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Michael Bross
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Posted - 2007.02.09 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: Michael Bross on 09/02/2007 14:58:00
Finally a noble Matari has come forth and revealed the duplicity of the Republic government.
"The order for the operation was given by Prime Minister Karin Midular's war cabinet and carried out by an Admiral of the Republic Fleet,"
Thus they admit to being behind the death of Karishal Muritor!
"We had determined through an extensive campaign of intelligence-gathering operations ... that Karishal Muritor's group of terrorists were posing a threat to our relations with foreign powers ...
Further they do so in order to placate the scum of the Amarrian Empire! Their true colors are evident...
Muritor had agreed to a conversation under a banner of truce agreed to between him the Admiral,
They violate the sacred right of the truce! Murder! Murder!
Muritor, who himself refused to open fire on Republic Fleet forces.
If he is such a threat to the Republic, why did he not fire? Have the Republic Marines become incapable of a boarding action since I have left their ranks!
...sources from within their administrative wing have reported that the (Amarrian) Chamberlain is "eminently satisfied" with the results of the Fleet's operation.
Beg for assylum from your new masters Karin Midular. For the charge is murder... Muritor will be avenged! Your administration and your fleet lackies will be punished for your crimes!
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Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.09 15:03:00 -
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Laugh of the week, nice job.
I have always claimed, and still do, that Brutors have many uses besides their ability to do labor.
Can you do more tricks?
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Sapphrine
Kinda'Shujaa
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.09 15:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Gaius Kador
Laugh of the week, nice job.
I have always claimed, and still do, that Brutors have many uses besides their ability to do labor.
Can you do more tricks?
yes I believe that he helps destroy Amarr Battlestations between podding slavers.
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Ostos Marek
House of Marek
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Posted - 2007.02.09 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphrine
yes I believe that he helps destroy Amarr Battlestations between podding slavers.
Gaius, they can be comedians too!
Right... destroying amarr battlestations. Heh, here's a biscuit. Good boy.
Bust out those kill mails about those alleged Battlestations destroyed... I'm interested.
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Deren Thaldrel
Minmatar
Black Watch Legionnaires
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.09 15:31:00 -
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The Galnet Report is clear Republic Fleet Claims Responsibility for Muritor's Death. Look at what has become of the republic Namitzaar K'in and any others who would look to aid this flawed institution. It is no longer worthy of the support of any Matari who desires freedom or to preserve it. The fact that the fleet's actions are viewed as 'satisfying' to the Amarr utterly disgusts me. Bringing comfort to our enemies is the language of treason and that is exactly what the Republic's leadership has done. They have betrayed the people they claim to represent, appeased the Amarr, and set us down a more dangerous path than they admit or realize. If not murder, then certainly treason.
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Malena Panic
Gallente
Acme Technologies Incorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.09 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ostos Marek
Bust out those kill mails about those alleged Battlestations destroyed... I'm interested.
Bleak Lands Nexus of Mounting Minmatar/Amarr Tensions
In this case, you may be forgiven your boastful ignorance; the Amarr-controlled media within the insular borders of the Empire are notoriously censored and unreliable.
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Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.09 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphrine
Originally by: Gaius Kador
Laugh of the week, nice job.
I have always claimed, and still do, that Brutors have many uses besides their ability to do labor.
Can you do more tricks?
yes I believe that he helps destroy Amarr Battlestations between podding slavers.
You are the stooge who broke his comms relay unit in local when EX CAPTAIN MURITOR WAS BETRAYED AND TERMINATED, are you not? Made me laugh that one as well...
Your peanutcase must have been bulging.
Full points for effort, but brutors are more amusing, you just lack the natural talent.
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Popsikle
Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.02.09 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Popsikle on 09/02/2007 18:02:10
Originally by: Deren Thaldrel
The Galnet Report is clear Republic Fleet Claims Responsibility for Muritor's Death. Look at what has become of the republic Namitzaar K'in and any others who would look to aid this flawed institution. It is no longer worthy of the support of any Matari who desires freedom or to preserve it. The fact that the fleet's actions are viewed as 'satisfying' to the Amarr utterly disgusts me. Bringing comfort to our enemies is the language of treason and that is exactly what the Republic's leadership has done. They have betrayed the people they claim to represent, appeased the Amarr, and set us down a more dangerous path than they admit or realize. If not murder, then certainly treason.
