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98040
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.02 20:55:01 -
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What efforts are being made to balance lowsec gate camping?
It is far too easy for pirate criminals to camp. These days all you need is a couple of frigate logi and you're good. WTF is that about?
It used to be that to solo tank a gate gun setup you needed uber skills and a wicked ship. Back in the day the only thing that could do it was a Rattlesnake. Now every pussie ship with a remote rep setup can sit on a station or a gate and interdict at will. If you're not traveling with advanced scouts, cloaked, or in a 3000 m/s ship, you're dead.
Pirating should be a real profession, but at least make them work against the game for it.
The imbalance is real - most people who are traveling intra-Empire are doing so as a solo pilot. If every .4 gate has a camp of some kind, the players who don't belong to large corps (think: small business) are just getting pulverized.
Way too easy. Incredibly one-dimensional.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.03.02 20:59:06 -
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98040 wrote:What efforts are being made to balance lowsec gate camping?
None, because it's fine. Get some friends and go kill the campers.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
14466
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Posted - 2016.03.02 21:00:25 -
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last time i lowsec gate camped a 17 man blops fleet kicked my teeth in.
plenty of tools to evade, avoid , slap about, lernem and stop whinging
Better the Devil you know.
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Paranoid Loyd
8567
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Posted - 2016.03.02 21:06:41 -
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98040 wrote:Pirating should be a real profession, but at least make them work against the game for it. That's your job, not the developers.
98040 wrote:Way too easy. As easy as it is to avoid them if you don't have the numbers to fight them.
Fix the Prospect!
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98040
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.02 21:18:32 -
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This is the problem with consensus-driven development. The only way I make my point is by chopping down yours.
No one is arguing that Piracy isn't a real profession. I'm not complaining.
Ralph, great that you got ass-raped for a change, but you lost one ship. How many ships and pods did you kill before you lost your one ship? Imbalance.
Paranoid, Ofc the natural defense is 'you're whining'. I'm not. It's a legitimate question. Yes, I could go out and recruit endlessly, but I did that years ago and it was not the game experience I wanted. I don't want to devote my life to Eve. We have a very small corp, we play very certain aspects of the game that don't require endless time investments. Adding Piracy protection isn't my thing. If I can't send a ship between two gates in lowsec, then what's the point of calling it lowsec. The rules are the same as 0.0, except we can't fight back as solo pilots OR as a small corp. The people camping are in Corps that are part of an aliiance. I can't war dec a corp in an alliance, and we don't have enough raw numbers to even consider it anyhow.
That's a huge limitation to MY style of game play. I have the right to have a legitimate profession, also. I don't care about yours. If you want to champion your game play, go start a new thread, pirate.
Trolling isn't really necessary to debate a point that's worthy of some attention.
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:last time i lowsec gate camped a 17 man blops fleet kicked my teeth in.
plenty of tools to evade, avoid , slap about, lernem and stop whinging |
Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
561
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Posted - 2016.03.02 21:18:52 -
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98040 wrote:What efforts are being made to balance lowsec gate camping?
It is far too easy for pirate criminals to camp. These days all you need is a couple of frigate logi and you're good. WTF is that about?
It used to be that to solo tank a gate gun setup you needed uber skills and a wicked ship. Back in the day the only thing that could do it was a Rattlesnake. Now every pussie ship with a remote rep setup can sit on a station or a gate and interdict at will. If you're not traveling with advanced scouts, cloaked, or in a 3000 m/s ship, you're dead.
Way too easy. Incredibly one-dimensional.
Pirating should be a real profession, but at least make them work against the game for it.
No not my main. Who cares.
Your post is like bait-fish to the sharks that lurk here - love it! ( have you a prepared list of ready smack talk ).
Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.
Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
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Azov Rassau
The Hornets Cartel
216
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Posted - 2016.03.02 21:23:37 -
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98040 wrote:If I can't send a ship between two gates in lowsec, then what's the point of calling it lowsec.
98040 wrote:If you're not traveling with advanced scouts, cloaked, or in a 3000 m/s ship, you're dead. You can also avoid them by using the good old Cloak/MWD trick. Here's a video demonstration with Armageddon battleship. (quite old vid, but still works). It won't make you 100% safe, but it works well...
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
14466
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Posted - 2016.03.02 21:26:22 -
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actually ,yeah you very clearly are.
Better the Devil you know.
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Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
561
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Posted - 2016.03.02 21:45:50 -
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Azov Rassau wrote:98040 wrote:If I can't send a ship between two gates in lowsec, then what's the point of calling it lowsec. 98040 wrote:If you're not traveling with advanced scouts, cloaked, or in a 3000 m/s ship, you're dead. You can also avoid them by using the good old Cloak/MWD trick. Here's a video demonstration with Armageddon battleship. (quite old vid, but still works). It won't make you 100% safe, but it works well...
Thx, actually learnt something new in a C&P thread.
Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.
Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
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Smitty Uitra
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.03.02 21:53:33 -
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98040 wrote:This is the problem with consensus-driven development. The only way I make my point is by chopping down yours. No one is arguing that Piracy isn't a real profession. I'm not complaining. Ralph, great that you got ass-raped for a change, but you lost one ship. How many ships and pods did you kill before you lost your one ship? Imbalance. Paranoid, Ofc the natural defense is 'you're whining'. I'm not. It's a legitimate question. Yes, I could go out and recruit endlessly, but I did that years ago and it was not the game experience I wanted. I don't want to devote my life to Eve. We have a very small corp, we play very certain aspects of the game that don't require endless time investments. Adding Piracy protection isn't my thing. If I can't send a ship between two gates in lowsec, then what's the point of calling it lowsec. The rules are the same as 0.0, except we can't fight back as solo pilots OR as a small corp. The people camping are in Corps that are part of an aliiance. I can't war dec a corp in an alliance, and we don't have enough raw numbers to even consider it anyhow. That's a huge limitation to MY style of game play. I have the right to have a legitimate profession, also. I don't care about yours. If you want to champion your game play, go start a new thread, pirate. Trolling isn't really necessary to debate a point that's worthy of some attention. Ralph King-Griffin wrote:last time i lowsec gate camped a 17 man blops fleet kicked my teeth in.
plenty of tools to evade, avoid , slap about, lernem and stop whinging
Why not use a cloaky ship or use a scout? Why come here and cry about it? If low sec is too much for you then stick to high sec. Also you could war Dec them, wait until there's one off by itself and kill them. Another thing you could do is fly an intercepter. Most of lowsec is dead.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2160
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Posted - 2016.03.02 21:57:43 -
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98040 wrote:This is the problem with consensus-driven development. The only way I make my point is by chopping down yours.
No one is arguing that Piracy isn't a real profession. I'm not complaining.
I don't see how you could possibly claim that you are not complaining. You are very clearly complaining. In fact, it would more aptly be termed "whining".
Quote:Ralph, great that you got ass-raped for a change, but you lost one ship. How many ships and pods did you kill before you lost your one ship? Imbalance.
It is fascinating that you think that "balance" could be determined by such a tally.
Quote:Paranoid, Ofc the natural defense is 'you're whining'. I'm not. It's a legitimate question. Yes, I could go out and recruit endlessly, but I did that years ago and it was not the game experience I wanted. I don't want to devote my life to Eve. We have a very small corp, we play very certain aspects of the game that don't require endless time investments. Adding Piracy protection isn't my thing. If I can't send a ship between two gates in lowsec, then what's the point of calling it lowsec. The rules are the same as 0.0, except we can't fight back as solo pilots OR as a small corp. The people camping are in Corps that are part of an aliiance. I can't war dec a corp in an alliance, and we don't have enough raw numbers to even consider it anyhow.
Right, so you could do something about it, you're just unwilling to.
And, no, the rules are not the same as 0.0. Gateguns, no bubbles, no bombs.
You absolutely can fight back. Ctrl+click the bad guy, then press F1. You're now fighting back. I can't imagine why you would need to war dec anyone, as your average low-sec gate camper is -10 already.
Quote:That's a huge limitation to MY style of game play. I have the right to have a legitimate profession, also. I don't care about yours. If you want to champion your game play, go start a new thread, pirate.
Trolling isn't really necessary to debate a point that's worthy of some attention.
Your style of play seems to be, "Blundering about helplessly with the expectation that nobody should be allowed to interfere with me." Thank goodness someone is interfering with that nonsense.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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Paranoid Loyd
8567
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Posted - 2016.03.02 21:59:58 -
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98040 wrote:Trolling isn't really necessary to debate a point that's worthy of some attention. Who's trolling? I gave you an honest answer. I roll through low sec all the time and I never get caught in gate camps, so it seems you don't know how to play the game properly and perceive this as a need for change. Whereas I know how to navigate without worry and do not believe this is worthy of as you put it, attention.
Fix the Prospect!
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2160
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Posted - 2016.03.02 22:03:02 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:98040 wrote:Trolling isn't really necessary to debate a point that's worthy of some attention. Who's trolling? I gave you an honest answer. I roll through low sec all the time, I never get caught in gate camps. so it seems you don't know how to play the game properly and perceive this as a need for change. Whereas I know how to navigate without worry and do not believe this is worth of attention.
On that note, I've been solo-suicide-roaming in an MJD-only fit drake the last few days and I haven't so much as been yellow-boxed while traveling through low to-and-from null.
Outside of FW zones, low is pretty devoid of life.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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98040
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.03.02 22:11:30 -
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Go to Jan. You will meet your maker quickly.
I think there's a lot of merit to counter-GANK rolling setups, as long as that's your intention.
The problem is when it's not your intention.
