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Haliaeetus Albicilla
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.03.06 16:47:03 -
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+ 1 googolplex @ OP
Six hours waiting inside outpost. Oh no, they have one more ship than we have! We do not undock.
I recently created new character, did the career training mission for exploration and took the exploration ship. Little of waiting and I found a wormhole. Went into 0.0. Then jumped back for about 70 jumps.
I did not see anyone at the gates. Couple bubbles. No worries.
****
I did another experiment. I grabbed mining ship. Yes. The Venture.
I went into lowsec nearby Dodixie.
I was mining. And absolutely everyone tried to shoot me! The pirates! The FW! NPC's! And even a gangbaitskiff tried to shoot my Venture.
It did not pay out much, but I had the best time in years in this game.
****
So conclusion.
1) Create LOWsec mining corporation
2) Set your base next to Dodixie, Jita or Amarr
3) Everyone want to shoot your miners
4) Have fun while defending your miners.
*** CCP ADD ABCM ORES TO LOWSEC!!! JUSTT SMALL QUANTITY WOULD BE NICE *** |
Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
114
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Posted - 2016.03.06 16:55:58 -
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Buy a hulk and mine some ore.
PvP will happen  |
Forum Toon
State War Academy
Caldari State
66
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Posted - 2016.03.06 17:06:13 -
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Xavier Liche wrote:Buy a hulk and mine some ore. PvP will happen
you meant retriever.
that ship is awesome bait.
In the past people tried to gank my ret only to die painful to warrior drones.
The secret is fit for tank not mining yield and let the gankers die.
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regarding what you said I agree about lowsec, lot of action around those parts. |
MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs
193
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Posted - 2016.03.06 17:13:43 -
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Null-sec is a perfect recreation of reality.
First you had chaos, then you had dozens of nations fighting each other, then you had empire building, then you had empires fighting each other, then you had the empires collapse and the nations form coalitions, then you had the coalitions beat each other up a few times, and finally several hundred years down the road you have the United Nations and even people who hate each other would rather hate quietly while benefiting from global trade.
In 13 years of EVE Online we've emulated hundreds of years of human history and ended up in exactly the same place we're in in the world today.
_#portDust514
Don't let interactions like this become only a memory.
(EVE alt> Sarayu Wyvern. Dust 514 alt> Mobius Wyvern.)
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Haliaeetus Albicilla
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.03.06 17:43:14 -
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MidnightWyvern wrote:
In 13 years of EVE Online we've emulated hundreds of years of human history and ended up in exactly the same place we're in in the world today.
Three minutes from nuclear war? |
Forum Toon
State War Academy
Caldari State
66
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Posted - 2016.03.06 18:55:52 -
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Haliaeetus Albicilla wrote:MidnightWyvern wrote:
In 13 years of EVE Online we've emulated hundreds of years of human history and ended up in exactly the same place we're in in the world today.
Three minutes from nuclear war?
"I know not with what ships miners will be ganked with in the coming war, but in the War after that they will be ganked with pods. "
- Capsuleer Einstein
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Opertone
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
336
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Posted - 2016.03.06 20:41:29 -
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back in the days, null was an exciting place to be...
especially the borderline gurista regions...
spies, lies, politics, thrilling kills, treachery... desperation, suicide ops and what not
to get all that fun you need an alliance leadership without a Head, but rather multiple brain dead heads.
What is the best part of null sec??? Making a logistics run in your very own cargo transport... gatecamps, gankers, smartbombers, chases... and 500 mill ISK put at risk.
And then the more tears you drop, the more bitter vet you become.
It all ended with jackpot of 9 bill ISK, when I felt it was not worth playing - as I achieved an end game state. Too much money, too little to aim for.
This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
2253
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Posted - 2016.03.06 21:12:18 -
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Pretty sure you joined the wrong group, you need a group actively looking for trouble and fights, not defending and holding a big territory. The sov game is not everybody's cup of tea. A lot of the battles making news rise by pure chance from a chain of escalations, because somebody made a mistake, others are arranged "good fights" with or without surprises ... if your desire is PvP fleet action around the clock like in the "This is EvE" trailer, come to Spectre Fleet and Bombers Bar, and live in Thera or Highsec.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
4413
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Posted - 2016.03.07 02:55:37 -
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Did I see somebody in this thread say, "For PVP, you can always go to FW"? My, how times have changed. But yes, PVP is available around the clock in FW.
What would Syd Barrett do?
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Geronimo McVain
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2016.03.07 09:35:15 -
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At the moment:
most ships killed in the last 24h .....................Jita 457
any further questions?