Stop with the bickering already. You do what you do, let NMTZ do what they do, and stop dragging arguments between our own people everywhere. I thought you were more mature then that, I guess I was wrong.
Just because you don't like Pacal, doesn't mean what they do within the republic space is not supporting the people, grow up already and stop being so petty. If NMTZ/EM were not within the republic protecting the people there, who would? Obviously not the Republic, by your own admissions. If you guys weren't on the front lines of the Amarr infractions, who would seek to free our people in shackles. Obviously not the Republic, by your own admissions again.
Grow up and realize its a two sided war, and neither one of the Alliances have the resources to do both so you need to start working as a team or there is no hope left for us. Its obvious the republic needs to change, but to attack one another is not going to get anything done.
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Midnighter
Liberal Trading Co
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.02.09 19:10:00 -
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Muritor was a criminal who had stolen billions worth of military equipment that is being replaced at the expense of the Republic and the people who depend upon it.
He has committed and instigated behaviour unbefitting an officer, dereliction of duty and a host of other military and civil crimes.
Did you expect the Republic to turn him into the Minmatar poster boy?
No, they held a court martial in absentia and sentenced him to death.
The Republic had every right to execute him.
He was a great man with a strong spirit and determination, and stood as an icon to many for his bold stand.
But what he did was wrong and criminal and he stood accountable for his actions. That speaks loudly to me of his discipline, intelligence and honour.
What he stood for was bold.
What he did was wrong.
He is a martyr now.
He will be missed.
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Jalmari Vaara
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.09 19:57:00 -
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They violate the sacred right of the truce! Murder! Murder!
Whereas he violated the right of.....not stealing your government's ships and using them to attack a foreign power. Treason! Treason! Which is usually punishable by Death! Death!
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Mah Kraah
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:32:00 -
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when karishal joind the ranks of the fleet he swor that he will do his best to protect and serve the minmatar race. he served in the fleet for long, had enough insight to judge the situation and to decide that this trail of actions was the only way to fullfill what he once has promissed in the name of matar. he just did his job and used the fleetvessels in the way it was meant when they where produced.
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Michael Bross
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Midnighter
Muritor was a criminal who had stolen billions worth of military equipment that is being replaced at the expense of the Republic and the people who depend upon it.
He has committed and instigated behaviour unbefitting an officer, dereliction of duty and a host of other military and civil crimes.
Did you expect the Republic to turn him into the Minmatar poster boy?
No, they held a court martial in absentia and sentenced him to death.
The Republic had every right to execute him.
He was a great man with a strong spirit and determination, and stood as an icon to many for his bold stand.
But what he did was wrong and criminal and he stood accountable for his actions. That speaks loudly to me of his discipline, intelligence and honour.
What he stood for was bold.
What he did was wrong.
He is a martyr now.
He will be missed.
Must I remind you of the Republics decalration against the good Captain.
"In a statement issued by the Republic Fleet an hour after receiveing the broadcast, a fleet representative declared Karishal Muritor and all of his followers outlaws. The Republic Fleet also vowed to bring Captain Muritor into Republic custody and promptly dispatched a task force headed by Vice-Admiral Kanth Filmir."
Yes he stole from the Republic. This I do not deny. Yet I have seen no evidence of a Courts Marshal against the Captain. Orders were created and assigned within an HOUR!
Maybe my eyes decieve me after so many battles. But I do belive Vice Admiral Filmir was tasked to bring the Captain into custody. Thus the Captains obvious execution style murder under the pledge of truce would be nothing short of a war crime against any other man.
The Prime Ministers office and the Fleet command must be brought to justice!
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Midnighter
Liberal Trading Co
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.02.10 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: The Republic"
"The order for the operation was given by Prime Minister Karin Midular's war cabinet and carried out by an Admiral of the Republic Fleet," said the source at a press conference in Renyn yesterday afternoon. "We had determined through an extensive campaign of intelligence-gathering operations ... that Karishal Muritor's group of terrorists were posing a threat to our relations with foreign powers ... [and] by association implicating the Republic in military action it has never instigated nor condoned. Muritor was a threat to the safety of our Republic, a threat that very unfortunately necessitated removal by any means."
It's quite clear, the highest military bodies discussed the problem of the rebels actions and his attacks on other sovriegn powers and he was executed.
So, heads of military discussed the crimes and upon the evidence brought forth authority for execution was given.
That's a court martial.
