had done nothing wrong, so why not say that? If the investigation revealed that nothing untoward had happened why isn't that written in bold in paragraph one?

It may not satisfy the BoB haters or even (for different reasons) their opposite numbers in the BoB forum squad but for the 90 per cent of us (a pure guesstimate) in the middle it would have been enough.

The fact that you won't share the results of your investigations with us just leads everyone to jump to conclusions and hence you get the resulting flame-filled thread rehashing the same issues all over again.

I'm not interested in seeing anyone's name dragged through the mud, I just want you to tell us straightforwardly what the investigation revealed.

I think you've missed a very good opportunity to once again prove that CCP is the best MMORPG developer out there.

Yours, disillusioned

Stal

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Originally by: Kcel Chim

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Edited by: Kcel Chim on 07/02/2007 11:39:09

Originally by: Ander

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Fact(?): The CCP dev player had 10 t2 bpo's which he left to BoB.
Question: What's the chance of accumulating 10 t2 bpo's on a few characters? How many characters did he have? Did he pay for all "player" accounts/characters which got bpos through R&D?

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of those 10 bpos 8 were ammo bpos as far as im aware. Those 8 bpos would be worth about 10-15 bln isk in total. Not a huge sum if you buy them over time.
The other 2 Bpos which i remember were a malediction and a sabre. Both no items which cant be afforded.

I myself bought in the early days of eve an interceptor bpo for 1 bln isk and i know of a few non BoB guys selling their t2 cruiser bpos for 30bln isk so ask yourself how likely it is to gain enough wealth to be in the possession of 10 (minor) t2 bpos, even with just a single agent (who drops a t2 cruiser bpo of a ship in demand).

The questions of how many bpos he got is really pointless. I got a m8 who got 3 bpos from 5 agents while one of my char got 1 and the other got 0. The lottery system was always borked.

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Originally by: Kcel Chim

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Originally by: Starblizz

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btw, thanks for conferming what everyone has being saying about bob for ages

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confirming what you believe anyways ?

Im not part of the investigation, im not even part of the BoB IGA. I guess we all have to wait on kieron to clear up the t2 bpo thing for the slow kids amongst us.

However my post above gave enough food for thought to ask yourself how awesome those supposed to be haxed t2 bpos really were.
Wouldnt u think a dev cheating, risking his rl job and additionally his 3 years gaming past / future for some iskies would atleast spawn large t2 weapons, hacs, commandships and not ammo + small ships?

I guess this kind of thought never dawned for the hatemongers and forumkids....

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Originally by: Kcel Chim

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Edited by: Kcel Chim on 07/02/2007 11:51:00

Originally by: dj lightning

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As your point about the tech 2 BPO`s u sure know alot about what was given out.

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I do know what Mr.K presented to the public. Hey mentioned the bpos i refered to. If true or not i cant, similar to anyone else not prove. Ill take, like its the fashion of the day, his word for it on this occasion and just put his blog as a reference for their kind and nature.

As for the first capital ship kill, where is the first Bs, the first hac, the first faction cruiser, the first carrier or the first minging barge (they are ORE ships so special too) ?

A titan was both from background and from the dev blogs always a special, a mystical ship.
Back in 2003 Tomb made statements about titans already and how they would be flying monuments only huge alliances could be afford to fly. A statement which would be nicely backed up by a monument for the first destroyed one.
However i dont remember him talking about dreads or commandships or mining barges.

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Originally by: Kcel Chim

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Originally by: Starblizz

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in that day and age dreads were titans, or maybe you've forgoten those days... how convient

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Dreads were never titans.
Tomb talked in his early blogs about flying stations. The concept of a titan and the ship already existed ingame since 2003 / 2004. Dreads were at no point anywhere close to that concept. They were a byproduct of the Structure / Station implementation which required a new superpower siegeweapon.

The titan as a flying station however is part of the history and the story arc of eve ever since its creation and has been in the dreams of many ppl for as long.

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Originally by: Kcel Chim

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Originally by: Starblizz

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Originally by: Kcel Chim

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Originally by: Starblizz

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in that day and age dreads were titans, or maybe you've forgoten those days... how convient

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Dreads were never titans.
Tomb talked in his early blogs about flying stations. The concept of a titan and the ship already existed ingame since 2003 / 2004. Dreads were at no point anywhere close to that concept. They were a byproduct of the Structure / Station implementation which required a new superpower siegeweapon.

The titan as a flying station however is part of the history and the story arc of eve ever since its creation and has been in the dreams of many ppl for as long.

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does the whole first cap ship kill and the largest ship in the game being killed (at that time) mean nothing?

sorry to me the whole killing a logged off titan means nothing to me as well

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youre right killing the biggest ship at a time means nothing.
The titan, regardless of how it was killed, was always supposed to be the uberendgame ship and since it requires a whole alliance and alot of manhours to fly its just natural that its considered a major achievement. Far above the first dread which took 1 person 2 hauls in a freighter, a bpo and back then a 1.0 empire station to build. A freighter which btw was the first capital ship ingame not the dread class. Which also means that the first dread kill wasnt even the first kill of "a new class of ships".

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