SurrenderMonkey wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:98040 wrote:Trolling isn't really necessary to debate a point that's worthy of some attention. Who's trolling? I gave you an honest answer. I roll through low sec all the time, I never get caught in gate camps. so it seems you don't know how to play the game properly and perceive this as a need for change. Whereas I know how to navigate without worry and do not believe this is worth of attention. On that note, I've been solo-suicide-roaming in an MJD-only fit drake the last few days and I haven't so much as been yellow-boxed while traveling through low to-and-from null. Outside of FW zones, low is pretty devoid of life.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
14466
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Posted - 2016.03.02 22:14:06 -
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98040 wrote: when it's not your intention.
you shouldn't be blind jumping into low-sec without doing your homework or knowing how to evade a camp, simples
Better the Devil you know.
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98040
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.02 22:20:28 -
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Don't embarrass yourself.
I've been playing this game since 2003. That's 13 years for you, math genius. I know all the tricks.
There is no profession in all of Eve that allows you to sit on a spawn point indefinitely and farm and kill players with literal impunity. Sorry you don't want your little gold mine to disappear. We said the same thing about the T2 mining laser monopoly, BPO monopoly, etc, etc. All of those things got balanced, but only after people started quitting the game in protest. This will get addressed, too.
Paranoid Loyd wrote:98040 wrote:Trolling isn't really necessary to debate a point that's worthy of some attention. Who's trolling? I gave you an honest answer. I roll through low sec all the time and I never get caught in gate camps, so it seems you don't know how to play the game properly and perceive this as a need for change. Whereas I know how to navigate without worry and do not believe this is worthy of as you put it, attention.
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Paranoid Loyd
8569
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Posted - 2016.03.02 22:23:48 -
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OK, now I am starting to think you are the troll. You have been around since 2003 and still haven't learned to navigate low sec? And you're telling me not to embarrass myself?
Fix the Prospect!
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98040
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.02 22:28:13 -
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I know the route is frequently camped. I assumed that risk when I jumped solo.
When you jump from .4 from .5 and there's a wall of flashing red, that's a problem that no tactical effort is going to overcome.
I was in a Destroyer. Do I really need a scout for a Destroyer? I don't think so.
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:98040 wrote: when it's not your intention.
you shouldn't be blind jumping into low-sec without doing your homework or knowing how to evade a camp, simples
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98040
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.02 22:34:18 -
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You took a direct attack against me by trying to discredit me and my experience, and you assumed a lot of things that weren't true. If you don't like the response you got, be nicer.
I'm only saying that I think that CCP should make the art of piracy harder to implement.
They can start by making it hard to sit on a spawn point like a gate and farm real players. If you don't like that idea, then propose an alternative that isn't 'I want my money maker imbalance to persist'. That's not what this thread is about.
It's still a legit imbalance, and all you folks know it but still want to justify your 'I-Win' griefing campaigns.
Thank you to the people who have taken the time to propose alternatives and other potential remedies. That's helpful.
Paranoid Loyd wrote:OK, now I am starting to think you are the troll. You have been around since 2003 and still haven't learned to navigate low sec? And you're telling me not to embarrass myself? Why would I go through Jan which is obviously camped, while two jumps away there is another entrance to low sec that is obviously not camped? I'm not even at home right now and I can tell you are doing it wrong.
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
1957
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Posted - 2016.03.02 22:35:15 -
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98040 wrote: Ralph, great that you got ass-raped for a change, but you lost one ship. How many ships and pods did you kill before you lost your one ship? Imbalance.
:effort:
Father to a murdered son. Husband to a murdered wife. Truth be told, I've been pretty unlucky.
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Paranoid Loyd
8570
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Posted - 2016.03.02 22:40:43 -
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98040 wrote:You took a direct attack against me by trying to discredit me and my experience, and you assumed a lot of things that weren't true. If you don't like the response you got, be nicer. I'm only saying that I think that CCP should make the art of piracy harder to implement. They can start by making it hard to sit on a spawn point like a gate and farm real players. If you don't like that idea, then propose an alternative that isn't 'I want my money maker imbalance to persist'. That's not what this thread is about. It's still a legit imbalance, and all you folks know it but still want to justify your 'I-Win' griefing campaigns. Thank you to the people who have taken the time to propose alternatives and other potential remedies. That's helpful. Paranoid Loyd wrote:OK, now I am starting to think you are the troll. You have been around since 2003 and still haven't learned to navigate low sec? And you're telling me not to embarrass myself? Why would I go through Jan which is obviously camped, while two jumps away there is another entrance to low sec that is obviously not camped? I'm not even at home right now and I can tell you are doing it wrong. Wow, just wow. You are telling me how I am assuming a lot of things all the while you keep telling me I don't want to lose the ability to gate camp in low sec. News flash, I have never gate camped in low sec.
I did propose an alternative. Don't go through systems you know are camped if you don't have the numbers to fight back. I then pointed out how without even being anywhere near a computer that can run eve I found a much much safer route with a 2 jump detour.
Fix the Prospect!
