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Count TaSessine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.07 15:47:00 - [1] We are Caldari by birth and culture. We treasure the values of our native lifestyle. We believe in the rewards of commerce, hard work and diligence. The industrial supremacy of the Caldari State worlds are unrivalled in Eve and our eight megacorporations the most powerful in the galaxy. No one can stand up to us in business or otherwise. But competition among us is fierce. The waters of our homemarkets are red with blood spilled in the fierce competition between our corporations. Margins are tight, profit counted in single digits percentages. The Syndicate [ISS] is on its way to become a true Caldari State megacorporation, but instead of trying to make it on the fierce, cut throat homemarkets, we have ventured out, on the blue oceans of deep space business. The water out here is clear with opportunity and possibilities. As a business strategy, a non-confrontational strategy like ours is always riskier than conventional strategies which are molded to compete in fixed markets. We believe our choice is more profitable in the long term. We aim to become the ninth of the great corporations that make up the Caldari State. In the Syndicate deep space colonies we realise our potential. WeÆll help you realise yours. The Syndicate colonies beckon. We have access to more than ten constellations, 100Æs of asteroid belts with arkonor and bistot, the most valuable ore in the known galaxy. All here for the taking. Join the Syndicate on the frontier today. Links: Description of the Syndicate History of the Syndicate Recruitment thread Chairman, ISS
Maze La'Zie Caldari Technology La'Zie	Posted - 2007.02.07 15:58:00 - [2] Edited by: Maze La''Zie on 07/02/2007 15:55:21 That is a grand claim indeed sir. While I believe that the Eight are not immune to further competition - indeed the State thrives on such inter-corporation conflict - I would be wary of claiming to be the Ninth until you have a seat on the CEP. (Edited for spelling) ___________________ Chief Scientific Officer Technology La'Zie Author of The End
Nooey Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.07 16:17:00 - [3] Originally by: Count TaSessine We aim to become the ninth of the great corporations that make up the Caldari State. Interesting comment, quite telling. You seem to see the State as many do, only the CEP board member Corps as truly constituting it. Most interesting... There is an unmistakably Caldari flavour to the ISS indeed, yet other things undermine your stated goal somewhat. What experience does ISS have of dealing with non-capsuleer communities and issues? That is an important question that must be answered, if your stated goals here are genuine. I've more I'd say, but I'm not sure it's worth the time. Perhaps you could elaborate a little further and prove this is more than just a recruitment stunt.
Empyre ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.07 16:19:00 - [4] Edited by: Empyre on 07/02/2007 16:15:52 Originally by: Maze La'Zie That is a grand claim indeed sir. While I believe that the Eight are not immune to further competition - indeed the State thrives on such inter-corporation conflict - I would be wary of claiming to be the Ninth until you have a seat on the CEP. (Edited for spelling) Originally by: Count TaSessine We aim to become the ninth of the great corporations that make up the Caldari State. In the Syndicate deep space colonies we realise our potential. People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue.
Ugleb Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.07 17:26:00 - [5] Edited by: Ugleb on 07/02/2007 17:23:02 Originally by: Nooey What experience does ISS have of dealing with non-capsuleer communities and issues? That is an important question that must be answered, if your stated goals here are genuine. One could argue that the ISS have the potential to become the megacorporation that represents the State's expanding and increasingly developing capsuleer community. Each of the other corporations are rooted more in conventional markets where as ISS are themselves capsuleers. It's an interesting possibility, one that could redefine Caldari politics should they be successful. Good luck to you ISS, may you bring a unique perspective back to your people.
