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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
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Posted - 2016.03.03 14:34:44 -
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which naughty pirate group violated you?
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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
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Posted - 2016.03.03 16:27:15 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:98040 wrote:You took a direct attack against me by trying to discredit me and my experience, and you assumed a lot of things that weren't true. If you don't like the response you got, be nicer. I'm only saying that I think that CCP should make the art of piracy harder to implement. They can start by making it hard to sit on a spawn point like a gate and farm real players. If you don't like that idea, then propose an alternative that isn't 'I want my money maker imbalance to persist'. That's not what this thread is about. It's still a legit imbalance, and all you folks know it but still want to justify your 'I-Win' griefing campaigns. Thank you to the people who have taken the time to propose alternatives and other potential remedies. That's helpful. Paranoid Loyd wrote:OK, now I am starting to think you are the troll. You have been around since 2003 and still haven't learned to navigate low sec? And you're telling me not to embarrass myself? Why would I go through Jan which is obviously camped, while two jumps away there is another entrance to low sec that is obviously not camped? I'm not even at home right now and I can tell you are doing it wrong. Wow, just wow. You are telling me how I am assuming a lot of things all the while you keep telling me I don't want to lose the ability to gate camp in low sec. News flash, I have never gate camped in low sec. I did propose an alternative. Don't go through systems you know are camped if you don't have the numbers to fight back. I then pointed out how without even being anywhere near a computer that can run eve I found a much much safer route with a 2 jump detour.
Main reason I go in and out of Jan is there is a concord office there where I turn in security tags after I ganked something. So alternate routes around don't help if thats why your going there. That said I was never caught in a camp in Jan. like ever. I have also solo roamed low sec is a t1 destroyer. never died to gate camps. Must just be how I bothered to read up on how to play and op didnt?.
Quick check list for op so he can self balance his eve:
Fit cloak/mwd. Learn how to use them. make book marks in systems. This includes instant dock/undocks as well as perchs above gates and safe spots. never fly direct from a gate to a gate and never land at a gate on zero. check systems for pilot deaths in previous hour scout alts parked in systems you transit alot are win. [*] don't post threads on Crime and punishment asking for low sec nerfs and expect to be taken seriously.
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Barron Hammerstrike
Medusa Nova Mining And Trade
41
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Posted - 2016.03.03 16:40:44 -
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Lowsec is fine how it is and if you're regularly moving through it you should be using your map to gauge how many ships and pods have been destroyed in the systems you're moving through. When you do lose a ship it's the cost of doing business in lowsec which, if you're decent at, should allow you to lose ships on occasion and still come out ahead. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
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Posted - 2016.03.03 16:50:59 -
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i gatecamp, why should your playstyle be more important than mine?
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Azov Rassau
The Hornets Cartel
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Posted - 2016.03.03 16:54:41 -
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Speaking of Jan, the Autaris gate in Jan is often camped. (All I've spotted so far is Svipuls, Keres, logi and some random outrageous Machariel). Also keep in mind that their alliance (<16-13> for the curious) is based 1 jump away, in Nalvula, so watch out. Here's how:
Tarojan wrote: Fit cloak/mwd. Learn how to use them. make book marks in systems. This includes instant dock/undocks as well as perchs above gates and safe spots. never fly direct from a gate to a gate and never land at a gate on zero. check systems for pilot deaths in previous hour scout alts parked in systems you transit alot are win. don't post threads on Crime and punishment asking for low sec nerfs and expect to be taken seriously. /thread I guess.
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2016.03.03 16:58:48 -
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Tarojan wrote:So alternate routes around don't help if thats why your going there. Sure they do, if you were to go around through Hageken you would not even be seen by the gate camp that is obviously sitting on the highsec gate. Going through gate camps is easy assuming you have a proper fit, going around them may take longer but you can use any ship and fit you want.
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
1984
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Posted - 2016.03.03 17:20:42 -
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Whilst we're complaining, I'd also like to point out an inherent issue concerning the Noctis.
I tried running a Maze in one last week and it died within seconds. This is obviously wrong and should be fixed immediately.