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2160
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Posted - 2016.03.02 22:49:11 -
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98040 wrote:Go to Jan. You will meet your maker quickly. I think there's a lot of merit to counter-GANK rolling setups, as long as that's your intention. The problem is when it's not your intention. SurrenderMonkey wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:98040 wrote:Trolling isn't really necessary to debate a point that's worthy of some attention. Who's trolling? I gave you an honest answer. I roll through low sec all the time, I never get caught in gate camps. so it seems you don't know how to play the game properly and perceive this as a need for change. Whereas I know how to navigate without worry and do not believe this is worth of attention. On that note, I've been solo-suicide-roaming in an MJD-only fit drake the last few days and I haven't so much as been yellow-boxed while traveling through low to-and-from null. Outside of FW zones, low is pretty devoid of life.
Went through Jan last night. There was a lone Oracle sitting 40km off a gate. When I came back, a Stratios had joined him.
They didn't shoot me.
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Mag's
Azn Empire
21347
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Posted - 2016.03.02 23:23:44 -
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I have a feeling you've never actually taken part long term, in gate camping low sec. Rather than it being 'easy' as you put it, it's the opposite. Your statement regarding the Rattlesnakes, belies your claim of being a 2003 player. Not only was it possible without that ship, it was happing before that ship even existed.
The game has seen many changes over the years, that have made lowsec piracy on gate harder than ever. WTZ, auto pilot settings and more, have all seen a massive decrease in low sec piracy on gates. But also game changes to how you can be attacked have also meant gate camping in low, is very much one of the riskiest professions in the game.
Now at this point I'm sure you'll be disagreeing a lot and thinking you know best. But here's why you would be wrong.
When you camp a gate, you have a rather large, 'We are here' sign. You remain in the same spot and basically invite everyone and their the kitchen sink to come and have a go. Not only that, but the fits required to camp successfully, do not generally bode well when groups arrive on the scene to violence your boat.
You are for all intents and purposes, sitting ducks.
Now your suggestion that as pirates we should fight the game, is quite frankly ridiculous. This is a sandbox MMO. The whole point of the game is small set of rules, open game for players to makes their own. But gate camping IS piracy. We camped Rancer for years and made a fairly good living off ransoms, but it got harder and harder. To the point, it became pointless.
You also suggest it's a problem when the intention isn't to hunt campers. Well welcome to Eve. The game is full of situations that meet that requirement, including fittings. Which is all the more reason why gate camping is fine. To suggest travelling should be made safer, because you do not or will not use the tools readily available, isn't going to gain any traction here or with CCP.
The game as it sits now, is the safest it's ever been for those wishing to avoid conflict. So much so it saddens me. So you'll have to excuse me for laughing at and mocking your ignorance.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
1960
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Posted - 2016.03.02 23:36:00 -
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You are the psoriasis that is irritating EvE.
Father to a murdered son. Husband to a murdered wife. Truth be told, I've been pretty unlucky.
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
809
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Posted - 2016.03.03 00:19:24 -
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everyone replying in this thread, hasn't actually left hisec.
just sayn.
@JerryTPepridge
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Areen Sassel
78
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Posted - 2016.03.03 01:12:18 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:everyone replying in this thread, hasn't actually left hisec.
Left hisec? I haven't found the undock button yet.
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pushdogg
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
73
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Posted - 2016.03.03 03:58:30 -
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Post with your main or gtfo.
I want to to see the lossmail that sparked this rage. |
Vapis Bikker
FUITA Dead Terrorists
0
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Posted - 2016.03.03 04:51:59 -
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tell us where the bad pirate touched you. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
336
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Posted - 2016.03.03 10:05:29 -
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98040 wrote: I was in a Destroyer. Do I really need a scout for a Destroyer? I don't think so.
clearly you are very dead wrong.
anyway, if gate camping is so easy, bring your friends and make the effort to get rid of them.
Just Add Water
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1670
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Posted - 2016.03.03 13:08:37 -
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*looks at OP's post*
Hmmm
Wait.
You got caught in a gate camp?
In lowsec?
HHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHA
In a destroyer?!!?!?!?
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2551
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Posted - 2016.03.03 14:34:44 -
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which naughty pirate group violated you?
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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
224
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Posted - 2016.03.03 16:27:15 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:98040 wrote:You took a direct attack against me by trying to discredit me and my experience, and you assumed a lot of things that weren't true. If you don't like the response you got, be nicer. I'm only saying that I think that CCP should make the art of piracy harder to implement. They can start by making it hard to sit on a spawn point like a gate and farm real players. If you don't like that idea, then propose an alternative that isn't 'I want my money maker imbalance to persist'. That's not what this thread is about. It's still a legit imbalance, and all you folks know it but still want to justify your 'I-Win' griefing campaigns. Thank you to the people who have taken the time to propose alternatives and other potential remedies. That's helpful. Paranoid Loyd wrote:OK, now I am starting to think you are the troll. You have been around since 2003 and still haven't learned to navigate low sec? And you're telling me not to embarrass myself? Why would I go through Jan which is obviously camped, while two jumps away there is another entrance to low sec that is obviously not camped? I'm not even at home right now and I can tell you are doing it wrong. Wow, just wow. You are telling me how I am assuming a lot of things all the while you keep telling me I don't want to lose the ability to gate camp in low sec. News flash, I have never gate camped in low sec. I did propose an alternative. Don't go through systems you know are camped if you don't have the numbers to fight back. I then pointed out how without even being anywhere near a computer that can run eve I found a much much safer route with a 2 jump detour.