The process by which the military decides and administers the punishment of members of the military subject to military law.
You seem to be skipping over all the parts where the Captain committed crimes and was in seriously danger of bringing the other governments down on our heads for unsanctioned raids in others sovriegn space.
You may agree with everything Muritor did.
You may see no fault in his actions.
You may not agree with his punishment.
But that does NOT make you right.
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Patamon
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Posted - 2007.02.10 13:27:00 -
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It seems that everyone is cherrypicking this news to suit their purpose:
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"We had determined through an extensive campaign of intelligence-gathering operations ... that Karishal Muritor's group of terrorists were posing a threat to our relations with foreign powers ... [and] by association implicating the Republic in military action it has never instigated nor condoned. Muritor was a threat to the safety of our Republic, a threat that very unfortunately necessitated removal by any means."
Now some are using this as an excuse to attack the current government but the truth is this is a good thing. Stable relations means we have peace for our people at home and have a chance to rebuild and strengthen our Republic. As such the actions by Muritor where indriectly threatening the lives of innocents within the Republic. I do NOT feel this was his intent but none the less this was a consquence of his actions.
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After a brief exchange of words, it became clear that Muritor would not cease and desist in his actions against the Amarr Empire, and the Admiral deployed a strike force which held and attacked the rebel leader.
This line of the report seems to be skipped by those seeking blood over this. An attempt was made to talk him in, it was not the plan from the start to kill him but to let in come in peacefully.
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Members of Matari paramilitary organization the Ushra'Khan who were present at the scene at this point opened fire on the Admiral's forces, but were told to cease and desist by both the Admiral and Muritor, who himself refused to open fire on Republic Fleet forces. According to reports, his last words, before his vessel went up in bright ball of flame, were "Do not forget what we achieved with so few. Do not forget."
Now at this point we need to read the part about how he would not open fire. His example here is something the UK and others seem to have missed, even if WRONG he is willing to accept the soveriegnty of the Republic and it's authority. You speak of how great he is and yet you dishonor his memory and his actions by performing an act in his name which we KNOW he would not condone or accept.
While he has done some wrong and there was a consequence I believe he felt he was always doing the best for his people, I respect that. I also respect that he accepted the consequences of his actions freely and would not abandon ANY of his principles when those consequences came for him.
If you want to honor him then act as he did, accept the authority that our government has. If you disagree with our government do as myself and others have and call for a mandate of the people on this matter. However putting bounties on the head of the Prime Minister and making baseless accusations, calling for death of our people, these are NOT the actions that this man would have wanted or condone.
Those that speak these evil TARNISH the memory of a great man and they are the true disease in our society. A group of people that know only hate. We have spent so much of time seeking to destroy things that we have forgotten what we most need, to BUILD our people back up. The time has come to end the hate and rage and work for the people of the Republic not against others. If they come we will defeat them, if they attack we will defend and then destroy. However we do not need to seek fights without when we have the chance to build within.
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Taurevanime
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Posted - 2007.02.11 02:24:00 -
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Patamon spoke wise words that many should heed, and I wish to add to them.
Yes Karishal Muritor was a great man, he fought against the evil Amarr slavers to free our people because he felt the Republic wasn't doing enough. And he had great success in this endeavor despite the lack of size of his forces. But we must not forget that he wasn't a saint, he did bad things as well as no man is perfect. To accept that is a great way to honour him.
And I can personally understand the reasoning behind the Republics actions. Here they have a renagade officer of the fleet, that is attacking a foe, but a foe with which they have a truce, a very fragile truce at that. They feared that his actions would provoke the Amarr into doing that none of us want to see, and that is all out war. And next to that, the fact that one rogue officer could not even be controlled by this new fledgling republic, made them seem weak and incompetent to not just our enemies, but also everyone else. So they decided to take hard actions which is understandable.
But to kill him when arriving under a banner of truce was not the way to do it. And the mass outcry of the Matari people against those responsible in the Republic for that action is clear proof of it. But to fight over it is not the way. We have to find a diplomatic solution, because a civil war is just the thing that our enemies want us to have.
My own personal advice would be that the Republic grants Muritor a funeral befitting a true hero and formally appologize for his death. And those that are responsible for an arrest to escelate in a murder step down from their position. I think that this would please most Matari while also allowing the Republic to remain in existance and safe face.
We might be of different tribes and we might have different goals and ideals, but we are all Matari, let us only fight each other with words from this day on, rather than weapons.
