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Citizen Smif Traumark Shadow Elite H Y E N A 30	Posted - 2011.12.16 14:05:00 - [1] - Quote Please remove this thread.
War Kitten Panda McLegion 372	Posted - 2011.12.16 14:11:00 - [2] - Quote Oh sure, bail on your thread. See if I respond to you again! This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine.
Dane El Daneco Inc. 8	Posted - 2011.12.16 14:21:00 - [3] - Quote This thread is sure to point out the wide range of peoples' opinions of what casual play is. You play a few hours a day. I play a few hours a week. Eve can be played casually but you miss out on a lot of what the game is about. I don't really have time to fleet up with other players. The logistics of getting everyone together just eats up too much time with my severely limited play time and scheduled events I can rarely justify penciling in time to play a video game. Most solo content in Eve is really, really bad. I ran missions for a while. Too repetitive and once I got into trading, the rewards seemed not worth the time. I tried mining. Even worse than missions in all respects with the added bonus of potentially getting a hulk suicide ganked that'll take a ridiculous amount of mining to replace. I tried exploration, slightly more interesting than missions but it got to the point where the rewards still weren't worth the time when compared to trading. I'd scan down the sites and then not bother running them. I could make vastly more money spending that time on trading activities and running sites wasn't exactly exciting. Being in low sec was really the only exciting part but even avoiding getting ganked gets stale after a while. In short Eve's solo game is pretty pathetic. Solo is what you often get stuck with when you're a casual player because the logistics of working with others usually means lots of waiting on said other players. If I hadn't got hooked on trading, I wouldn't still be playing. I delude myself with the fairy tale that once I reach that mythical future time with copious amounts of time to play video games, I'll have tons of isk to have fun with. The reality is I'm probably amassing this huge pile of isk and skills and won't do anything with it but print more isk. No you can't have my stuff. I like my fairy tale. EDIT: Hey! So much for an interesting discussion I suppose.
Citizen Smif Traumark Shadow Elite H Y E N A 30	Posted - 2011.12.16 14:25:00 - [4] - Quote War Kitten wrote: Oh sure, bail on your thread. See if I respond to you again! Haha, I was going to repost it somewhere else but decided against it when you 2 responded. Sorry about that ;)
Brooks Puuntai Nomadic Asylum KUGUTSUMEN. 318	Posted - 2011.12.16 14:26:00 - [5] - Quote No need to remove it. It is a interesting topic that does pertain to this section. Also its a lot better discussion then some of the other **** threads that populate GD.
Citizen Smif Traumark Shadow Elite H Y E N A 30	Posted - 2011.12.16 14:29:00 - [6] - Quote Dane El wrote: This thread is sure to point out the wide range of peoples' opinions of what casual play is. You play a few hours a day. I play a few hours a week. Eve can be played casually but you miss out on a lot of what the game is about. I don't really have time to fleet up with other players. The logistics of getting everyone together just eats up too much time with my severely limited play time and scheduled events I can rarely justify penciling in time to play a video game. Most solo content in Eve is really, really bad. I ran missions for a while. Too repetitive and once I got into trading, the rewards seemed not worth the time. I tried mining. Even worse than missions in all respects with the added bonus of potentially getting a hulk suicide ganked that'll take a ridiculous amount of mining to replace. I tried exploration, slightly more interesting than missions but it got to the point where the rewards still weren't worth the time when compared to trading. I'd scan down the sites and then not bother running them. I could make vastly more money spending that time on trading activities and running sites wasn't exactly exciting. Being in low sec was really the only exciting part but even avoiding getting ganked gets stale after a while. In short Eve's solo game is pretty pathetic. Solo is what you often get stuck with when you're a casual player because the logistics of working with others usually means lots of waiting on said other players. If I hadn't got hooked on trading, I wouldn't still be playing. I delude myself with the fairy tale that once I reach that mythical future time with copious amounts of time to play video games, I'll have tons of isk to have fun with. The reality is I'm probably amassing this huge pile of isk and skills and won't do anything with it but print more isk. No you can't have my stuff. I like my fairy tale. EDIT: Hey! So much for an interesting discussion I suppose. Yeah I agree with you with pretty much everything you said. As a casual player though, what would you want to have changed? A few hours a week is a very small amount of time for any MMO though so to try and make the game appeal to your demographic is no easy task.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard 408	Posted - 2011.12.16 14:51:00 - [7] - Quote There are a lot of opportunities for casual play. For PVE: If you're solo, missions are obvious, and exploration is great for "I've got two hours to kill tonight". Group PVE is harder on a "casual" basis: it usually requires a time investment to put together a group and get where you need to be. However, if you've got a group of casual gamers and you make some plans ahead of time, it's certainly possible to field a fleet of casual gamers to spend a couple of hours running incursions. For PVP: Lowsec is probably the most obvious way to go here. You can log in, prowl for a while, maybe get a few kills (or losses) and then log off. If any of your corpmates/friends in the area are active, you'd even have a fleet to work in. It's definitely harder to jump in and out of PVP quickly as you might hunt targets for longer than you have to play, but it can still be fun.
