I mean, one that is visible to everyone. But is useful to whoever is coordinating sitting ducks and their cover.

http://i.imgur.com/H3kUPI6.png

Not that simple, they'd still hit every node they can resulting in likely the same amount of hacking attempts. It's been said multiple times over, but the fact hat we are still holding our space against a significantly larger number of enemies shows that we aren't overextended, but that still doesn't mean the mechanics we're all forced to deal with don't suck.

So correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't TEST abandon all their **** from the start?

Overall I'm hoping for both sides this drags on for 5 to 6 years think of all of the fun content and changes it would brinig to the game. this has been a great discussion on mechanics though and I hope to see everyone on grid and space.

sma has held the same amount of space. stop making it about "you have too much space" and just admit MBC is using the current meta to try and kill the cfc. yes we have pulled back since all of eve is pushing on us. but hey, GL holding all the "sov" you took since you will be faced with the same timer hell.

Which isn't what the sov mechanics are designed to facilitate. It's an ownership mechanics and you should need to commit to it because you actually want it, not just be able to effectively gank space. See you like it because you get to use it against goons, but remember the same mechanics are what work for all players, so nothing stops people just picking any old target and going "You don't have your space anymore, have fun dealing with bad mechanics trying to defend it and laser it back".

Cry more. The only reason our leadership has pissed people off is because they've managed to accomplish something you guys would have no hope of. The fact that you guys are so delusional that you are acting like you've already won makes it all the more amusing. The only bad thing about the entire war is that one of the mechanics we have to deal with consists entirely of mining structures and so is boring. If by some miracle you guys actually manage to stay together long enough to win, all you have to look forward to is us moving to NPC space then using the exact same advantage you currently enjoy to stop over everyone remotely nearby.

Honestly, the fact that an RMT scam machine is pouring ISK handed to them by dumb people into providing me content instead of into illicit ISK sales just makes me giddy. I know the sad truth is that eventually he'll stop and go back to selling ISK for cash full time, but until then it kinda feels like we're helping the game by redistributing this wealth legitimately. You're welcome EVE.

I don't PVE, but nice try. I like the version of highsec where there's continuous daily raids from multiple groups for several years and no concord to guarantee your safety.

Comprehension not your thing huh? Simply put, shooting ships is fun, firing mining lasers at structures is not.

But this thread wasn't put up talking about the big group, it was talking about the small groups and how easy and low risk it is for an aggressor regardless of size. Big group vs big group is the natural evolution of that with the big aggressor able to press that advantage.

HAHAHAHA. So it's plenty risky to stick an entosis link on a disposable ship and fire it at a structure? Stop being terrible. Seriously guy, if you can't see the clear difference in what people have to put on the line between attackers and defenders it's because you don't want to. Anyone even remotely objective can see where the problem lies, and the funny part is that one day you'll probably try to hold sov and you'll be right back here with the exact same problems.

What's becoming clear to most people now is that it's pretty much the best idea to live in lowsec or npc nullsec bordering sov space and use sov casually rather than actually owning it and living directly in it. The whole concept of ownership and belonging has been chucked. This is why the current war has no real endgame. Even if we lose the majority of our space there's nothing stopping us doing exactly what MBC are doing then nobody is owning it, and what we end up with is two massive coalitions fighting each other perpetually and we've back to blob vs blob.

Man, you are making Lucas (and other goon members in this thread) look really better than you. Is that really what are you trying to achieve? Even me (hater for goons for YEARS and person who left 2 good alliances just because they joined goon side) find myself agreeing with their points.

Except that's clearly not the case. Under the current sov system it really doesn't matter how many PvPers you've got or now much you try to use your system, if someone wants you out they will achieve that because every time they attack they weaken your space and it costs them basically nothing while you have no ability to retaliate because you're dealing with structure mining and ADMs constantly. This is why trying to actually live out of sov while at war is suicide - which you guys clearly know hence most of BoB abandoning sov to go to war. Sometimes I wonder if you guys are starting to believe your own propaganda.

I'm sure an interceptor can take down a T1 frigate, and I'll let you know just as soon as I'm in that circumstance, until then it's as helpful as saying "if the enemy has a loaf of bread on his face he can't fight you anyway".

Why would I blame my leaders? I like having lots of enemies. What I hate is having to waste time mining structures because CCP thought it would be a great idea to guarantee that sov holders can do nothing but spend all day gridning ADMs and firing a sov laser. I was in favour of full occupancy based sov, where living in your space meant you kept it but fighting other players directly is how you took it and defended it. This rubbish they've put in instead is dire. You may not believe that but even CCP do, which is why they've already scrapped it from citadels.

I'm not saying t's not true, I'm simply saying it's not pertinent to the current situation since they aren't using scissors. You're saying "An interceptor can defeat a T1 frigate, therefore the fact that there are hundreds of nodes to fire a laser at every day is no longer boring, even though T1 frigates aren't what are generally being used". It makes no sense.

Now you're just being ridiculous. Yeah, we'll just let the nodes idle, that's sure to win. I get that you like the mechanics being in your favour, so I can see why you're getting so defensive over the idea of CCP actually fixing them, but those of us that actually like to enjoy the game can see that they are pretty dire. Remember, you only like them because you don't actually want to hold sov. If you did I guarantee after a few serious attacks you'd be jumping right on the same bandwagon.

Hold it simply because it's available no doubt. And no, if you fight each other on a regular basis and have made not steps towards actually defeating each other you're either specifically aiming not to involve sov mechanics (thus proving the point that they are boring) or you are in fact ****. I'm actually betting it's the former.

Hey, don;t get me wrong I've got nothing against overwhelming numbers, and I have no problem losing space to a bigger group rolling in, I just disagree with the notion that losing space is proof of being overextended, and I wish the game was entertaining when defending a region rather than being force to mine structures rather than just fight. Sov should be a byproduct of playing the game and fighting each other, not a fixed, timer based mechanic.

Our diplomacy isn't any more **** than some of your bigger "allies". The main difference is that they gave up their territories last year without even trying to defend it once in Aegis sov, because like us, they already knew the new system would be kind of terrible, and unlike us they don't have the perseverance to even try.

No, they just don't want to put in effort to hold space. They clearly wanted to hold space for years before, otherwise they wouldn't have.

"this isn't about you, it's about your leadership" is a tired cliche and you should feel bad for using it

I'm 99% confident you couldn't name anyone in Imperium leadership beyond The Mittani and Sion

The berb is the berb but you redditeurs have some ridiculous ideas about what our CI does