Main reason I go in and out of Jan is there is a concord office there where I turn in security tags after I ganked something. So alternate routes around don't help if thats why your going there. That said I was never caught in a camp in Jan. like ever. I have also solo roamed low sec is a t1 destroyer. never died to gate camps. Must just be how I bothered to read up on how to play and op didnt?.
Quick check list for op so he can self balance his eve:
Fit cloak/mwd. Learn how to use them. make book marks in systems. This includes instant dock/undocks as well as perchs above gates and safe spots. never fly direct from a gate to a gate and never land at a gate on zero. check systems for pilot deaths in previous hour scout alts parked in systems you transit alot are win. [*] don't post threads on Crime and punishment asking for low sec nerfs and expect to be taken seriously.
Will gank for food
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Barron Hammerstrike
Medusa Nova Mining And Trade
41
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Posted - 2016.03.03 16:40:44 -
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Lowsec is fine how it is and if you're regularly moving through it you should be using your map to gauge how many ships and pods have been destroyed in the systems you're moving through. When you do lose a ship it's the cost of doing business in lowsec which, if you're decent at, should allow you to lose ships on occasion and still come out ahead. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2553
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Posted - 2016.03.03 16:50:59 -
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i gatecamp, why should your playstyle be more important than mine?
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Azov Rassau
The Hornets Cartel
217
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Posted - 2016.03.03 16:54:41 -
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Speaking of Jan, the Autaris gate in Jan is often camped. (All I've spotted so far is Svipuls, Keres, logi and some random outrageous Machariel). Also keep in mind that their alliance (<16-13> for the curious) is based 1 jump away, in Nalvula, so watch out. Here's how:
Tarojan wrote: Fit cloak/mwd. Learn how to use them. make book marks in systems. This includes instant dock/undocks as well as perchs above gates and safe spots. never fly direct from a gate to a gate and never land at a gate on zero. check systems for pilot deaths in previous hour scout alts parked in systems you transit alot are win. don't post threads on Crime and punishment asking for low sec nerfs and expect to be taken seriously. /thread I guess.
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Paranoid Loyd
8582
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Posted - 2016.03.03 16:58:48 -
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Tarojan wrote:So alternate routes around don't help if thats why your going there. Sure they do, if you were to go around through Hageken you would not even be seen by the gate camp that is obviously sitting on the highsec gate. Going through gate camps is easy assuming you have a proper fit, going around them may take longer but you can use any ship and fit you want.
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
1984
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Posted - 2016.03.03 17:20:42 -
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Whilst we're complaining, I'd also like to point out an inherent issue concerning the Noctis.
I tried running a Maze in one last week and it died within seconds. This is obviously wrong and should be fixed immediately.
Also, what's the point of even being able to put a plex in your cargohold? I hear people complaining about dying whilst autopiloting with them at certain specific gates and stations all the time, especially when they're flying rookie ships. These ships obviously need a buff and / or Thrashers and Tornados need to be rebalanced.
This game is crap because it's not coded correctly. CCP's HTLM sux.
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Mobadder Thworst
Wiking Brigade The Devil's Warrior Alliance
887
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Posted - 2016.03.03 17:33:14 -
[38] - Quote
Mortlake wrote:Whilst we're complaining, I'd also like to point out an inherent issue concerning the Noctis.
I tried running a Maze in one last week and it died within seconds. This is obviously wrong and should be fixed immediately.
Also, what's the point of even being able to put a plex in your cargohold? I hear people complaining about dying whilst autopiloting with them at certain specific gates and stations all the time, especially when they're flying rookie ships. These ships obviously need a buff and / or Thrashers and Tornados need to be rebalanced.
This game is crap because it's not coded correctly. CCP's HTLM sux.
+1. I have had these issues.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2554
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Posted - 2016.03.03 17:42:54 -
[39] - Quote
Mortlake wrote:Whilst we're complaining, I'd also like to point out an inherent issue concerning the Noctis.
I tried running a Maze in one last week and it died within seconds. This is obviously wrong and should be fixed immediately.
Also, what's the point of even being able to put a plex in your cargohold? I hear people complaining about dying whilst autopiloting with them at certain specific gates and stations all the time, especially when they're flying rookie ships. These ships obviously need a buff and / or Thrashers and Tornados need to be rebalanced.
This game is crap because it's not coded correctly. CCP's HTLM sux.
+1 and also cloaky mwd trick removed for anything that isnt a cov ops
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1670
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Posted - 2016.03.03 19:52:37 -
[40] - Quote
I too demand the Noctis get a major buff to its drone bay/bandwidth so I can deploy 5 Gecko's at once.