Also, what's the point of even being able to put a plex in your cargohold? I hear people complaining about dying whilst autopiloting with them at certain specific gates and stations all the time, especially when they're flying rookie ships. These ships obviously need a buff and / or Thrashers and Tornados need to be rebalanced.
This game is crap because it's not coded correctly. CCP's HTLM sux.
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Mobadder Thworst
Wiking Brigade The Devil's Warrior Alliance
887
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Posted - 2016.03.03 17:33:14 -
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Mortlake wrote:Whilst we're complaining, I'd also like to point out an inherent issue concerning the Noctis.
I tried running a Maze in one last week and it died within seconds. This is obviously wrong and should be fixed immediately.
Also, what's the point of even being able to put a plex in your cargohold? I hear people complaining about dying whilst autopiloting with them at certain specific gates and stations all the time, especially when they're flying rookie ships. These ships obviously need a buff and / or Thrashers and Tornados need to be rebalanced.
This game is crap because it's not coded correctly. CCP's HTLM sux.
+1. I have had these issues.
I would appreciate immediate resolution. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2554
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Posted - 2016.03.03 17:42:54 -
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Mortlake wrote:Whilst we're complaining, I'd also like to point out an inherent issue concerning the Noctis.
I tried running a Maze in one last week and it died within seconds. This is obviously wrong and should be fixed immediately.
Also, what's the point of even being able to put a plex in your cargohold? I hear people complaining about dying whilst autopiloting with them at certain specific gates and stations all the time, especially when they're flying rookie ships. These ships obviously need a buff and / or Thrashers and Tornados need to be rebalanced.
This game is crap because it's not coded correctly. CCP's HTLM sux.
+1 and also cloaky mwd trick removed for anything that isnt a cov ops
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
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Posted - 2016.03.03 19:52:37 -
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I too demand the Noctis get a major buff to its drone bay/bandwidth so I can deploy 5 Gecko's at once.
The ship also needs the drone buff seen on the Procuror and Skiff.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Project.Mayhem.
1639
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Posted - 2016.03.04 10:53:00 -
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Only tools die to gate camps. I can tell.
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Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
563
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Posted - 2016.03.04 12:58:33 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Only tools die to gate camps. I can tell.
You obviously have not done much FW, the Good the Bad and the Ugly all die to gate camps. When a big FW fleet is up we will gate camp a whole system. Letting in prey only to seal off exits. Unless you have cloaks or safeties within the system you are going to be hunted/scanned down and die.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Project.Mayhem.
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Posted - 2016.03.04 19:18:13 -
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Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Only tools die to gate camps. I can tell. You obviously have not done much FW, the Good the Bad and the Ugly all die to gate camps. When a big FW fleet is up we will gate camp a whole system. Letting in prey only to seal off exits. Unless you have cloaks or safeties within the system you are going to be hunted/scanned down and die.
Camping Gates was probably invented by us.
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Jacques d'Orleans
The Scope Gallente Federation
2651
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Posted - 2016.03.06 08:11:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Only tools die to gate camps. I can tell. You obviously have not done much FW, the Good the Bad and the Ugly all die to gate camps. When a big FW fleet is up we will gate camp a whole system. Letting in prey only to seal off exits. Unless you have cloaks or safeties within the system you are going to be hunted/scanned down and die. Camping Gates was probably invented by us.
Sorry mate, but that was m0o back in the days
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
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Posted - 2016.03.06 11:51:02 -
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98040 wrote:I've been playing this game since 2003. That's 13 years for you, math genius. I know all the tricks.
Actually, you've been cowering in an NPC corp since 2006, so I doubt you've played Eve at all.
98040 wrote:Don't embarrass yourself.
You mean embarrass himself by talking like a particularly immature 12-year old?
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
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Posted - 2016.03.06 13:09:49 -
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Wow.