War Kitten Panda McLegion 374	Posted - 2011.12.16 15:04:00 - [8] - Quote Citizen Smif wrote: War Kitten wrote: Oh sure, bail on your thread. See if I respond to you again! Haha, I was going to repost it somewhere else but decided against it when you 2 responded. Sorry about that ;) :) Ok, then I'll resurrect my answer... I think most of Eve can be played casually. But if you want to be part of the political world in 0.0 or even a member of an alliance out there, you can easily be left behind if you're too casual. This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine.
ObieWan Kenobieie Machtpolitik Test Friends Please Ignore 0	Posted - 2011.12.16 15:25:00 - [9] - Quote what kills the casual gamer is: Time sinks. All the time sinks in the game that add nothing to the game at all. 1. Warping.. how much time have you wasted staring at the warp screen? Whats the point? 2. Fitting a ship with the current market. If I want to fit out a ship I have to run all over space finding the mods I need to fit out a ship. All the time traveling to 50 star gates and back to fit out a ship is a waste of time. Unless you only live in a trade-hub, you will need to travel to pick up some stupid mod for you're ship. There are tons of little time sinks in the game that kill my ability to play the game cause I'm just not un-employed enough to play this game. The time investment eve asks is ridiculous.
Citizen Smif Traumark Shadow Elite H Y E N A 32	Posted - 2011.12.16 15:31:00 - [10] - Quote ObieWan Kenobieie wrote: what kills the casual gamer is: Time sinks. All the time sinks in the game that add nothing to the game at all. 1. Warping.. how much time have you wasted staring at the warp screen? Whats the point? 2. Fitting a ship with the current market. If I want to fit out a ship I have to run all over space finding the mods I need to fit out a ship. All the time traveling to 50 star gates and back to fit out a ship is a waste of time. Unless you only live in a trade-hub, you will need to travel to pick up some stupid mod for you're ship. There are tons of little time sinks in the game that kill my ability to play the game cause I'm just not un-employed enough to play this game. The time investment eve asks is ridiculous. Nobody wants insta-warp.. The logistics of getting modules etc from one side of space to the other is something that keeps the market thriving and haulers a good income. I do agree that it is a huge time sink but there are ways to tackle it.. e.g. buy MORE than one of each module when you do and stark stockpiling ships, ammo and everything you need. There are plenty of great hauling services out there for people like me who cant haul, so just employ them. A bit of common sense would help you out with your problem me-thinks ;)

L'ouris Have Naught Subsidiaries 15	Posted - 2011.12.16 15:37:00 - [11] - Quote Citizen Smif wrote: ... Nobody wants insta-warp.. The logistics of getting modules etc from one side of space to the other is something that keeps the market thriving and haulers a good income. I do agree that it is a huge time sink but there are ways to tackle it.. e.g. buy MORE than one of each module when you do and stark stockpiling ships, ammo and everything you need. There are plenty of great hauling services out there for people like me who cant haul, so just employ them. A bit of common sense would help you out with your problem me-thinks ;) Confirming this. Buying ships and modules in bulk and paying someone to ferry them to my staging systems eliminated 90% of my timesink woes. Courier contracts are cheap to set up. Just make sure you set a high enough collateral.
Luba Cibre 0	Posted - 2011.12.16 15:40:00 - [12] - Quote The time sinks are that, what eve makes so special. Do not ******* touch them.