Irias Salo Caldari The Star Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.07 17:53:00 - [6] An interesting aim, and an interesting recruitment ad. Originally by: Ginger. There is no roleplay, there is only EVE
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.07 17:53:00 - [7] Interesting. DOes ISS realize the magnitude of their goal? The Megacorps, while no friends to each other, will fight along side them against any invading force, should you ever become a Megacorp, you would be required to assist with any issues in established State space, and no doubt you would like the assistance of the current Megacorps in the lawless space which you would be looking to claim (for the Caldari State). It is unlikely your organization would be considered for such a position until it has demonstrated to the CEP that you are indeed worthy of being a full addition of the State, and I do not think that having non-Caldari CEOs, directors, or board members, will help. You would also have to look for the good of the State, not simply the pod-pilots who have invested in you, otherwise the CEP will likely never even listen to you. I will have to watch ISS with interest now, and I'm sure that when the Federation's old habits resurface, ISS will have no problem dispatching the ISSN, and other forces, to join in others in dealing with the situation. I trust this also means you view the Guristas and their friends, as enemies of ISS to be killed on sight? Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Rjak Teken'duis Caldari Teken'duis Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.02.07 18:02:00 - [8] Lt. Cmdr Zenobia brings up some excellent points, many of which were going through my own mind. I am interested in seeing how ISS responds. --- Rjak Teken'duis
Able Citizen Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.07 18:14:00 - [9] The nationalist slant to your announcement, Count, is somewhat troubling. As a previous investor (ISS Borealis), it was ISS's independence that attracted me to the idea and spurred me on to lay out isk for shares. Developing markets on the frontier is a worthy and noble cause, in my opinion. Now ISS is putting a spotlight on its Caldari ties and seeks to graft themselves into the State? Say it ain't so... Why limit ISS's potential by alienating those who would otherwise support your venture but want nothing to do with State machine bureaucracy?
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.08 02:01:00 - [10] Originally by: Able Citizen Why limit ISS's potential by alienating those who would otherwise support your venture but want nothing to do with State machine bureaucracy? Because they know that if they were to be accepted by the State as a ninth megacorp, it would open them to a whole knew world of possibilities. ISS controlled space would become a recognized part of the Caldari State, and possibly become CONCORD-protected as well. This would give ISS's assets protection and backing unlike anything they have ever known, and the State would have the ability (should it choose so) to invest capital into projects which could enhance the wealth, technology and progress of the State. You see, something that some people fail to realize, is that organization and a little self-sacrifice yields far greater gains for all involved, than everyone working simply for their own interest. It is not mere coincidence that the state's power has grown at a rate that the Amarr, Gallente, and Minmatar cannot keep up with. Only a fool thinks that by joining in with others that they limit themselves, when in reality they become part of something larger than themselves, and they can realize their true potential. However, ISS has many questions they will have to answer, once they have done so, the CEP may agree to listen to their request. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai	Posted - 2007.02.08 02:24:00 - [11] How very interesting. This will definitely warrent more attention. ----- results may vary
Nooey Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.08 04:51:00 - [12] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia You see, something that some people fail to realize, is that organization and a little self-sacrifice yields far greater gains for all involved, than everyone working simply for their own interest. It is not mere coincidence that the state's power has grown at a rate that the Amarr, Gallente, and Minmatar cannot keep up with. Only a fool thinks that by joining in with others that they limit themselves, when in reality they become part of something larger than themselves, and they can realize their true potential. Wise words indeed, Mr Zenobia. Well said.
Packtu'sa Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.08 05:40:00 - [13] My own corporation was founded upon the basic principals of capitalism which I garnered from my education with the Science and Trade Institute, as a business major. Looking upon the Syndicate from the exterior, I saw an organization much like the State itself, and so I petitioned my corporation for membership. My corporation was promptly accepted. As a Caldari executive, I would support the Syndicate's movement towards reunification with its Caldari roots; although I would be wary. Many corporations which make up the Syndicate are tainted by liberal ideals presented by the Gallente, and this could injure the CEP's view of ISS--not to mention the Caldari people. If Syndicate holdings were to be under the protection of the State, and perhaps even secured for the responsible public by CONCORD and the DED, the ideals upon which the Syndicate exists would be made far more accessible. Operating within the Syndicate is difficult; given only self-provided security in deep space, corporations struggle to survive. If security were eliminated as a complication, even fiercer competition would rage within. Be that as it may, the Syndicate as it presently exists is an impressive opportunity. Life within is dangerous, but infinitely more rewarding than the stifled cribs of Empire. If you are apt to embrace capitalist ideals, join the Syndicate. Packtu'sa Founder/CEO Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp [NCIC]
Total Domination The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.02.08 09:33:00 - [14] You might have a large corporation but to claim that ISS is now a mega corporation to rival those of the great Caldari State is laughable. You have no loyalty to the State, working with our enemies. You go against everything the Caldari stand for. I hope your 'caravan fleets' burn just as your navy did in curse.
skallszy	Posted - 2007.02.08 09:34:00 - [15] Very interesting indeed. I wish you all good luck in your adventures. I hope you will be able to live up to the big responsibility being a megacorp. Good luck from the Patriot Society.
