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BlackPlague
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Posted - 2003.12.12 11:34:00 -
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If all or a good portion the "pre-patch" info is true (mining nerf, mwd/ab nerf, gates, etc) how many will leave Eve?
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.12.12 11:36:00 -
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If you don't know it's true, just go to chaos... I haven't heard anything about a mining nerf but the rest is true.
However, arkanor and spodumain is back, so I wouldn't say mining got nerfed.
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Mir0s
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Posted - 2003.12.12 11:38:00 -
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If all or a good portion the "pre-patch" info is true (mining nerf, mwd/ab nerf, gates, etc) how many will leave Eve?
Stop trolling about the patch before he comes out... it's kinda meaningless. Wait until monday and then judge it...
And there is alot of positive things coming along in the patch, Tech lvl2, end to JIP camping, and a likely fix to the mega shortage.
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2003.12.12 11:40:00 -
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If you don't know it's true, just go to chaos... I haven't heard anything about a mining nerf but the rest is true.
However, arkanor and spodumain is back, so I wouldn't say mining got nerfed.
DCM? 
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BlackPlague
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Posted - 2003.12.12 11:44:00 -
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OMG! It was a simple question... and you call it trolling?
With the numbers going down all the time... and now with the nerfs basically killing days/weeks of training... I am curious on how many will/are leaning towards leaving EVE. Why spend my hard earned jack on a game that ends up having only a few hundred peeps online?
Again, it was a simple question.... dunno why you got your panties in a wad....
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.12.12 11:44:00 -
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none? Everyone will be eager to try tech2. Maybe a month later if tech2 is crap/very rare/too expensive...
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.12.12 11:44:00 -
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If you don't know it's true, just go to chaos... I haven't heard anything about a mining nerf but the rest is true.
However, arkanor and spodumain is back, so I wouldn't say mining got nerfed.
DCM?
You should know... 
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Slinky Redfoot
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Posted - 2003.12.12 11:50:00 -
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So far all the changes that i've seen have been good ones.Sure people will bítch and whine about certain elements (AB/MWD nerf) but thats mainly because people are lazy, and stuck in their old habits.I expect to see quite allot of "WTF OMG" posts next monday. 
Equip 2 MWD's on your ship with the current TQ build, and you are in godmode.add to that bookmarked gates, and a blockade of 20 scorpions will not be able to stop you from getting through.
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Mir0s
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Posted - 2003.12.12 11:51:00 -
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OMG! It was a simple question... and you call it trolling?
With the numbers going down all the time... and now with the nerfs basically killing days/weeks of training... I am curious on how many will/are leaning towards leaving EVE. Why spend my hard earned jack on a game that ends up having only a few hundred peeps online?
Again, it was a simple question.... dunno why you got your panties in a wad....
yeah, 10 bucks month are like.... enough money to go once a month to see the newest Arnold Schwarzenegger box office hit(not likely but..). Instead of that you pay for playing this game. And that playtime in Eve normally is alot more interesting then going to the movies once a month.
You were making a judgement before you have tried those changes. Even tho AB's and MWD's are nerfed atm on Chaos you never know if they will get changed before they hit TQ. Let's just wait and see, and hope that the pros will be more valuable then the cons. Monday will tell...
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Beringe
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Posted - 2003.12.12 11:52:00 -
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People always whine about changes. Every. Single. Change.
I am so tired of it.
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2003.12.12 11:52:00 -
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If all or a good portion the "pre-patch" info is true (mining nerf, mwd/ab nerf, gates, etc) how many will leave Eve?
Hard to say, but the changes they are doing (except fixing JIP camping) are only positive for PvP'ers (warping/AB/MWD), while it is very negative for everyone else.
With everyone else being a much larger group than the PvP'ers.
I can only speak for myself, but I will check out the patch on monday, and if it really is as bad as the stuff on Chaos, I'll probably just log in to train skills on my 3 accounts for some time and see if they change it back down the line..
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.12.12 11:56:00 -
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People always whine about changes. Every. Single. Change.
I am so tired of it.
So true...