ObieWan Kenobieie Machtpolitik Test Friends Please Ignore 0	Posted - 2011.12.16 15:58:00 - [13] - Quote a casual gamer doesn't have the isk to buy in bulk.... i joined RVB with an alt and moved 100 of 1 of each race frigates and all the t1/t2 mods needed to fit those frigates...well most of them. I spent 800Million isk buying the T1 frigates and mods in Jita and moving them to the RVB system. I played for 2 weeks till I got bored and then forgot about the account for a year and a half. I just recently logged in and sold all the frigates/mods for 600Million isk. I've got isk to blow in the game, I don't care, but the casual gamer doesn't have isk like that. Not everyone has tens of billions of isk to play with. I don't see a casual gamer spending 500million on mods at a time. Where is he getting that kind of isk from? We are talking casual gamer here, not veteran player with multi accounts. I can casually make a billion or two a week in game logging in 1 hour or so a day but I know what I'm doing and have the account(s) and experience/skill points, to do so. Of all the expansions since i've played this game, 1 change i noticed was the removal of the session change to change ships in the station. That was miserable for the longest time and adds nothing at all the the game what so ever...... You remember docking and staring at you're screen for ever waiting to change ships????? F-.
Citizen Smif Traumark Shadow Elite H Y E N A 32	Posted - 2011.12.16 16:04:00 - [14] - Quote ObieWan Kenobieie wrote: a casual gamer doesn't have the isk to buy in bulk.... i joined RVB with an alt and moved 100 of 1 of each race frigates and all the t1/t2 mods needed to fit those frigates...well most of them. I spent 800Million isk buying the T1 frigates and mods in Jita and moving them to the RVB system. I played for 2 weeks till I got bored and then forgot about the account for a year and a half. I just recently logged in and sold all the frigates/mods for 600Million isk. I've got isk to blow in the game, I don't care, but the casual gamer doesn't have isk like that. Not everyone has tens of billions of isk to play with. I don't see a casual gamer spending 500million on mods at a time. Where is he getting that kind of isk from? We are talking casual gamer here, not veteran player with multi accounts. I can casually make a billion or two a week in game logging in 1 hour or so a day but I know what I'm doing and have the account(s) and experience/skill points, to do so. That's the extreme example though.. the rule "fly what you can afford to lose" still applies to casual players. Newbies aren't expected bulk, so until a player has a constant stream of income like incursions buying in quantities like that just isn't feasible. Once the player has a good source of income then he can afford to bulk buy, even if it was just like 10 ships (still cuts down travel a lot.) But the problem isn't with travel, it's with meaningful content for casual players.. IMO improving the accessibility of WH space and Null (neither of which a casual player can even really go in to) would help a lot. Variety is good but players who can only log in for a few hours are severely limited in their options beyond high/low sec activities.
L'ouris Have Naught Subsidiaries 16	Posted - 2011.12.16 16:07:00 - [15] - Quote ObieWan Kenobieie wrote: a casual gamer doesn't have the isk to buy in bulk.... i joined RVB with an alt and moved 100 of 1 of each race frigates and all the t1/t2 mods needed to fit those frigates...well most of them. A Casual player really doesn't need 100 of each race's frigates with 100 set of fitting mods in one go either now does he? also RvB is pretty high up there on ship attrition if the Dev blog was accurate so not a good baseline. I'd guess that 20 ship hulls and fittings would still qualify as worth buying and getting freighted about. PVE you'd probably be able to get away with 3-4 I'm guessing? the point was there are other options beyond jumping for 20-30 minutes just to get the high slot fittings for your ship everytime it blows up.
Ocih Space Mermaids 14	Posted - 2011.12.16 16:10:00 - [16] - Quote EVE is very casual friendly. Just don't take all your advice from the hard core Fanboi's. Play your EVE Account, not your char. Skill up all 3 chars in one shhip, different racials, unique content. A miner, a High sec PvE char and a winmatar for Huginn low sec. They laugh at sentry guns and can do quite well in low sec. If you move them in to null, they have use. If you can't find the time to PvP, log in the high Sec PvE char and rat in the belts for an hr. You won't get filthy rich but back to chasing the hard core fanboi's. Do you need to be filthy rich to play casual? The rat race can kill your game if you let it. Not if you don't.