The ship also needs the drone buff seen on the Procuror and Skiff.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Project.Mayhem.
1639
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Posted - 2016.03.04 10:53:00 -
[41] - Quote
Only tools die to gate camps. I can tell.
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Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
563
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Posted - 2016.03.04 12:58:33 -
[42] - Quote
Eugene Kerner wrote:Only tools die to gate camps. I can tell.
You obviously have not done much FW, the Good the Bad and the Ugly all die to gate camps. When a big FW fleet is up we will gate camp a whole system. Letting in prey only to seal off exits. Unless you have cloaks or safeties within the system you are going to be hunted/scanned down and die.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Project.Mayhem.
1639
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Posted - 2016.03.04 19:18:13 -
[43] - Quote
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Only tools die to gate camps. I can tell. You obviously have not done much FW, the Good the Bad and the Ugly all die to gate camps. When a big FW fleet is up we will gate camp a whole system. Letting in prey only to seal off exits. Unless you have cloaks or safeties within the system you are going to be hunted/scanned down and die.
Camping Gates was probably invented by us.
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Jacques d'Orleans
The Scope Gallente Federation
2651
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Posted - 2016.03.06 08:11:00 -
[44] - Quote
Eugene Kerner wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Only tools die to gate camps. I can tell. You obviously have not done much FW, the Good the Bad and the Ugly all die to gate camps. When a big FW fleet is up we will gate camp a whole system. Letting in prey only to seal off exits. Unless you have cloaks or safeties within the system you are going to be hunted/scanned down and die. Camping Gates was probably invented by us.
Sorry mate, but that was m0o back in the days
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
3662
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Posted - 2016.03.06 11:51:02 -
[45] - Quote
98040 wrote:I've been playing this game since 2003. That's 13 years for you, math genius. I know all the tricks.
Actually, you've been cowering in an NPC corp since 2006, so I doubt you've played Eve at all.
98040 wrote:Don't embarrass yourself.
You mean embarrass himself by talking like a particularly immature 12-year old?
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1678
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Posted - 2016.03.06 13:09:49 -
[46] - Quote
Wow.
Scumbags who don't even get out of their starter corp for 10 years don't even deserve to be allowed to post on the forums. Or do anything else, for that matter.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
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StonerPhReaK
Best Kept Frozen. Bad Intention
362
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Posted - 2016.03.06 13:44:04 -
[47] - Quote
Im starting to doubt that this even happened. Ive been to Jan thousands of times in my career and never once have i been targeted and shot at for no apparent reason. The residents there are super friendly and would have probably welcomed OP with open arms had he initiated a convo with anyone ongrid. Theres plenty of time too, considering the 30 seconds of free cloaking you get after jumping a gate.
Again, i doubt this even happened. Forum alt post. No killmails. Boring story. Lies of lengthy career yet has no knowledge of cloak mwd win button.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11100
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Posted - 2016.03.06 14:34:18 -
[48] - Quote
13 years in this game and you haven't figured out that posting and whining on an NPC alt (anywhere in the forums really, but especially in See and Pee) makes you look like an incredibly cowardly and petulant child? Seems like you need to lurk for another decade or so.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Project.Mayhem.
1641
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Posted - 2016.03.06 21:51:08 -
[49] - Quote
Jacques d'Orleans wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Only tools die to gate camps. I can tell. You obviously have not done much FW, the Good the Bad and the Ugly all die to gate camps. When a big FW fleet is up we will gate camp a whole system. Letting in prey only to seal off exits. Unless you have cloaks or safeties within the system you are going to be hunted/scanned down and die. Camping Gates was probably invented by us. Sorry mate, but that was m0o back in the days
Don-¦t know whats wrong with eve gate but TDG exists since 2003-08-21. m0o infact "invented" gate camping between Mara and Passari 2 months before that.
...but what can I say...where is m0o now? We are still here.
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Mobadder Thworst
Wiking Brigade The Devil's Warrior Alliance
900
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Posted - 2016.03.06 23:49:04 -
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You lost your destroyer in a place called "lowsec" and you have determined that there was inadequate security.
Clearly, this was a dev oversight.
There should be more warnings in place to keep people like you out of low.
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Trevor Dalech
We pooped on your lawn Resonance.
216
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Posted - 2016.03.07 04:11:16 -
[51] - Quote
Even the best of us (of which I am not one) die to camps occasionally. Part of the game, and reason for the rule: don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
My last loss to a camp I lost a 500m or so stratios. I congratulated the campers on littering the gate with so many cans, wrecks and corpses that not only was my stratios unable to cloak, but my frame rate dropped to nothing. I did NOT go to the forums crying that corpses needed to be nerfed. |
Areen Sassel
79
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Posted - 2016.03.07 04:58:12 -
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StonerPhReaK wrote:Theres plenty of time too, considering the 30 seconds of free cloaking you get after jumping a gate.