However, travel times ARE extreme, the difference is at least 50% more travel time, up to 75-100%.
Gets kinda boring, corps will have a hard time when they have to travel 20 jumps together with indys, cruisers and battleships.
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BlackPlague
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Posted - 2003.12.12 12:00:00 -
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i CANT believe how many get all puffy chest for a simple inquiry... sheesh!
The question is simple... no "whining"... no pre detirmined judgements.... a simple question. The rationale for the question could be found above...as well as the original question....
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2003.12.12 12:03:00 -
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Ok, this wasnt meant as a troll obviously, so lets stop whining about that.
I think no-one will quit right away.
Im sure i wont at all since in only worry about one effect: travel time.
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BlackPlague
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Posted - 2003.12.12 12:05:00 -
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Ok, this wasnt meant as a troll obviously, so lets stop whining about that.
I think no-one will quit right away.
Im sure i wont at all since in only worry about one effect: travel time.
wOOt! thanks.
Agree on the 'right away'.
Agree on travel time. Longer to do less...?
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Shadow Raver
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Posted - 2003.12.12 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Shadow Raver on 02/04/2004 10:53:14
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If you don't know it's true, just go to chaos... I haven't heard anything about a mining nerf but the rest is true.
However, arkanor and spodumain is back, so I wouldn't say mining got nerfed.
DCM?
You should know...
i dont know enlighten me please 
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Eduard
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Posted - 2003.12.12 12:09:00 -
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I worry about more. Guys go and test chaos like I did.
I think 90% ppl goes upset. 10% ppl goes terribly happy. Actually now on chaos there are two mayor changes:
1st gate camping
2nd travel time
1st will make happy every single PKer. Pray stay under his guns at least 30 seconds :) guess then what will be result.
2nd implied by 1st every traveler need 1st fly from JIP around 9km then aligns in warp and warp. For average ship it would be around 20 seconds except for frigates with MWD. Then at going to gate average ship will spend 40 seconds at speed 300m/s. In total on impulse speed per one system one minute + warp time.
It will become nightmare for people with limited time to play. I guess these people will leave. Then all preys will leave because being ganged at every gate wouldn't make them happy.
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2003.12.12 12:10:00 -
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If you don't know it's true, just go to chaos... I haven't heard anything about a mining nerf but the rest is true.
However, arkanor and spodumain is back, so I wouldn't say mining got nerfed.
DCM?
You should know...
 just because the thing is calld the noob corps name im in aint a way for me to know if its comming
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Eduard
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Posted - 2003.12.12 12:12:00 -
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One add :) Guess what now even NPC pirates at gate being threat for people in frigate without MWD and for Industrial pilot without shield booster. LOL
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.12.12 12:18:00 -
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You telling me they have a warp-free zone directly at every JIP now too? Why that? I actually thought the god damned JIP camping would be over soon.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.12.12 12:23:00 -
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You telling me they have a warp-free zone directly at every JIP now too? Why that? I actually thought the god damned JIP camping would be over soon.
JIP = Gate
To be honest I don't know, but I think the non-warp zones are only in non empire space. I'm *NOT* sure, and I gotta go, not to chaos to check though. 
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Aturayd
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Posted - 2003.12.12 13:03:00 -
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BlackPLague, these patches that you say "nerf" everything up are to balamce the game to what the devs originally intended. Its a shame you didnt join last week, then you never would know what the changes would "screw up."
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Eduard
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Posted - 2003.12.12 13:09:00 -
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Nope. JIP just move from point in space to gate leading back to system where you come from. Unfortanetely WDS is 20km in radius and ships comming to system are randomly placed in shere at 11km radius. Jump gate radius is 2.5km now. So anyone who want warp from gate or jump back thru gate need go at least 9km on impulse.
I call it improved JIP because if pilot did use before autopilot he had chance to leave JIP before get blown. Now pilot have no chance even BS pilot facing few smart pilots in frigates supported by two BS from 30km to 50km distance is death meat.