Ghoest 28	Posted - 2011.12.16 16:16:00 - [17] - Quote This issue was a big deal to CCP for a while and they srated dumbing down the game in a quest to get more customers. Then they realized that many people play EVE for the challenge and complexity and they were actually turning away the most involved players. Now they are removing needless complexity when they can(like interface issues) but they have stopped trying to appeal to players who want brain dead game play. Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Disdaine University of Caille Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.12.16 16:19:00 - [18] - Quote In some ways its very supportive. Look at the skill training system. No more endless grinding on mobs or quests to raise your skills, just log in during your free time and queue them up. A lot of isk to be made through industry and trading which doesn't involve hours in front of the screen. On the other hand there's the steep learning curve. Casual players lacking the knowledge to avoid suicide ganks and corp scams. How to fit their ships appropriately. I could never imagine playing eve without constantly referring to outside sources of information. Battleclinic, dotlan, evewho, wikis, evemon, eft....
Citizen Smif Traumark Shadow Elite H Y E N A 32	Posted - 2011.12.16 16:19:00 - [19] - Quote Ghoest wrote: This issue was a big deal to CCP for a while and they srated dumbing down the game in a quest to get more customers. Then they realized that many people play EVE for the challenge and complexity and they were actually turning away the most involved players. Now they are removing needless complexity when they can(like interface issues) but they have stopped trying to appeal to players who want brain dead game play. Agreed. Casual doesn't necessarily mean a dumber crowd though. I can't play a lot because I have work etc, but the complexity of EVE is what attracted me to it instead of an MMO like WoW for example.
Schnoo The Schnoo 34	Posted - 2011.12.16 16:35:00 - [20] - Quote My suggestion is incursions and FW/RvB pvp (casual, nearly always capable of finding targets and so on). Once you get started with incursions, it should be easy and fast to find groups if you play in prime times, you do need a good ship though (500mil~ for T3s). At least, that's what I did, left a high sec corp and created my own 1 member corp which joins FW on odd weeks - high sec wars that have one fight per week but force you to be docked all the time suck balls (can't run incursions when in war, and high sec L4s while constantly DScaning isn't worth it). Thus I can easily earn content in groups (fun and profitable ISK/h) and PVP when I want in FW (mostly solo but group fights, small and large can happen).

Leisen Interrobang Inc. 2	Posted - 2011.12.16 16:38:00 - [21] - Quote Hell no.
baltec1 248	Posted - 2011.12.16 16:43:00 - [22] - Quote Nothing needs to be changed.
ObieWan Kenobieie Machtpolitik Test Friends Please Ignore 0	Posted - 2011.12.16 16:48:00 - [23] - Quote I heard something about ccp linking the fitting window to the eve market or something. something about an option where you can autobuy everything in the fitting window from the market...this can work if you are docked in dodixie/jita/rens/oursalurt/etc and have you're market filter set to "in station" only. You are still "SOL" if you aren't in jita 4 station. I would like to have NPC haulers in game that deliver mods to you for a fee. These haulers won't hurt market haulers who buy low in jita and rip you off in you're mission hub. The npc hauler would be limited to the region and/or 8 jumps etc. (whatever) I'd also like npc haulers who would haul ore for you're miner main character in high sec so you don't have to have a second account just to haul ore in a badger 2. Ya sure.....you COULD ask a corpmate to haul for you ..but you can crap in one hand and hope in the other and see which hand fills up faster..... The redfrog (?) and various market hauler bots would still make their tens of millions. Making the game complex is great, there is nothing complex about time sinks. There is nothing complex about: warp to 0/jump/warp to 0/jumpwarp to 0/jumpwarp to 0/jumpwarp to 0/jumpwarp to 0/jump.......Dock/put comic books, mountain dew in cargo hold undock and...warp to 0/jumpwarp to 0/jumpwarp to 0/jump/jumpwarp to 0/jumpwarp to 0/jump/jumpwarp to 0/jumpwarp to 0/jump dock.
Camios Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 26	Posted - 2011.12.16 17:05:00 - [24] - Quote I think that EVE is suitable for casual play, but only if you can enjoy the casual content that it offers. The problem is that "casual" usually means "solo", but it just depends on your ability, and will, to interact with other people. Once you can join a good corp, or a good alliance with fleets running every night, it's really easy to get into the action even with little time to spare. If you can't/don't want to find a group that accepts you and your playtime, then you have to play solo, and this might be the problem... but then the question becomes "Do you think EVE is supportive of solo play?". I think yes, there are things to do for the solo player, it just depends on you if you find them enjoyable or not.