Clatita Minmatar United Warriors Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.08 10:20:00 - [16] Good luck ISS. Your proved once you can achieve what no one else has achieved before and i am sure you can do it again. And to the others. Start joining :P. It is a pleasure fighting at their side.
Count TaSessine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.08 14:17:00 - [17] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Interesting. DOes ISS realize the magnitude of their goal? The Megacorps, while no friends to each other, will fight along side them against any invading force, should you ever become a Megacorp, you would be required to assist with any issues in established State space, and no doubt you would like the assistance of the current Megacorps in the lawless space which you would be looking to claim (for the Caldari State). It is unlikely your organization would be considered for such a position until it has demonstrated to the CEP that you are indeed worthy of being a full addition of the State, and I do not think that having non-Caldari CEOs, directors, or board members, will help. You would also have to look for the good of the State, not simply the pod-pilots who have invested in you, otherwise the CEP will likely never even listen to you. I will have to watch ISS with interest now, and I'm sure that when the Federation's old habits resurface, ISS will have no problem dispatching the ISSN, and other forces, to join in others in dealing with the situation. I trust this also means you view the Guristas and their friends, as enemies of ISS to be killed on sight? Commander Zenobia, We are fully aware of the magitude of our ambitions. We have worked diligently towards earning this recognition for years now and us stating this publicly, at this time, is an expression that we feel the time is right for a formal recognition. Have no doubt: Should the state, the CEP, call for assistance against the Federation, or other threats against the Caldari State, we will naturally dispatch our fleet and assist anyway we can, alongside all the other patriotic Caldari corporations. All enemies of the Caldari State are our enemies, even to the point of taking the Syndicate battlefleet to empire space. As for the racial origins of some of our board members and directors, we beg for understanding. Life outside the established borders of the State is difficult. We have to draw on the ressources available, be that natural or human ressources. This means we sometimes turn a blind eye when we recruit talent of dubious origin. To answer your concerns regarding the way we manage the interests of the shareholders who have invested in our company: it is just business. The political framework that the State offers the megacorporations is by definition far more important, but the two are not mutually exclusive. Not by a long shot. We will support the CEP in whatever political and military goals this institution sets for itself. We will go further than that. We open our space to Caldari citizens from all corporations. By this we mean that should your corporation, and for this you wouldn't even have to join the Syndicate, wish to partake in the riches of lawless space and lend a hand towards the colonization, you would be most welcome with us, for a limited period of time. But be aware that times are difficult in deep space - as we speak we are feverishly preparing our colonies for invasion by hordes of insurgents who defy the political authority of the State and the national alliance who claim ownership of these regions of space. Chairman, ISS
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.08 14:41:00 - [18] Mr. TaSessine, what's the ISS's opinion on slavery? I believe the State considers it a business practice but one that should be kept in the Amarr Empire. Just curious. "But here is the smell of the blood still and all the perfumes of Khanid will not sweeten this little rose"
Count TaSessine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.08 14:43:00 - [19] Originally by: Able Citizen The nationalist slant to your announcement, Count, is somewhat troubling. As a previous investor (ISS Borealis), it was ISS's independence that attracted me to the idea and spurred me on to lay out isk for shares. Developing markets on the frontier is a worthy and noble cause, in my opinion. Now ISS is putting a spotlight on its Caldari ties and seeks to graft themselves into the State? Say it ain't so... Why limit ISS's potential by alienating those who would otherwise support your venture but want nothing to do with State machine bureaucracy? Nationalist slant? I am Caldari. We have always been all about business. There is no denying that. In deep space, we have always counted Jericho Fraction among our friends. We have shared interest in open space: you for ideological reasons, and for us, open space promote commerce. Commerce is life. Chairman, ISS
Atandros Gallente Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.08 14:58:00 - [20] Originally by: Count TaSessine Originally by: Able Citizen The nationalist slant to your announcement, Count, is somewhat troubling. As a previous investor (ISS Borealis), it was ISS's independence that attracted me to the idea and spurred me on to lay out isk for shares. Developing markets on the frontier is a worthy and noble cause, in my opinion. Now ISS is putting a spotlight on its Caldari ties and seeks to graft themselves into the State? Say it ain't so... Why limit ISS's potential by alienating those who would otherwise support your venture but want nothing to do with State machine bureaucracy? Nationalist slant? I am Caldari. We have always been all about business. There is no denying that. You've certainly always been all about business, but you have only now declared alignment with the State as a political entity and vowed subservience to the CEP. That changes the character of ISS significantly. -------