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Khar'du
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Posted - 2003.12.12 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: Khar'du on 12/12/2003 13:10:53
About the warp in zone. If i remember correctly the decision on how large it will be wasn't taken and/or communicated yet. I could be wrong there, but it seems there's reason enough to reduce the no-warp zone to say 10km. So who'se to say it will not be done that way.
I think the idea to force attended travel and escorting is sound, but should not be overdone.
And there's always the map...
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Adliger Krieger
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Posted - 2003.12.12 13:39:00 -
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Some of us have been playing since before anyone could use MWD. People stillplayed. Sure traveling was boring. And it will be again. At least back then there was still a certain element of wonder to the Galaxy. Same ol same ol now.
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Sarena Sparrow
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Posted - 2003.12.12 13:43:00 -
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The new gate system is stupid. Even if you want to turn back and go through the gate you came from, you have 8km to travel while BS's take pot shots at you. forget about travelling if you are in a hauler. What a joke! This is worse than JIP camping. At least with JIP camping I was warping out before being hit. So now, you turn on your MWD to get to gate and your cap is gone as well. Nice job freaks. |
Monty Burns
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Posted - 2003.12.12 13:53:00 -
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OMG! It was a simple question... and you call it trolling?
..... blah blah blah ....
So with all those hard earned/invested months whats the problem in waiting until Monday before having a shot at something? If your really interested go play on the test server and judge it there.
Im gona chill, go with the flow and see how I (we are all going to have our opinions) like it.... stuff what anyone else says, its my call for me.
Cya and enjoy the weekend!
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Zarthan
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Posted - 2003.12.12 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: Zarthan on 12/12/2003 13:59:12
All you people moaning are soooo ignorant. Here is a simple little list of balances for you all so you'll see all is still well in the EVE universe.
JIP= No more pirates camping in .4-.1 space with the change, Yes it will be easier for them possibly to catch people in 0.0 but that's 0.0 not .4 to .1 which have lovely gate turrets. So now the carebres just got .4-.1 space back. Also they said untill you activate a moduel you'll be cloaked so your not going to get pot shot at untill your moving.
Targeting Speed- this ties into the previous as it's getting nerfed tremendosly. So while your mwd may not go as fast the people can't target you as fast either.
Tech 2- can only be good things.
the warp zone deal- Is a bookmark nerf, bookmarks were never ment to give you instant gate jumps. Space is suppose to take forever to travel in, it's not suppose to be able to be transversed in a day.
Misc- will be getting more bug fixes, more content, more agent missions, simply put more things to do. If you want to justify a reason to leave do it yourself dont troll yes i said troll because that's what you are no matter what you say. Nobody is going to confirm for you a reason to leave to make you feel better.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.12.12 13:57:00 -
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Could someone post a link to the thread that states that the new targetting/pvp/JIP/AB/MWD systems are going to hit the server with castor?
AFAIK, they are not, they've only been in testing for two weeks.
as for people cancelling accounts based on forum rumours of what people think might make it into the next patch... good. Anyone that stupid should probably stop using computers.
so I'd like the link please, before I call shenannigans on this whole thread.
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syndic4te
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Posted - 2003.12.12 14:06:00 -
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dam straight
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.12.12 14:07:00 -
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Ok guys let's calm down. I will be the first to admit that if the rumours are true it's probably the end of the line for me and my corp mates in EVE. That being said why don't we all wait to see what will happen instead of freaking about what might happen.
Maybe everybody won't need to join one of the giant corps to have a shot at new stuff. Maybe mining dosen't get hit too hard. Miners should be ok with being nerfed a little because everyone else has been.
Point is nobody know how it's going to shake out until it happens. So relax.
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Falhofnir
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Posted - 2003.12.12 14:34:00 -
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DM, i've seen several time TomB stating on irc that these changes would make it into castor release.
And zarthan, you have no clue, pirates will still camp .4 systems.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.12.12 14:41:00 -
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DM, i've seen several time TomB stating on irc that these changes would make it into castor release.
And zarthan, you have no clue, pirates will still camp .4 systems.
A number of things are making 'into' the castor patch, including mobile refineries, these changes, a load of techII stuff, new agents, new ships, etc.
