People are just going to tell you to go live in a wh.

You beat me to it.

Somehow I don't think he wants this for the place he lives. Rather for somewhere someone else lives

Bad idea. No balance. The cloaky gets an advantage, the prey does not.

Just remove local entirely. Balance on both sides.

Sure there would be balance. Thanks to how vast sov is these days, it is literally impossible to sneak up on someone who is even paying the vaguest mote of attention thanks to either the in game tools/intel channels, or the 3rd party tools.

99.99% of the time, the kill is the result of the ratter being careless, with 00.01% of the time being because the hunter was good. I have done a lot of blops hunting, and this balance always was sort of frustrating, especially since most of the good ratting ships these days can do everything while aligned. Just a tiny 10 second window would give one enough time to find which anomaly they are at and give the hunter a chance.

Removing local entirely would be amazing - dscan becomes king and the active hunter rather than the afk ratter has an actual advantage.

Either that or actually fix the real problem of docking up in response to raiders being the best solution. Imagine if you had to complete a site to collect isk, and invaders could somehow de-spawn half completed anomalies, or if all income had to be collected through ESS type things that could not be guarded by rats.

Perfect, instant, 100% reliable intel sort of spoils a game about risk.

This is why I am hoping that the upcoming Observatory Array will do away with local and you can do something like hack them so that they are not 100% accurate. Especially if they work as a network. You hack it in system A then mosey on over to system B not showing up in the intel network and then misbehave.

Perfect, instant, 100% reliable intel sort of spoils a game about risk.

Complete infinite invisibility does the same thing.

So please explain me how is that hundred of people get caught daily ratting or mining daily in null space, with this so unfair instant local intel against you.

So please explain me how is that hundred of people get caught daily ratting or mining daily in null space, with this so unfair instant local intel against you.

The idea is simple, give ships that can fit a covert ops cloak a delay from appearing in local chat.

Doesn't have to be a long delay, 10 seconds would be more than enough

Local chat is being abused for easy intel and ruins the fun of covert ops in my mind.

Good idea? Bad idea? Thoughts?

If they add a way to find cloaky ships that are in safe spots sure I'll agree.

When it comes to ratters, they have all the cards, all the pieces, and all the moves - it's no fun as the game is 100% in their control, and avoidance is still the best strategy.

Those ratters worked with each other, established an intel network between themselves, and use scouts to monitor systems. Why shouldn't you have to put in the same amount of work to kill them?

They have worked together for the common goal of minimize their risk. You should have to work with others to maximize your chances of catching them. This is a multiplayer game, if you play with others you may see your chances of success increase.

So please explain me how is that hundred of people get caught daily ratting or mining daily in null space, with this so unfair instant local intel against you.

There is no counter to local.

short of getting alts or other characters to awox.

The only thing close to a counter is AFK camping a system in a cloaked ship.

You figured out one of them it seems.

Sure there would be balance. Thanks to how vast sov is these days, it is literally impossible to sneak up on someone who is even paying the vaguest mote of attention thanks to either the in game tools/intel channels, or the 3rd party tools.

99.99% of the time, the kill is the result of the ratter being careless, with 00.01% of the time being because the hunter was good. I have done a lot of blops hunting, and this balance always was sort of frustrating, especially since most of the good ratting ships these days can do everything while aligned. Just a tiny 10 second window would give one enough time to find which anomaly they are at and give the hunter a chance.

Removing local entirely would be amazing - dscan becomes king and the active hunter rather than the afk ratter has an actual advantage.

Either that or actually fix the real problem of docking up in response to raiders being the best solution. Imagine if you had to complete a site to collect isk, and invaders could somehow de-spawn half completed anomalies, or if all income had to be collected through ESS type things that could not be guarded by rats.

Perfect, instant, 100% reliable intel sort of spoils a game about risk.

It's easy enough already for prospect and bomber to fly right through the intel and go suprise slow aligning targets, I see your face too often in Provi to think that you dont want but even easier kills for yourself.

You beat me to it.

You're right, I do want kills. 95% of the kills I have gotten there have been from pilots that are either AFK ratting, people not giving too much attention to local count, or DC's I combat probe.

I don't want to rely on killing inattentive pilots, nor do I think attentive pilots should be punished for ratting. I just feel that nullsec should be far more unsafe than it currently is. Providence especially abuses local chat and intel channels, making it a pain to hunt targets.

Eve already has tools that can be used to stop covert ops ship hunting attempts: bubbles, insta-locking ships, d-scan, combat probes, cynosural field inhibitors, friendly cloaky eyes watching gates, etc. I think to balance it out the hunter needs a small advantage.

If you are that starved for kills, I believe you should change targets. I hear PVP players tend to stick around more.

And, by your own admission, what you want to get out of this is not fights but to increase the chances for a successful gank. Even if you say you don't want to punish attentive PVE player, a proposal like this will punish attentive PVE players. So I will not support this.

While I'm not a fan of it, a proposal I am behind is; that you will not show up on local after changing systems, before one of the three following actions is taken.

• You move your ship.
• You activate a module.
• The gate cloak runs out.

This gives you a chance to check your local surroundings for potential threats, and gives you time to plan your next actions.

Okay, that proposal would be just as good if not better for hunting as a lot of systems are small and you can find targets just through using the d-scan. This would still punish attentive players though.