Well, I remember something that came from one of the recent CSM reunion : CPP want to introduce a smaller industrial command ship in the game. If this thing looks like a command destroyer, it could become the solution to the Rorqual put out of his security and other mining barges than the proc/skiff in low-null.

EDIT : there http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/Meetings/summit/CSM10-S2.pdf page 34

There are a good amount of MMOs that are playable solo for the most part.
I don't know about you but I don't go gathering herbs in Tera with half my guild backing me up.

- Offgrid boosts.


Rorqual has the ability to become invulnerable, and making all of your mining ships around it invulnerable. WTF. I want that on my carrier or dread please?

Can you give me any patch note link about this please? Been reading alot and haven-¦t seen that.

I like mining.
I like killing miners.
Mining in hisec....strictly for rookies learning the ropes
Mining in lowsec....begging for bullets, bait or backed up by badasses.
Mining in sov null...see the neuts on intel channel when they are 10 jumps away, also reported are wormholes and hotdroppers.
Mining in wh...as mentioned above, makes plenty of isk and any loss is just a pvp dinner bell.
AND
Killing miners in hisec...too easy, not a playstyle unless it's a loldeployment for corpies who are a bit bored.
Killing miners in lowsec...easy mode hunting, usually newbros but chance they are bait or part of a fleet.
Killing miners in null...more difficult to get to without wormholes or blops, spais and cloaky eyes make more things possible.
Killing miners in wormholes...basically the flipside of mining there, you catch a barge to start action. Just wasting a gas huffing venture or random exhumer alone is good at first, but ultimately you want to stir up a hornet's nest, otherwise why are you there stranger?
SO
The changes are all good, mining and industry is a part of this violent game, neither removed from nor irrelevant to the combat.

It's not in-game yet, it was talked about by CCP at last fanfest and on CSM. It's on the page 20 on the document I linked earlier :

- Offgrid boosts.
This isnt a nerf to PvE/Miners only. this is hurting PVPers as well. From a PVP perspective, getting rid of offgrid boosts is killing one of the cooler emergent gameplay options: hunting and killing booster ships during a fight. Its now just going to be another primary on grid. zzzZzZZZz.

- Buddy List removal.
Also hurts PVPers. We can no longer monitor when titans come online and then rush to their last logoff location to bubble them. However, i think overall this is the right decision.

CCP has done nothing but assist and buff PvE player experience. Giving you guys impossible-to-catch ships. Even covert-ops mining frigates ffs. And you can freely travel nullsec with an interceptor or luxury yacht now too.

Rorqual has the ability to become invulnerable, and making all of your mining ships around it invulnerable. WTF. I want that on my carrier or dread please?

they buff concord every year

They got rid of can flipping/baiting/etc

they banished pvp'ers and highsec gankers to null/lowsec via Kill Rights system

You've never had it as good as you have it today. I dont know what youre complaining about.

Capsuleers are remote-controlled actually, so it makes sense in a way that we could intercept the signal between the operator and the capsuleer. Now it's like the signal is crypted and need agreement on both parts to be able to distinguish the signal from random noises.

To stay on topic, I would like some drone bonuses on the Mack and Hulk too, there's no reason they should be both squishy and defenseless, a 25% role bonus to damage and yield to drones would not be too much, maybe keep the 25% HP drone bonus to the Skiff, giving to mack and hulk a 75m3 drone bay could be something too.

I agreed, one extra HS for gun not lasers on all exchumers and maybe one medium slot for mack and haulk. Since all the pvpers agree that killing miners is fun. Then let-¦s balance the pvp side, between miners and pvper-¦s

You can use a combination of Local and D-Scan to pretty much never get ganked. I'll accept warp speed inties getting lucky and covert ops/Recons guys getting you time to time. Why doesn't your corp defend you? If it's 1-2 ships those should be eagerly engaged by local standing fleets. If it's more people than that you need to watch your intel channel. Also minig got a boost, you can do Project Discovery during cycles and get an extra few Million ISK/Hr which you can't really do in other forms of active ISK generation.

There are a good amount of MMOs that are playable solo for the most part.
I don't know about you but I don't go gathering herbs in Tera with half my guild backing me up.

I think i-¦m done with eve for now, If I recall right, over the last 2,5 years starting in high and getting to null, as a ore miner. Never AFK mined, having 55" screen, all accounts open as visual. Whatching local, giving intel, DS links, lost one skiff and few barges, while learning how the eve live is. And the only changes i-¦ve seen following my skill training is bigger cargo hold on exhumers.