Karthwritte Darthrin Storm Enterprise Drunken Capsuleers 1	Posted - 2011.12.16 17:08:00 - [25] - Quote EVE is hardly casual. When you go casual, isk start blowing up
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 309	Posted - 2011.12.16 17:23:00 - [26] - Quote Eve is not in any way supportive of casual players, being a game by and for neckbeards and stay-at-home sons. It's even harder on "lone wolves", and may eventually evolve to a game mechanic whereby undocking when not a member of a 0.0 corporation causes ship and capsule to explode in an instant. And THAT is what makes it all the more challenging. So I say once more as a casual player and lone wolf: "bring the pain, CCP". You see, there are people who see a game mechanic or an intent, and totally skew the approach to it for their own terms, such as killmail horing, griefing, e-peenery, semi-autistic emoraging, and the like. CCP does nothing about that. "It's a sandbox" is the excuse-for-all mantra. So be it. On those lines I will take their forced group play game, and play it alone, no matter what they do. The funny part is that the very things CCP does to appease the existing playerbase of ganktards, carebears, 0.0 lordlings, ISKaholoics, and killmail addicts, actually make for little nooks and crannies in which a solo/casual player and survive. And the more they try to appease and force group play, the more little nooks and crannies they create. If this game was "WoW'ed up", it would truly suck, but the very kind of player they are openly against and do nothing to protect, when they find their own goals not related to "how many people can I grief" or "how much ISK can I accumulate and not use", get a better game from it. IF you want to be an ISKaholic, or a KM addict, you are fodder either way. But if you forget the way the game is advertised, and pay no attention to the ganktards and carebears when they try to tell you how this game "should" be played, you will find your own goals and your own game and a way to achieve those goals and to hell with the intent of the game and who says what. Sandbox? Indeed. But even those screaming "it's a sandbox!", having invested so much of their ego into the way they play their game that turns out to be anti-climatic will scream it with a penchant for hating it as much as they claim it is hated by those they claim can't handle it. To me, it's like watching the passengers of a short bus try to take control of the wheel while the whole thing goes over a cliff. It's funny and tragic but at least the windows are clean.
MadMuppet 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2011.12.16 17:23:00 - [27] - Quote I play casually now, down from three accounts where I was going to make my own industrial corp, and there are a lot of things that you can do, but you are pigeon-holed in many respects. These days I have a base wallet amount that is my 'grinding point' and I have a base fleet of ships for 'grinding isk'. Once I get above the grind point the additional isk is currently going to lo-sec PVP and null/WH exploration. I also go casual mining for ammo materials or some trade operations. I still have some high-sec PI running since it is still profitable even with the higher taxes. I have no dreams of being a master FC or CEO. Running out to null actually does have interest to me, but i don't know if my casual play style would be of any interest to a corp/alliance out there, so yeah, I'm sort of plateaued game-wise until I make this toon more of a jack-of-all-trades type. From a gameplay stance, I don't know what you could really change, whatever concessions are made to improve casual play are only going to make the hard-core players (legitimate or not) that much more powerful. -Mad Never trust a soldier wearing velcroed insignia While not perfect, I find the font at 13 pt and scaling at 90% to be pretty good, and overall better than the old font.-á
Kyt Thrace Lightspeed Enterprises Tactical Narcotics Team 12	Posted - 2011.12.16 17:34:00 - [28] - Quote Eve-Online: MASSIVE MULTI-PLAYER ONLINE GAME (MMO) If I were to play this game solo, then I would have quit after the trial period was up. This game is not meant to be a solo player game. :P Some people do it & seem to have fun, but it is a sandbox game so more power to those that can make it a solo game. Causal gaming, its not really & probably a waste of your money if that is how you play. Go play other games. So, overall I hope CCP does nothing to encourage solo or casual gaming in EVE, but instead keeps putting more focus on group MMO experiences.
Esu Nahalas Yote Patrol 2	Posted - 2011.12.16 17:38:00 - [29] - Quote If you are a casual player, and worried about EVE being for casual players (or not), then you are not a casual player.
Citizen Smif Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 33	Posted - 2011.12.16 22:20:00 - [30] - Quote Esu Nahalas wrote: If you are a casual player, and worried about EVE being for casual players (or not), then you are not a casual player. Haha, that is a fair comment. I'm not concerned about it, I was merely just posing the question whether it is supportive of casual players or not.



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