Scumbags who don't even get out of their starter corp for 10 years don't even deserve to be allowed to post on the forums. Or do anything else, for that matter.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
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StonerPhReaK
Best Kept Frozen. Bad Intention
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Posted - 2016.03.06 13:44:04 -
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Im starting to doubt that this even happened. Ive been to Jan thousands of times in my career and never once have i been targeted and shot at for no apparent reason. The residents there are super friendly and would have probably welcomed OP with open arms had he initiated a convo with anyone ongrid. Theres plenty of time too, considering the 30 seconds of free cloaking you get after jumping a gate.
Again, i doubt this even happened. Forum alt post. No killmails. Boring story. Lies of lengthy career yet has no knowledge of cloak mwd win button.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11100
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Posted - 2016.03.06 14:34:18 -
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13 years in this game and you haven't figured out that posting and whining on an NPC alt (anywhere in the forums really, but especially in See and Pee) makes you look like an incredibly cowardly and petulant child? Seems like you need to lurk for another decade or so.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Project.Mayhem.
1641
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Posted - 2016.03.06 21:51:08 -
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Jacques d'Orleans wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Only tools die to gate camps. I can tell. You obviously have not done much FW, the Good the Bad and the Ugly all die to gate camps. When a big FW fleet is up we will gate camp a whole system. Letting in prey only to seal off exits. Unless you have cloaks or safeties within the system you are going to be hunted/scanned down and die. Camping Gates was probably invented by us. Sorry mate, but that was m0o back in the days
Don-¦t know whats wrong with eve gate but TDG exists since 2003-08-21. m0o infact "invented" gate camping between Mara and Passari 2 months before that.
...but what can I say...where is m0o now? We are still here.
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Mobadder Thworst
Wiking Brigade The Devil's Warrior Alliance
900
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Posted - 2016.03.06 23:49:04 -
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You lost your destroyer in a place called "lowsec" and you have determined that there was inadequate security.
Clearly, this was a dev oversight.
There should be more warnings in place to keep people like you out of low.
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Trevor Dalech
We pooped on your lawn Resonance.
216
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Posted - 2016.03.07 04:11:16 -
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Even the best of us (of which I am not one) die to camps occasionally. Part of the game, and reason for the rule: don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
My last loss to a camp I lost a 500m or so stratios. I congratulated the campers on littering the gate with so many cans, wrecks and corpses that not only was my stratios unable to cloak, but my frame rate dropped to nothing. I did NOT go to the forums crying that corpses needed to be nerfed. |
Areen Sassel
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Posted - 2016.03.07 04:58:12 -
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StonerPhReaK wrote:Theres plenty of time too, considering the 30 seconds of free cloaking you get after jumping a gate.
60 seconds, if you'll forgive me saying so. |
Jacques d'Orleans
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Posted - 2016.03.07 09:21:08 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Jacques d'Orleans wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Only tools die to gate camps. I can tell. You obviously have not done much FW, the Good the Bad and the Ugly all die to gate camps. When a big FW fleet is up we will gate camp a whole system. Letting in prey only to seal off exits. Unless you have cloaks or safeties within the system you are going to be hunted/scanned down and die. Camping Gates was probably invented by us. Sorry mate, but that was m0o back in the days Don-¦t know whats wrong with eve gate but TDG exists since 2003-08-21. m0o infact "invented" gate camping between Mara and Passari 2 months before that. ...but what can I say...where is m0o now? We are still here.
I know, i was just saying and no offense was intended.
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Smitty Uitra
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11
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Posted - 2016.03.07 09:57:52 -
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98040 wrote:What efforts are being made to balance lowsec gate camping?
It is far too easy for pirate criminals to camp. These days all you need is a couple of frigate logi and you're good. WTF is that about?
It used to be that to solo tank a gate gun setup you needed uber skills and a wicked ship. Back in the day the only thing that could do it was a Rattlesnake. Now every pussie ship with a remote rep setup can sit on a station or a gate and interdict at will. If you're not traveling with advanced scouts, cloaked, or in a 3000 m/s ship, you're dead.
Pirating should be a real profession, but at least make them work against the game for it.