There was another battle with +350 ships killed, right, but why does a trade hub beat a warside? Is there any statistic that shows kills in High-sec, low-sec and null per day/month/year? When I look at the map I'm just guessing that high-sec beats null by 10:1 |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1116
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Posted - 2016.03.07 09:52:44 -
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go back to lowsec then??? |
Lianara Dayton
Society for Peace and Unity
39
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Posted - 2016.03.07 10:44:39 -
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tl;dr: if you want PVP on an individual level then join FW. If you want long-term strategic goals ( = building an empire) with PVP as a necessary evil then go to 0.0.
I've lived in highsec (when I was a noob), then 0.0 for many years and currently I'm mainly active in FW/lowsec. In my opinion the situation in 0.0 has devolved more and more towards "nullbears" that are mainly in 0.0 to be able to farm ISK faster and build space empires. Fighting and PVP is seen as a necessary evil but not as a main goal (preventing a fight and "blueballing" people is more efficient then actually fighting - especially if 99% of your members are nullbears without balls that have no experience in PVP). This tactic of "dock up and bore our enemies to tears" may be wonderful for empire builders but it's utterly terrible for PVPers (which means that most people interested in PVP will migrate to real PVP groups and not stick with some 20'000 man risk-averse empire builder alliance - which in turn makes it even less profitable for the empire builders to even try to fight and reinforce the fact that it's better to simply dock up and wait it out instead of fighting).
When I first joined 0.0 this was not the case. People actually came to 0.0 for PVP, not to farm anoms in an afk carrier or whatever kids get up to these days.
The situation only got worse over the years (mainly when PVE became a thing in 0.0 which attracted many non-PVPers to 0.0).
So short of joining a real PVP group that doesn't hold sov and mess around with other carebear crap (along the lines of PL), 0.0 is not the best place for PVP.
After a longer break from EVE I decided to join FW and am really enjoying the focus on PVP that exists there. Sure, it's usually just frigates and small gang or solo action but to be honest this is far more fun for the individual pilot then being part of some huge fleet and waiting on titans for an hour just to have the hostiles blueball you etc. Been there, done that. It was fun for a short while but very soon it just became incredibly boring on a day-to-day level. Sure, the first few times you're in a huge fleet it's great and you take a few nice screenshots but beyond that it really isn't the most interesting or engaging form of EVE PVP (and individual skill is virtually irrelevant - you just need a few hundred F1-monkey that are willing to sit on a titan for 3h without falling asleep... oh how interesting...).
Now FW in lowsec is a totally different story. If you're looking for a place to fight (especially in smaller ships and with fewer people) then I can really recommend joining FW. I probably got more solo and small gang fights in my 1,5 years in FW then in the previous 7 years in various 0.0 alliances combined (the exception being my time in PL but then PL is also not a regular sov holding alliance - the problem for me with PL was that it required a very high level of activity and dedication and that just wasn't compatible with my real life on a long term basis).
Sure, the fighting in FW is pretty pointless beyond simply fighting each other and gaining PVP skills - you're not fighting for your huge empire to defend the moons that some alliance members are earning their ISK with - you're simply fighting because it's fun (and obviously also to defend your factions space but that's pretty irrelevant and can easily be ignored in favor of having some simple PVP-fun). It's also absolutely ideal for a person like me who has lots going on in RL. Gone are the days where I'm willing to "alarm clock" for fleets and spend hours and hours waiting for the action in 0.0 to kick off. In FW you simply log in, join a fleet (or head out solo) and have a blast and then log out again.
Edit: and just to make it clear: there were some very fun moments in 0.0 as well - for example when the alliance I was in came under massive attack from the russians and we were forced to fight or lose all our space (which, in the end we did lose by the way) but that also wasn't really fun because of the action-packed PVP but more on a strategic level and from a social point of view (seeing when the defeatist-faction within the alliance took over and then everything fell apart within days etc.). That was a blast (but not from a killmail point of view).
Lianara Dayton, Society for Peace and Unity
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Erin Savior
State War Academy
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2016.03.07 10:52:27 -
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Wow. It hasn't changed in 6 years... That was last time I was in a null-alliance. Bored the heck of me... Fleets often 30-50m just to gather. Then listen to some dumbass giving orders and just follow. Thanks for your post, however depressing it was lol. |
Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest
The-Culture
216
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Posted - 2016.03.07 11:06:15 -
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Okay so if anyone in this thread describing how bad null sec is/was:
a) has lived there longer than two weeks;
b) has lived there recently (lets say in the last month);
c) is/was not a member or a pet of the Goons; and
d) is not bad at this game and should feel bad,
please x up in fleet. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
3624
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Posted - 2016.03.07 11:50:36 -
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Pretty much why I don't live in null. The only 'fights" you get out there most of the time are either vastly mismatched gangs, or surprising a ratter.
Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
3624
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Posted - 2016.03.07 11:52:34 -
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Perkin Warbeck wrote:Okay so if anyone in this thread describing how bad null sec is/was:
a) has lived there longer than two weeks;
b) has lived there recently (lets say in the last month);
c) is/was not a member or a pet of the Goons; and
d) is not bad at this game and should feel bad,
please x up in fleet.
a) I lived in null for about three months. i spent far longer in w-space, which is much more interesting.
b) No. Got bored and found more ways to have fun in highsec.
c) lol Goonhate
d) i'm not sure this grammar means what you think it means
edit: so basically you can't criticize null life if you aren't actively living it (within the past month). Gotcha.
Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
3624
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Posted - 2016.03.07 11:53:43 -
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Erin Savior wrote:Wow. It hasn't changed in 6 years... That was last time I was in a null-alliance. Bored the heck of me... Fleets often 30-50m just to gather. Then listen to some dumbass giving orders and just follow. Thanks for your post, however depressing it was lol.
Look man, pressing F1 is a skill i tell you.
Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
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Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
288
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Posted - 2016.03.07 11:55:38 -
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Perkin Warbeck wrote:Okay so if anyone in this thread describing how bad null sec is/was:
a) has lived there longer than two weeks;
b) has lived there recently (lets say in the last month);
c) is/was not a member or a pet of the Goons; and
d) is not bad at this game and should feel bad,
please x up in fleet.
I've lived in null for over two years and I shoot Goons...and anybody else I can catch...can I play?
To the op...On a serious note - declaring nullsec to be "underwhelming" based on a single experience with a single group says a lot more about your unrealistic expectations than anything else.
There is all sorts of activity and experiences to be had in nullsec. You joined a big sov blob and found you didn't enjoy what you ended up doing. So maybe try a different angle...there are groups in NPC null that just look for fights, there are other sov groups you could try, there is the strange but often enjoyable NRDS nullsec community in Providence you could go spend time with...or you could just whine about it.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."
- Hunter S. Thompson
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Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
1699
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Posted - 2016.03.07 12:47:30 -
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Forum Toon wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:[quote=Forum Toon]
You joined a nullbear alliance.
If you follow the meta on eve news sites and read battle reports you will get a general idea of which alliance does what, when and how.
FYI all nullsec alliances will call themselves "PVP alliances" unless they are literally renters, even if they only do one PVP fleet a month. So it's a meaningless label until you learn what PVP they actually do. You have pointers on how to properly research for proper pvp oriented force to join? I really hate when I'm told "dock and wait in station". I don't pay sub to spin my ship.
Querious is pretty active atm.
https://zkillboard.com/region/10000050/
Right sidebar has a list of most active corps/alliances.
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Cautious Kev
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2016.03.07 12:51:37 -
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I personally didn't enjoy living in nullsec. The mechanics of living there were more tedious than fun. |
MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs
196
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Posted - 2016.03.07 13:22:57 -
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Haliaeetus Albicilla wrote:MidnightWyvern wrote:
In 13 years of EVE Online we've emulated hundreds of years of human history and ended up in exactly the same place we're in in the world today.
Three minutes from nuclear war?
To divert off topic for the moment, nuclear war is and always will be an impossibility.
No one stands to gain anything from it, so it will never truly be a risk.
_#portDust514
Don't let interactions like this become only a memory.
(EVE alt> Sarayu Wyvern. Dust 514 alt> Mobius Wyvern.)
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Forum Toon
State War Academy
Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2016.03.07 14:04:45 -
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Just to clarify,
"Underwhelming" in my humble opinion.
that was pure opinion post.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
2650
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Posted - 2016.03.07 14:08:56 -
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MidnightWyvern wrote:Haliaeetus Albicilla wrote:MidnightWyvern wrote:
In 13 years of EVE Online we've emulated hundreds of years of human history and ended up in exactly the same place we're in in the world today.
Three minutes from nuclear war? To divert off topic for the moment, nuclear war is and always will be an impossibility. No one stands to gain anything from it, so it will never truly be a risk.
A nutcase only has to think he stand to win something to start BS. |
Kamahl Daikun
Back To Basics.
Tactical Supremacy
80
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Posted - 2016.03.07 15:50:39 -
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Highsec: "I went to nullsec looking for a fight in a T1 Frig and everyone ran from me!"
Nullsec: "Saw some T1 Frig roaming around, obvious cyno bait. I'm not getting blapped by a ******* Carrier." |
Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
86
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Posted - 2016.03.07 20:30:37 -
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Based on just my few experiences so far, LoSec is PvP central. If that's your whoopee button, go push it there. NullSec is whatever the locals want it to be...right? |
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