Count TaSessine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.08 15:05:00 - [21] If affirming our heritage and our ambition to become a recognized member of the CEP alienates the Star Fraction, so be it. Chairman, ISS
Shintoko Akahoshi Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.08 15:37:00 - [22] Declarations of support for the State aside, ISS is an interesting example of how abandoning "established" markets and practices can create an incredible opportunity for economic growth. When you look at the history of all the eight megacorporations, you'll see similar early risk taking that led to their growth. Sure, ISS might not rival the megacorporations right now, but they're certainly a corporation to watch. Omerta Syndicate Biotechnical Research
Naphtalia Caldari The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.02.08 16:19:00 - [23] Edited by: Naphtalia on 08/02/2007 16:16:25 We have always admired the perceived wish of the ISS to break free from the state to venture and create space where CONCORD has no control in the outer reaches. I always saw the ISS more like the Guristas than the Loyalist organisations, and had a warm place in my heart for them. This recent news troubles us and proves the wishes of the state to venture even further and prohibit free business men and women in their trade by uplaying arbitrary law not based on Caldari values. You don't only alienate yourself from the Fraction but also from any other free thinking organisation in the outer areas of space. Nothing more then CONCORD lapdogs begging for other people to take care of them for them. This ISS, is the worse mistake you could ever have made, and another mistake you made without asking your shareholders for advise. You chose your loyalties, now you will reap what you sow. recruitment
Tatsue Nuko Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.08 16:32:00 - [24] Originally by: Naphtalia This ISS, is the worse mistake you could ever have made, and another mistake you made without asking your shareholders for advise. This is an interesting and very pertinent point. Originally by: Naphtalia You chose your loyalties, now you will reap what you sow. Indeed so.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.08 19:00:00 - [25] Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 08/02/2007 18:59:03 Originally by: Count TaSessine In deep space, we have always counted Jericho Fraction among our friends. We have shared interest in open space: you for ideological reasons, and for us, open space promote commerce. Commerce is life. Since the inception of ISS we have maintained cordial relations and many of our members have been investors. I see no reason why this should change if the ISS remains committed to open space, recognises the independence of others and does not fall prey to gross nationalism and crude statism. Originally by: Count TaSessine If affirming our heritage and our ambition to become a recognized member of the CEP alienates the Star Fraction, so be it. In fact, I do not believe that it necessarily would result in such an alienation. I believe there is an opportunity here for the ISS to restore the principles of openness, free trade and fair exchange to the Caldari. You should not fall into the trap of going on bended knee to the CEP and trying to conform to their policies simply to gain admittance. If the ISS becomes potent enough and influential enough then it will gain its place. It need not compromise on its principles to achieve this. Do not listen to the siren song of the nationalists who would have you defend not the principles of free trade but rather the status quo of the Caldari State. Today, the State is xenophobic and you've seen the racism of the nationalist paramilitaries in the carping complaints that you have non-Caldari in positions of power. Today, the State suppresses free exchange of technology and knowledge as attested in recent news items. Today, the State's true and only citizens, the Megacorporations themselves, suppress workers who seek their proper due in exchange for their labour. The ISS could work to change this, indeed you represent yourself as potentially working to change this, to return the values of the frontier, exploration and free movement to the Caldari. The Star Fraction has no desire to enter into conflict with the ISS, particularly given our longstanding friendships. We would regret the ISS becoming a tool of those who currently run the machine that is the State and therefore a force for stasis rather than fulfilling what would be a great destiny: that of being a force for change. What it is to be Caldari is not defined by the State, the CEP or even the Megacorporations. It is, surely, defined by the actions of those who are Caldari and hold to the true heritage of the Caldari: freedom and independence. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Recruitment
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.08 19:11:00 - [26] While I am not exactly friendly to ISS, this latest venture may be worth watching. That pirates and anarchists are suddenly offended by the choices of ISS is hardly suprising. The parties in question offer only lip service in support of any cause other than their own rabid self interest. Building has always been more difficult than destroying. This is a lesson they choose to ignore.