The imbalance is real - most people who are traveling intra-Empire are doing so as a solo pilot. If every .4 gate has a camp of some kind, the players who don't belong to large corps (think: small business) are just getting pulverized.
Way too easy. Incredibly one-dimensional.
Not my main. Who cares.
So I took some time the last few days and did some traveling through low. Hit some FW systems did a lot of jumping from high sec to low sec. Saw a lot of gatecamps. I didn't die. Got really close from a smart bombing camp. I really don't see what your issue is other than not planning ahead. Maybe you should make friends with the people that occupy the low sec you travel through so you don't have to make pointless posts about how things are unfair. I wouldn't want CCP seeing this and nerfing it the way they are about to nerf watchlists. |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
544
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Posted - 2016.03.07 10:33:42 -
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The list of ships that can EASILY avoid ANY LowSec gate camp includes, but is not limited to:
1: Any Frigate fit for sufficient agility to have a <2sec align time. This is possible pretty much when you create a character. 2: Any T3 Destroyer. 3: Any CovOps ship able to warp cloaked, this includes BLOCKADE RUNNERS. 4: Any ship fit with both a Cloak and a hull-appropriate sized MWD, as linked previously, this includes BATTLESHIPS if you can use the MWD/Cloak trick.
I've spent a fair bit of time camping the Nourvukaiken gate in Tama. A known gate-camp hotspot. I'm constantly amazed that we can be there for over an hour (and rolling drunk by that time) and people will still jump blingy ships through unscouted.
NOTE: I'm usually found in an Arty-Insta-Thrasher (with friends) on that gate. No prop mod. No tank. Just lock speed and damage mods. All you have to do to kill any or all of us is get a point on and survive long enough for the gate guns to do the damage for you.
We had a tackle Keres take us all out a while back. He was fit purely with points and tank. He tanked us while the gate guns destroyed us. One Keres, six dead Thrashers (already replaced, didn't want that Thrasher anyways).
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StonerPhReaK
Best Kept Frozen. Bad Intention
365
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Posted - 2016.03.07 23:16:09 -
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Areen Sassel wrote:StonerPhReaK wrote:Theres plenty of time too, considering the 30 seconds of free cloaking you get after jumping a gate. 60 seconds, if you'll forgive me saying so.
I Stand corrected. Thanks M'lady.
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JacenSolo
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:47:21 -
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98040 wrote:What efforts are being made to balance lowsec gate camping?
It is far too easy for pirate criminals to camp. These days all you need is a couple of frigate logi and you're good. WTF is that about?
It used to be that to solo tank a gate gun setup you needed uber skills and a wicked ship. Back in the day the only thing that could do it was a Rattlesnake. Now every pussie ship with a remote rep setup can sit on a station or a gate and interdict at will. If you're not traveling with advanced scouts, cloaked, or in a 3000 m/s ship, you're dead.
Pirating should be a real profession, but at least make them work against the game for it.
The imbalance is real - most people who are traveling intra-Empire are doing so as a solo pilot. If every .4 gate has a camp of some kind, the players who don't belong to large corps (think: small business) are just getting pulverized.
Way too easy. Incredibly one-dimensional.
Not my main. Who cares. I guess i would have to disagree. "back in the real day" you had to spend hour on end making bookmarks for your route to ensure you made it to the gate and not 15km away. Im not saying i like it but it is what it is. |
Professor Humbert
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
16
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Posted - 2016.03.08 07:11:43 -
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Erm.. if you have a couple of logi frigs in your camp, it's not a solo camp. And if a job that one rattlesnake could do solo now requires a couple of logi ships, you can't say camping has become easier. |
Veik Hemah
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2016.03.11 13:54:03 -
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There is a very easy way to break gatecamps in lowsec.
Drop a butt ton of supers and titans on them, usually does the trick. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Project.Mayhem.
1643
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Posted - 2016.03.15 11:42:26 -
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Veik Hemah wrote:There is a very easy way to break gatecamps in lowsec.
Drop a butt ton of supers and titans on them, usually does the trick.
True. Come again...I suggest a different System than Hakonen next time though....
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