60 seconds, if you'll forgive me saying so. |
Jacques d'Orleans
2655
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Posted - 2016.03.07 09:21:08 -
[53] - Quote
Eugene Kerner wrote:Jacques d'Orleans wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Only tools die to gate camps. I can tell. You obviously have not done much FW, the Good the Bad and the Ugly all die to gate camps. When a big FW fleet is up we will gate camp a whole system. Letting in prey only to seal off exits. Unless you have cloaks or safeties within the system you are going to be hunted/scanned down and die. Camping Gates was probably invented by us. Sorry mate, but that was m0o back in the days Don-¦t know whats wrong with eve gate but TDG exists since 2003-08-21. m0o infact "invented" gate camping between Mara and Passari 2 months before that. ...but what can I say...where is m0o now? We are still here.
I know, i was just saying and no offense was intended.
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Smitty Uitra
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11
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Posted - 2016.03.07 09:57:52 -
[54] - Quote
98040 wrote:What efforts are being made to balance lowsec gate camping?
It is far too easy for pirate criminals to camp. These days all you need is a couple of frigate logi and you're good. WTF is that about?
It used to be that to solo tank a gate gun setup you needed uber skills and a wicked ship. Back in the day the only thing that could do it was a Rattlesnake. Now every pussie ship with a remote rep setup can sit on a station or a gate and interdict at will. If you're not traveling with advanced scouts, cloaked, or in a 3000 m/s ship, you're dead.
Pirating should be a real profession, but at least make them work against the game for it.
The imbalance is real - most people who are traveling intra-Empire are doing so as a solo pilot. If every .4 gate has a camp of some kind, the players who don't belong to large corps (think: small business) are just getting pulverized.
Way too easy. Incredibly one-dimensional.
Not my main. Who cares.
So I took some time the last few days and did some traveling through low. Hit some FW systems did a lot of jumping from high sec to low sec. Saw a lot of gatecamps. I didn't die. Got really close from a smart bombing camp. I really don't see what your issue is other than not planning ahead. Maybe you should make friends with the people that occupy the low sec you travel through so you don't have to make pointless posts about how things are unfair. I wouldn't want CCP seeing this and nerfing it the way they are about to nerf watchlists. |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
544
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Posted - 2016.03.07 10:33:42 -
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The list of ships that can EASILY avoid ANY LowSec gate camp includes, but is not limited to:
1: Any Frigate fit for sufficient agility to have a <2sec align time. This is possible pretty much when you create a character. 2: Any T3 Destroyer. 3: Any CovOps ship able to warp cloaked, this includes BLOCKADE RUNNERS. 4: Any ship fit with both a Cloak and a hull-appropriate sized MWD, as linked previously, this includes BATTLESHIPS if you can use the MWD/Cloak trick.
I've spent a fair bit of time camping the Nourvukaiken gate in Tama. A known gate-camp hotspot. I'm constantly amazed that we can be there for over an hour (and rolling drunk by that time) and people will still jump blingy ships through unscouted.
NOTE: I'm usually found in an Arty-Insta-Thrasher (with friends) on that gate. No prop mod. No tank. Just lock speed and damage mods. All you have to do to kill any or all of us is get a point on and survive long enough for the gate guns to do the damage for you.
We had a tackle Keres take us all out a while back. He was fit purely with points and tank. He tanked us while the gate guns destroyed us. One Keres, six dead Thrashers (already replaced, didn't want that Thrasher anyways).
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StonerPhReaK
Best Kept Frozen. Bad Intention
365
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Posted - 2016.03.07 23:16:09 -
[56] - Quote
Areen Sassel wrote:StonerPhReaK wrote:Theres plenty of time too, considering the 30 seconds of free cloaking you get after jumping a gate. 60 seconds, if you'll forgive me saying so.
I Stand corrected. Thanks M'lady.
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JacenSolo
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.03.08 01:47:21 -
[57] - Quote
98040 wrote:What efforts are being made to balance lowsec gate camping?
It is far too easy for pirate criminals to camp. These days all you need is a couple of frigate logi and you're good. WTF is that about?
It used to be that to solo tank a gate gun setup you needed uber skills and a wicked ship. Back in the day the only thing that could do it was a Rattlesnake. Now every pussie ship with a remote rep setup can sit on a station or a gate and interdict at will. If you're not traveling with advanced scouts, cloaked, or in a 3000 m/s ship, you're dead.
Pirating should be a real profession, but at least make them work against the game for it.
The imbalance is real - most people who are traveling intra-Empire are doing so as a solo pilot. If every .4 gate has a camp of some kind, the players who don't belong to large corps (think: small business) are just getting pulverized.
Way too easy. Incredibly one-dimensional.