Father Abel Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.08 20:21:00 - [27] Quote: What it is to be Caldari is not defined by the State, the CEP or even the Megacorporations. It is, surely, defined by the actions of those who are Caldari and hold to the true heritage of the Caldari: freedom and independence. I don't see where you get off talking about Caldari heritage. You are in no position to define my people as you please. Our heritage does not have freedom or independence, in the individualistic sense, in mind. We have been, since our Raata forebears, a meritocratic people who obey the strongest and the wisest. They lead us and we follow. Our sense of purpose does not come from the bottom up but from the top down. This was true before we left our cradle and re-emerged in space. It is true now. We have norms. Those who are disciplined, who conform to our norms are true citizens. Those who cannot fall in line are cast aside. Personal freedom, independence, has no place in our society. If ISS wants to become one of those who lead, one of those whom we follow, then they must prove themselves the strongest and the wisest. If they are able, then becoming one of the recognized megacorporations is only a matter of course. _____________________ Father Abel - Lieutenant Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive "Private property makes a free man a free man."
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.08 20:40:00 - [28] Originally by: Father Abel I don't see where you get off talking about Caldari heritage. You are in no position to define my people as you please. I simply stated that I believe that what it is to be Caldari is defined by those who act in accordance with what I see as the true Caldari heritage. You are of course free to disagree with me about what that is but unless there is some special reason I should not discuss matters Caldari, I will continue to do so. Quote: Our heritage does not have freedom or independence, in the individualistic sense, in mind. We have been, since our Raata forebears, a meritocratic people who obey the strongest and the wisest. They lead us and we follow. Our sense of purpose does not come from the bottom up but from the top down. This was true before we left our cradle and re-emerged in space. It is true now. We have norms. Those who are disciplined, who conform to our norms are true citizens. Those who cannot fall in line are cast aside. Personal freedom, independence, has no place in our society. Thank you for this very clear statement of the nationalist and statist view of what it is to be Caldari. It is my hope that the ISS will not follow this repressive vision and, rather, carve out a place for themselves based on their view of what it is to be Caldari, a view they have already indicated has been informed to date by a desire for openness and independence of action. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Recruitment
Father Abel Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.09 01:15:00 - [29] Quote: I simply stated that I believe that what it is to be Caldari is defined by those who act in accordance with what I see as the true Caldari heritage. You are of course free to disagree with me about what that is but unless there is some special reason I should not discuss matters Caldari, I will continue to do so. You can speak in normative terms, spouting as much rubbish about how Caldari society "should" be as you desire. But your previous message wasn't normative, it was descriptive. And your description was unquestionably false. This matter isn't open to subjective interpretation. Something either is or it isn't. I was merely correcting your mistake. This is especially the case with cultures like the Caldari and the Matari, pain me though it may to make the comparison, because we are exceptionally custom-driven. Even the mega-corporations who hold authoritarian power over us give considerable deference to these customs. So really, the culture you're trying to pin with various (false) characteristics is still a living breathing creature. And we, who live both within said creature and sustain it, are qualified to speak about it. While you ... are not. But I do find it amusing that for someone who considers his philosophies an "evolution" (the next step) in human development, you sure are eager to point out how each society's true "heritage" (the last step) really coincides with your own values and not ours. It sounds like a poor sales pitch. One would think "cutting-edge" ideas would sell themselves as new and exciting, not as old and comfortable. Well, that's none of my business, anyway. _____________________ Father Abel - Lieutenant Caldari Independent Navy Reserve "Private property makes a free man a free man."
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.09 01:24:00 - [30] Being Caldari isn't tied to being a part of the State, Father Abel. I know that more than anyone. I'd just like to wish good fortune to ISS and hope the future brings you free and stable enterprise.

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