Oh, btw, blasters suck.

Funny Thing is Gallente were FOTM years back but now everyone's got Gallente they will never be AS FOTM and you know thats the only thing the experienced players are pineing for.

Muhahahaahaha.

They're working fine in small gang low sec piracy too.

-Liang

Blasters do alright in RvB.

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When I saw in the Crucible patch notes, how they made Gallante boats all slightly faster, I laughed... then cried... then laughed again.

In a blasterboat, you're either faster or slower than your opponent. If slower, you get kited until you die. How much slower makes little difference. For balancing, the baseline should have been Winmatar counterpart's speed, and start up the speed slowly until the blaster wins the catchup/dps race 50% of the time on average.

the cyclone wipes the floor with the brutix; its tank is multifold better, and it has better damage projection.

and trust me, you wont be seeing more hybrid boats. i havent seen a single successful "hybrid" gang across all FW militias since Crucible hit.

Too much EFT. With blasters being what it is, brutix does almost no dps at point range, even with null. Cyclone will kite it until it dies. Undock once in a while.

Too much EFT. With blasters being what it is, brutix does almost no dps at point range, even with null. Cyclone will kite it until it dies. Undock once in a while.

Gallente ships are already the second fastest in the game and are so close to agility compared to minmatar that it's barely noticeable. How much faster do they need to be?

Good god, med rails and Astarte...

Gallante is still much slower than Winmatar. Does it matter how much slower? When you're slower, you get kited until you die. If you're faster, you stand a chance at catching up before losing the dps race. Balance is a matter of how much faster than Winmatar should Gallante be, not whether it should be faster. When blaster boat catches up fast enough to win the dps race roughly 50% of the time, balance is achieved.

Not sure what they would do with plates. Regardless, it won't save Gallante. Diemost with zero plate and 2 nanos goes to 2km/s. Vaga with same 2 nanos goes to 3km/s. It's a 50%, or 1km/s difference. Frankly, it'll get kited just fine without help of plates to weight it down...

As for mid slot dmg mods, I doubt it would contribute to much. Extra mids are hard to come by, except for some caldari boats, which frankly, suck anyway.

What penalty should armor plates or rigs have if not mass or speed? Tracking enhancers are a range modifier. They are obviously a low slot module but they do have a mid slot cousin in the form of tracking computers. Would other mid slot module variations for damage ala msf/gyro/ heat sinks have a place in Eve?

Whats piontless is fitting Rails in a fleet battle.

The problem is that the damage vs. falloff equation is applied to the normalized falloff of a weapon (ie. 0 to 100%), not the absolute falloff, in km. This means that a weapon system which benefits from extended falloff, such as ACs with Tracking Enhancers, will be much more effective out to greater ranges than other weapon systems, given roughly equivalent base damage.

Yes, rails now has 10% more of very little dps, and 5% more of very little tracking. And arty has its perks, btw, It's blob standard issue for a good reason. Whatever rails do, Laser/AC does better. Poor rail has no place to be.

Lol, personal attack. I take it that means you can't respond to contents of post quoted?

Not going to waste my breath answering random questions that has too many answers based on situation and people present. But I will point out that if "it started at 1500 meters," it's a trap and you fail - Something liang has done.

Lol@ personal attack as red herring to defer the issue and derail the thread.

Yes, rails now has 10% more of very little dps, and 5% more of very little tracking. And arty has its perks, btw, It's blob standard issue for a good reason. Whatever rails do, Laser/AC does better. Poor rail has no place to be.

Quote a post, but unable to repute it, instead, deferring to a red herring personal attack instead, by suggesting I somehow have no "PVP experience." Ad hominem defined.

Yes, rails now has 10% more of very little dps, and 5% more of very little tracking. And arty has its perks, btw, It's blob standard issue for a good reason. Whatever rails do, Laser/AC does better. Poor rail has no place to be.

You don't respond to a person in a thread dedicated to an issue, you respond to the post/issue. You implied that contents of the post was wrong by suggesting I have no pvp experience, which is an ad hominem attack and logical fallacy. It's actually true if reference is limited to this faceless forum troll alt.

As for your barrage of meaningless questions, there's no answer. There are too many variables: what's present on either side, if/how many/what kind of tacklers, ship types, fits, numbers, logi, any wildcards (falcon, rapier, etc). The only thing I can tell you for sure is if you "started at 1500 meters" in a non-failfit Winmatar boat on blasterboats, you're pretty much screwed. But that's your own fault.

So how do you like those rails nowdays?

Btw, what color are you undies?

Then specify the situation. I'm not typing out a wall of text covering all possible scenarios.

More importantly, how do you like your newly "buffed" rails? Gotta have some non-thread derailing content.

Brawl... it's so 2005. Oh wait, that's because brawling boats got nerfed and kiting boats got buffed. Now, replace brawl with "Gallante" and kiting with "Winmatar."

ohh you know i didnt know i was supposed to shield tank my proteus? damn why didnt someone tell me that? and why did ccp give me all these armor subsystems? i am so confused ....

Most of those things come for free when you consider everyone shield tanks everything. Its really got a knock-on effect, because shield tanking makes you faster and typically leaves room open for TEs. I think you REALLY underestimate the effect that TEs have with Null - both in terms of damage superiority at range and to what it does to your band of absolute damage superiority with close range ammo.

You seem to have this core bias against shield tanking your blaster ships, and you seem to think that structure HP doesn't count. There's no good reason for that, and you should stop it - at least until CCP Tallest actually gets around to doing something about armor rigs sucking your speed away.

The funny thing about it is that people love to point out the Hurricane as evidence that projectiles are better than blasters, but they seem to forget that there simply isn't a Tier 2 blaster BC. The best we have is the Brutix - it has absolute damage superiority out to about 13-15km, better tracking, more EHP, and is ~100 m/s slower than a Cane.

For a more apples to apples comparison, you can take a look at the shield gank hype vs Tempest. You should see the Hype be actually quite fast and have damage superiority out to ~33km (even ignoring drones). It trades utility (neuts) for utility (drones) and has the same tank even assuming you play it safe with a cap booster. And that's before we get into the truly massive damage superiority has up close.

Is the situation perfect? No - but its a hell of a lot better than most of the whiners are making it out to be.

-Liang

Rework the Brutix, sure, but the Hype is actually really good. :(

-Liang

It's a big fat slowboat BS without 90% webs trying to hit small stuff with large guns. What role does it have in "small gang" other than station games? BS as a class is lol in small gang those days. It's crap compared to a real small gang boat in anything.