But, like mobo refineries, I very much doubt these changes will be 'switched on' immediately. Mobile refineries have been on chaos for weeks, and are going to be 'in' castor, but they will not be available for some time, until balance issues can be dealt with.
I really don't think they'd put these changes on the live server with barely two weeks of testing, especially considering the feedback they're getting.
And yes, pirates will still camp 0.4 systems. If these changes are heading in the direction I think they are, then 0.4 miners are going to be among the first targets. Goodbye magnetic field realignment, hello ransom demands.
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.12.12 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: Ana Khouri on 12/12/2003 16:38:06
Edit: Er.. Nevermind, it will only be possible in 0.0. They removed the nowarp zones in secure (aka 0.1 - 1.0) space.
Still, this means that blockades in 0.0 space will be 100% foolproof, expect a stronger force warps in.
The "new" JIP camping:
Background:
All gates now have a 20k no-warp zone around them - this disables instawarp BM, too. You will now stop warping at 20k and will jump 2.5k from a gate.
When using a gate you will now jump to the gate in the next system, you will appear around 12k from that gate.
Which means you will have around 8-10k to travel before you can warp away (or jump to the previous system). With the AB/MWD nerfs this will take quite some time - a scorp with a large MWD has a top speed of 700ms. Indies will crawl at 200-300 ms.
Since the gate scramble your target for you you don't need to place ships within the sentries range to do that. So, pirates can camp in 0.4-0.1 simply by placing some LR BS (tachyons or 1400s most likely) outside the sentrys range (50k, right?) with 2-3 sensor boosters and kill ships as soon as they appear.
Indys will have zero chance of survival, BS and cruisers could *perhaps* make it if they use 2 MWDs. And as a nice bonus the camping pirates will have *plenty* of time to flee should a hunter force warp in, since they will be 40-60 km away from any point where those will warp in.
And in 0.0 they can use besides the ganking LR ships frigs near the gate to web incoming victims, enabling them to kill everything which comes through, even if it is using multiple MWDs (as long as the force isn't stronger than them).
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Ajari Joan
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Posted - 2003.12.12 15:58:00 -
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Another topic which goes into the neverending depths of "senseless"!
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cball
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Posted - 2003.12.12 16:02:00 -
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OMG! It was a simple question... and you call it trolling?
With the numbers going down all the time... and now with the nerfs basically killing days/weeks of training... I am curious on how many will/are leaning towards leaving EVE. Why spend my hard earned jack on a game that ends up having only a few hundred peeps online?
Again, it was a simple question.... dunno why you got your panties in a wad....
troll
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cball
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Posted - 2003.12.12 16:04:00 -
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People always whine about changes. Every. Single. Change.
I am so tired of it.
you need a viceroy cookie
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cball
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Posted - 2003.12.12 16:04:00 -
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i CANT believe how many get all puffy chest for a simple inquiry... sheesh!
The question is simple... no "whining"... no pre detirmined judgements.... a simple question. The rationale for the question could be found above...as well as the original question....
you keep trolling
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Kunming
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Posted - 2003.12.12 16:04:00 -
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I'd say ppl will be comming back instead of leaving.
Many quiting posts were ending with the msg: "Maybe I'll return after tech 2 is on TQ".
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cball
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Posted - 2003.12.12 16:08:00 -
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Could someone post a link to the thread that states that the new targetting/pvp/JIP/AB/MWD systems are going to hit the server with castor?
AFAIK, they are not, they've only been in testing for two weeks.
as for people cancelling accounts based on forum rumours of what people think might make it into the next patch... good. Anyone that stupid should probably stop using computers.
so I'd like the link please, before I call shenannigans on this whole thread.
translation = stop trolling with baseless rumors
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cball
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Posted - 2003.12.12 16:09:00 -
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The new gate system is stupid. Even if you want to turn back and go through the gate you came from, you have 8km to travel while BS's take pot shots at you. forget about travelling if you are in a hauler. What a joke! This is worse than JIP camping. At least with JIP camping I was warping out before being hit. So now, you turn on your MWD to get to gate and your cap is gone as well. Nice job freaks.
troll
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Drurrden
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Posted - 2003.12.12 16:14:00 -
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I can only say, that I have changed my 1-month abo to 6-month abo.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.12 16:22:00 -
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"If all or a good portion the "pre-patch" info is true (mining nerf, mwd/ab nerf, gates, etc) how many will leave Eve?"