Sincerly Thank you ccp for the time.

I-¦m curios.

Does anyone else then me, of all the miners and mining boosters in null or low, feel like CCP is changing the miners and mining boosters playground to give pvper-¦s more content.

Let me explain what i-¦m talking about.

1. Most of pvper-¦s really don-¦t give a **** about miners, whether they are in corp with them or not. And for me mining and building for last 2,5 years, I-¦ve never put trust in my corp mates or others to help me out if tackled.

2. The newest change, is the whatchlist. Now it-¦s just really hard to figure out if they are in belt when logging out. Why the heck, could CCP not at least give us like 2-3 min to warp out before they tackled us. As in delayed log in time, or module/movement lock down on them if pilots login back in space. Normal log in time in station or within shield. Because it-¦s just basicly weird that ccp is giving permission as part of the game play to use the log out and log in, as part of your game play. For me I would need to have toons in all systems around me to actually figure out if they had logged out in the mining system. Because intel from pvpers does really suck.

3. I-¦m looking forward to see how CCP will finally destroy the off grid rorqual boost.

4. I-¦m suspecting that the mining drone bug earlier in the year was a hint for the fighter drone yield. If that is the case, please just skip them. That yield for having the rorqual in the belt is just stupid.


Now there might be pvper-¦s that read this, say "jesus, this guy is whining" But I-¦m not seeing any mining/Indy content yet with all this changes. I-¦m not seeing any more med/low slots on barges/exchumers, I-¦m only seeing my self in barges again for less ganking loss and orca as boost. if that is the case i-¦m done with this game. It-¦s just stupit to spend money in a game that isn-¦t build for what i like to do. I know that if pvper-¦s are not finding any pvp content they start whining.

I hope this will bring other miners/indy to say what they feel about the game when they log in and read the patch notes and forums, where ccp is taking the indy part to. For me I really just think it-¦s stupid to pay real money to give pvpers content.

Sincerly Calvari

The hell did I just read?

[quote=Kiddoomer]Well, I remember something that came from one of the recent CSM reunion : CPP want to introduce a smaller industrial command ship in the game. If this thing looks like a command destroyer, it could become the solution to the Rorqual put out of his security and other mining barges than the proc/skiff in low-null.

EDIT : there http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/Meetings/summit/CSM10-S2.pdf page 34

3. I-¦m looking forward to see how CCP will finally destroy the off grid Rorqual boost.

have you ever seen a bonus given to a mining ship to help him escape ? Even just a silly ecm bonus ? the skiff as you said can just die not that quickly, sure he can kill a bomber, a frigate or a destroyer just fine on its own, but whatever bigger and it's dead, plus, like 80% of the time, the hostile is actually a tackler or a hotdropper for a entire fleet, the reason why nearly no-one will come to help.

I am not a miner, to tell you the truth I would rather run laps around eve then mine but I do understand where you are coming at. Truthfully I do think there should be some new content for miners.

The pvpers are getting a LOT with the last few updates from command destroyers to new caps. I do think that the miners should get some new content as well, maybe a t3 mining ship for example. maybe a t2 orca that has even better mining boosts, something good but truthfully I would like to see something better for the indy guys.

Well ....
There is the Endurance, with a mobility bonus when cloaked.
There is the Prospect with a covops cloak.
Then there's the Venture with +2 warpstab off the bat (and darned quick align times too).

in Haulers you have more of the same: +2 warpstab, covops cloak or even a jumpdrive for nigh-100% security.

in Barges there is the Higgs anchor which allows you to stay aligned and warp off at a moment's notice. (a moment's notice meaning: even before the 5 sec targeting delay on covops, and well before you see local spiking).

Oh and let's not forget my Procurer puts out 200 DPS, 480m/sec (AB), disruptor and web, 50k EHP. That's not bad for the price of a T1 Cruiser. Skiffs have even more EHP which is really all the bonus you can reasonably expect because if you don't want EHP you want to fly one of the mining frigates instead (faster GTFO potential).

As for Covetors/Mackinaws/Hulks/Retrievers, ..... I don't think the ship description says anything about getting away. If you insist on flying a high-yield or cargo capacity ship well that's your bonus right there. Would you like to know how well a T1 cruiser does in the mining department? Would you please show me the cruiser with a GTFO bonus while you're at it?

Thank You please come again.

Well, just imagine that if CPP spend a good amount of time working on industry, or even "worse" mining, the size of the jita riot that will occur for useless work spend on useless people that just deserve to get gank for been stupid enough to do mining.