Not my main. Who cares. I guess i would have to disagree. "back in the real day" you had to spend hour on end making bookmarks for your route to ensure you made it to the gate and not 15km away. Im not saying i like it but it is what it is. |
Professor Humbert
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
16
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Posted - 2016.03.08 07:11:43 -
[58] - Quote
Erm.. if you have a couple of logi frigs in your camp, it's not a solo camp. And if a job that one rattlesnake could do solo now requires a couple of logi ships, you can't say camping has become easier. |
Veik Hemah
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2016.03.11 13:54:03 -
[59] - Quote
There is a very easy way to break gatecamps in lowsec.
Drop a butt ton of supers and titans on them, usually does the trick. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Project.Mayhem.
1643
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Posted - 2016.03.15 11:42:26 -
[60] - Quote
Veik Hemah wrote:There is a very easy way to break gatecamps in lowsec.
Drop a butt ton of supers and titans on them, usually does the trick.
True. Come again...I suggest a different System than Hakonen next time though....
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98040
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2016.03.16 15:52:52 -
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I think the problem is to figure out WHAT is out of balance.
Piracy=
a) getting a gang of whatever ship you fancy and sitting on a gate in Empire space. No pilot will be able to tank 6:1, 8:1 - most can't even compete 2:1. The story of the kiting Keres is 1 of 1000, where the 999 before died.
So we're back to the blob-fest mechanics. If I can rally 10-15 Rifter pilots, I can be a pirate too. Rly? Tha'ts all it takes? How boring.
b) getting a gang of capitals and/or round-robin Logi and camping the undock point of low-sec stations. Rly? This is the pinnacle of your profession? To sit with 3-6 carriers or a dozen people on the undock point isn't a game, it's trout fishing in a stocked pond.
Still. Not. Impressed.
You guys need to work for a living.
For general travel purposes, most solo travel into low-sec is now out. We had a shuttle smartbombed and the pilot was instantly PK'd. That set him back 400m isk in implants. We had another pilot who lost his command ship returning from a low-sec mission where he solo'd a L5 mission only to lose his ship to the pirate gate camp waiting for him as he returned the 2 jumps back to station. YES he had a scout. They waited cloaked and hot dropped him. Gate response? Pathetic.
Maybe another way of putting this is that I have no problem saying GF to a group of pirates who gank me with a hot drop and a cloaked gang waiting patiently. That's tactically challenging, but hardly a fight. The fact that it's a virtual i-win for them is what the problem is. Empire space is supposed to afford some level of security in defense of traveling pilots. NO gate gun setup will disperse a camp of anything but the most weak ships. AND in no case is it capable of overcoming even modest logi support.
The ISSUE seems to be that you can have EITHER your BLOB or you can have your RR, but not both in Empire.
No matter which option you choose, GATE GUNS must be enhanced to make this style of game play more challenging.
The risk/reward quotient for low-sec gate camping and station piracy is severely out of balance. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2212
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Posted - 2016.03.16 16:09:40 -
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98040 wrote: So we're back to the blob-fest mechanics. If I can rally 10-15 Rifter pilots, I can be a pirate too. Rly? Tha'ts all it takes? How boring.
I like how you describe challenges which you have demonstrably failed to overcome as "boring". That is not the least bit disingenuous.
Quote:You guys need to work for a living.
Well, no, they don't need to, thanks to incompetent numpties such as yourself.
Quote: For general travel purposes, most solo travel into low-sec is now out. We had a shuttle smartbombed and the pilot was instantly PK'd. That set him back 400m isk in implants.
For a palty 400m isk, that guy just learned why he should d-scan his destination gate when he's flying a flimsy ship in low-sec with a flashy red in local. Can you really put a price on the long term value of such an education?
Quote:The ISSUE seems to be that you can have EITHER your BLOB or you can have your RR, but not both in Empire.
The issue is that you're bad at the game and, instead of recognizing that you're bad at the game and should work to improve, you want the game to be changed to accommodate your ineptitude.
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Rein Chelien
Nova Express Silent Requiem
31
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Posted - 2016.03.16 16:39:52 -
[63] - Quote
Ok, so this is super easy to resolve.
98040, when you see me online (oh sorry, watchlist got nerfed) come on down and I'll let you run a solo gate camp on a lowsec gate. I'll show you how to do it, and then you can see how easy/hard it actually is to camp. If you want, you can even bring a frigate for logi on a second screen.
Seriously, we'll put you on a gate in Rancer and you can easy button kills all day long for a day and have solid proof in the form of an actual killboard as to how simple it is to run a camp and not get dropped.
Deal?
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Catalytic morphisis
N3RDx Limited Expectations
126
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Posted - 2016.03.16 17:20:44 -
[64] - Quote
98040 wrote:Ralph, great that you got ass-raped for a change, but you lost one ship. How many ships and pods did you kill before you lost your one ship? Imbalance.
Disagree that the Tally of Kills/Losses is an effective way of managing balance, I go out solo in low sec most the time I'm online, and find that I always lose a single ship between killing(s). Does that in effect make me imbalanced? Should CCP Look to Nerf me and other solo PvP'ers too then?
Also although Gate camps are admittedly a mild irritant, they are so easily worked around, Maybe you need to adjust your play style to accomodate this.
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