Too much EFT. With blasters being what it is, brutix does almost no dps at point range, even with null. Cyclone will kite it until it dies. Undock once in a while.

Gallente ships are already the second fastest in the game and are so close to agility compared to minmatar that it's barely noticeable. How much faster do they need to be?

As I suggested in a previous post, the fix needs to include a nerf to projectile weapons, which are horribly unbalanced right now. Combine this with some new web drones and I think you'll end up with a more balanced, and more interesting game.

yep ,
Blasters seems fine to some extend (most hybrid ships are still crap), but ac-s are just too good , fitting requirement should be increased a bit, so winmatar cant fit everything onto their superspeed ships to make them more tanky/more everything as a blaster ship. I would also lower close range ammo dmg.

gallente... those are called blasters not gallente:P
btw you missed some very needed parts like : cap use , dmg type , ammo types t1 t2 , all of those are ac favoured which greatly moves your balanced comparison into winac, imba op pulse t2 range and poor blasters

Diemost with 2 nanos goes at 2km/s. Vega with same 2 nanos goes at 3km/s. That's a 50% difference, plus less agility and acceleration. The fact that this is "second fastest in game" is precisely why Winmatar wins.

Here's to hoping that the idiots don't turn variety and varying play styles and choices into all the same thing.. not much of a vanilla fan myself. Want my ice cream shop to have a wide degree in choices for me to taste and enjoy.

And there it is, ad hominem defined.

at least he is trying to learn not like u :P
you will be forever an idiot^^

my fav ship is the tornado cause it has total imba alpha due to ******** overboosted winmatard arties
how to use it just load with short range ammo warp to belt target the closest afk botter mackinaw and press f1
easy dumbproof matar style :P
2nd is mackinaw for high sec mining , after tornado took care of competitors it has a free belt full of ice to make some tasty isk


"Several corp mates say they're overpowered now" what ******** corp you are in lilung...

Personal choice, that's all. I choose not to use my real life name, either, although I don't have anything to hide.

It is entirely up to you whether you take the contents of my posts seriously or not. They are not intended solely for your benefit, so it doesn't really matter either way.

Unless I'm mistaken, changing ammo takes just as long as reloading the current ammo - so, you can switch ammo types roughly about the same time you'd need to reload anyways, with very little loss - if any - in DPS. And, as you pointed out, hybrids need to reload, too. So, the reload advantage to hybrids is 5 sec, irregardless if you change ammo types or not.

[quote=ElCholo]
Does reloading the same ammo, when your guns run dry, take the same amount of time as swapping to a different ammo type? Projectiles do not have a zero reload time.

Confirming that a ****** fleet filled with fail fits with no context or circumstances provided going up against T2, Faction and Pirate Faction Ships are a good measure of what what a race can do.

I don't know perhaps that purger rigged Hurricane, T1 fit beam Harb, and T1 gunned Thrasher are all part of a Super Secret PvP setup. I am interested to know how they planned to use that survey scanner.

I mean perhaps I am further mistaken when I noticed that the defeated side is from a virtually unknown Alliance with less kills combined then I have (Which isn't much ) and more then twice as many losses as they have kills. Maybe a fact made worse when the other fleet was made up of Veto Corp, Rooks and Kings, Pandemic Legion, oh and you were there. o/

So ElCholo well you were kicking this unknown Alliances Fail Fleet with a combo of pretty prominent PvP Groups in rather expensive ships is that when you realized that these good folks truly represent the best PvP opposition to your fleet? They must have put on one impressive performance I dare say. As Survey Scanning Harbingers are well known to do.

Edit/ Know what, I know I suck at PvP but I am just gonna take a moment and pat myself on the back for being single handedly better then this entire Shadow of Honor Alliance. Thanks EnCholo that was a much needed ego boost.

Where did I troll. All I have is your word that they had that and for all I know you could have had more Logi's. Your Confirming, confirms nothing. The Irony.


Anyone is capable of taking out crap fit fleets flown by pilots who don't know what they are doing but Ok.