42.
(incidentally, it's 42nd post in the thread, which is definitely a proof 'tis the correct answer. :s
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.12.12 17:06:00 -
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I can't believe you wasted that on this thread, j0.
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m0jo
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Posted - 2003.12.12 17:19:00 -
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Well damn......If these rumors are tr00 this sux, but im not one to be too judgemental, however I am 9 days from finishing Gallente Indy lv 5. If these changes do take place I can sense myself buying new mk5's every week.
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pooti
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Posted - 2003.12.12 17:19:00 -
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I'm a little worried about tech II, and the implications for players like me who can't get into empire space/to agents, but overall I'm super excited about the changes, especially after testing them on chaos.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.12 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 12/12/2003 17:20:57
"I can't believe you wasted that on this thread, j0."
Sorry, the 2 x 42 coincidence was just too good to pass it up... -.^
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pooti
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Posted - 2003.12.12 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: pooti on 12/12/2003 17:23:00
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Well damn......If these rumors are tr00 this sux, but im not one to be too judgemental, however I am 9 days from finishing Gallente Indy lv 5. If these changes do take place I can sense myself buying new mk5's every week.
Damn straight.
Carry some nice expanders, please.
I've yet to lose a bs in Eve, but given these changes I give my Raven a few days at most.
But who cares!
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2003.12.12 17:54:00 -
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i guess only the people not playing this game to day will quit. meening them who anyway dont play this game as a multiplayer online game will quit. becouse now it will be harder to play it alone (im not even sure of that)
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2003.12.12 18:14:00 -
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You all missed the Blue Print Nerf. No more idenfinite bps....
I feel the more complex the game the more people will play. Sheeze why did you start playing eve anyway. This game breaks so many standards in online games its great.
I understand its a beginning to what games will be like. Wait till the market comes in. Social skills will be here and change major aspects of the game.
What is funny is that if you think about this game its more real life than many want. Battle forces in real life is not two battle ships... you have all sort of support ships.
Consider the a/b and MWD adjustment like what they do in NASCAR. Sure you can go super fast but realisticly there should be restraint. When you mwd to a gate now you bounce before you jump. Soo they are reducing the speed to allow safe travel.
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Phoibos
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Posted - 2003.12.13 06:41:00 -
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Guys I just wanted to say that Monday might _not_ tell. These changes are so large so it will likely take quite some time for all of us to figure out what the true benefits and negative sides are. But give the devs a break please, changes sound great.
But perhaps you thought it was fun to fly at 114000km/2 with 3 mwd?
/Phoibos
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Loraine Riesel
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Posted - 2003.12.13 09:09:00 -
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Just one line:
CCP can prepare for a huge drop in players (ie: loose much income in $$ ÇÇ), when implementing the non-empire-BS-mining, JIP feature, change in mwd's and afterburners with the implementation of the patch this Monday! |
Uuldahan
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Posted - 2003.12.13 09:54:00 -
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I'M TIRED OF ALL THESE TINY WHINERS ON FORUMS, PLEASE TRY TO HELP THIS GAME INSTEAD OF LOOSING YOUR TIME, COULD THE CREATOR OF THIS THREAD GO ON CHAOS AND TEST, THANK YOU
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NastyLlama
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Posted - 2003.12.13 10:12:00 -
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Edited by: NastyLlama on 13/12/2003 10:22:23
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The question is simple... no "whining"... no pre detirmined judgements.... a simple question. The rationale for the question could be found above...as well as the original question....
Well I love the game, even after some of the terible chaos from the patches over the last 6 months or so, but If travel times get realy big, then I cant see me wanting to do all that extra traveling, agent missions would for me, be just to painfull, I cant say I will, but it sounds like it could be the end for me in this grate game.
Time will tell
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