I guess you proved me wrong taking out those elite PvP'ers with your humble fleet. Balance should always be decided in a contest between the best PvP'ers and the worst.

And that's where you begin to miss the point. These ships are already agreed as being good at station/gate camping and if they can be dropped at zero in a relatively small engagement. But that's less than 5% of eve. For 25% of the player base who are Gallente, and for however many of the Caldari pilots that have discovered they have turret ships too. Why should the weapon systems of choice for such a significant part of the players be sidelined?

You really don't have a clue, do you. :( The point is that we are roaming, not station/gate camping. Roaming is what a large portion of Eve does. It really saddens me that people just don't get the big picture.

Anything competent and cohesive will best those fleet you were fighting.
You sound an awful lot like the guy who was arguing Armor-EWar-HAM Drake was viable based on the reasoning that somewhere, sometime, somehow... it might not die horribly.

Confirming the gang ElChocolo et al. are running with is pretty good. These days, you can stuff a 1600 AND neutrons on a Deimos and it cooks at 1500m/s at least. Its every Deimos pilot's dream come true.

You have uber webs on the Ashimmu, with neuting. So you've got tackle and cap warfare sorted. A couple of logis for tanking because, luls, they will primary the Deimos so their pants don't fill up first and jam their F1 keys - i mean, tanking 2 Deimos's isn't easy. Stabber fleet for bait/tackle and sig tanking.

That's a pretty nice gang. You're all jelly, forum alts, because you haven't figured out how to run decent gangs.

confirming that youre still a goddamn troll

I beg to differ. Check my history and you'll see that I use gallente ships most months, but to do so I have to go looking for fights pretty much on my own or in very small groups. All the other kills generally come from fleets where there is no room for gallente ships, either rail or blaster fitted. I repeat, you are arguing that a significant portion of the playerbase are expected to play with a minority and niche weapon system. This is neither balanced nor sensible, nor are you in your opinions.

lol cmon man you got 4 gallente ships in a 9 man fleet in the killmail and one is a logi and one died because his blasters forced him into range so he can be tackled back most likely causing the loss .... far cry from a gallente fleet and it was not a victory for gallente in the least. take a 20-30 man fleet of 90% gallente ships and beat an equal blob of drakes or canes or something and then you might be able to try and pass those off as any kind of proof or representation of gallente in general. and i think we both know that is not going to happen until railguns are better or equal to arties. blasters will never be a fleet weapon as long as their range remains where it is at.

Honestly are all you guys trolling or what? rofl i have never seen so much pathetic examples or claims that are so easily contradicted in my life anywhere.. either all you guys saying that gallente are all right are all trolling or you have some monetary(isk) reason for the influence you are trying to push on here. im guessing its a combination of both or maybe its just you guys all were apparently dropped on your heads as babies .... and are complete e-tards.

anyhow feel free to keep trying to say gallente is fine and i will be there to tell you that you are wrong and a moron and prove it to you in a variety of diffrent ways. Gallente is broken as a race in this game .... BROKEN. and it needs to be fixed.

with that being said i applaud the efforts of anyone attempting to pvp in gang scenario's with a majority of gallente ships as it adds much needed diversity to the pvp in this game and shows skill for overcoming the obvious drawbacks of gallente.

I actually don't think Gallente ships are so terrible now. Just the arguments here seem terrible. (I think they're still slightly too niche though.)
Such as the last link. Tornadoes that are terribly fit for smaller brawlers suck against smaller brawlers. News at 11.

Rambling

in the end its looking like your trying to prove you can work with a bad system .... just because you can still ride a bike with a flat tire doesnt make it a good thing!

Goddammit forums. Short rewrite.

As I said, I think Gallente are almost fine. Shoulda stated that in my first post. Still probably won't see them in blob numbers unless railfits somehow get popular due to blaster range.
As for example, Tornadoes fight ships they're designed to be weak against and not fitted to be good against. Just doesn't seem like a good example to me. I'm not arguing against the ships, just the example.

just admit that medium rails need fixing. that's all i ask.

gallente and hybrids suck cholo! You should know better then trying to argue with EFT-warriors who have absolutely no clue.