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Michael Bross
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Posted - 2007.02.11 04:25:00 -
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After a brief exchange of words, it became clear that Muritor would not cease and desist in his actions against the Amarr Empire, and the Admiral deployed a strike force which HELD and attacked the rebel leader.
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This line of the report seems to be skipped by those seeking blood over this. An attempt was made to talk him in, it was not the plan from the start to kill him but to let in come in peacefully.
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Maybe its just me. But it appears everyone on all sides has agreed that Karishal Muritor did not open fire on Republic vessels and never had the intention to. The key word was HELD. SIX yes SIX Republic Fleet Tempests had the good Captain webbed and scrambled. I highly doubt he could have just run off at his pleasure. When I served as a fleet Marine, we boarded many a smugglers vessel using the same tactics. Could the same not have been done here?
The answer is NO! This mission was never intended to capture the Captain. The Vice-Admiral was reminded of his "ORDERS" right before Fleet forces opened fire on Captain Muritor. This mission was intended from the begining to neutralize the Captain. However it was accomplised under the flag of truce. Thus his death constitutes a war crime.
Blood has been spilled... So shall blood be spilled...
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Icarus Thorne
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Posted - 2007.02.11 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: Taurevanime
But to kill him when arriving under a banner of truce was not the way to do it.
I agree. I was dismayed how they violated a flag of truce and deployed against him. It dishonors the entire fleet. |
Chishan
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.11 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Patamon
If you want to honor him then act as he did, accept the authority that our government has. If you disagree with our government do as myself and others have and call for a mandate of the people on this matter. However putting bounties on the head of the Prime Minister and making baseless accusations, calling for death of our people, these are NOT the actions that this man would have wanted or condone.
Those that speak these evil TARNISH the memory of a great man and they are the true disease in our society. A group of people that know only hate. We have spent so much of time seeking to destroy things that we have forgotten what we most need, to BUILD our people back up. The time has come to end the hate and rage and work for the people of the Republic not against others. If they come we will defeat them, if they attack we will defend and then destroy. However we do not need to seek fights without when we have the chance to build within.
You make an incorrect assumption. Karishal Muritor never submited to Republic authority once he liberated his forces. If he had, you can be assured he would have left orders for his forces to stand down. Don't mistake his sacrifice as some kind of admission of guilt or submission to authority. To do so would be the true dishonor. It was an example to all Matari, which we followed. Which we continue to follow. The great shame goes to Filmir and his death squad. They clearly had no regard for Muritor's life, as a Matari, friend or ex-comrade. Midular, Filmir and any other that is connected with this foul order are the ones without honor.
So don't presume to tell us how to honor Muritor. We flew under his command, fought and bled for him. We will honor him in our way, as the Defiants have entrusted us.
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Michael Bross
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Posted - 2007.02.12 09:35:00 -
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Thank you sister Chishan. You correctly point out the thoughts of the good Captain as he approached the meeting with Midular's lackey.
To Vice-Admiral Filmir... It is my suggestion that you salvage what little if any honor and integrity you have left and disclose a full report on the commands you recieved to execute the good Captain. Honor your friend Muritor and come clean. The Fleet still needs good commanders. I could find forgiveness in my heart if you would lead us to the head of the viper, so we may cut it off. The choice is your's Filmir. Though I do hope you still wish to walk the path of honor and redeam yourself.
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tarifa
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Icarus Thorne
Originally by: Taurevanime
But to kill him when arriving under a banner of truce was not the way to do it.
I agree. I was dismayed how they violated a flag of truce and deployed against him. It dishonors the entire fleet.
that is an act that even pirates or worse the amarrians will never do and we have done that to our Hero.
SHAME SHAME
Midular Resign NOW
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zoolkhan
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:35:00 -
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...also there was not a court martial, there was nothing.
He was assasinated. That's it. And even in the moment of his
death he refused to shoot at his people, his former comrades
from the republic fleet. Someone who doesnt shoot, could have easily
been captured - but wasnt.
U'K recruit!
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.12 13:28:00 -
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The order for the operation was given by Prime Minister Karin Midular's war cabinet and carried out by an Admiral of the Republic Fleet
Sounds enough like a court martial in the Captain's absence, to me. He had the chance to return for one, which he declined.
This whole debate is nonsensical. Muritor was a traitor, and a threat to our security. He had to be removed. No one likes it, but there are things that need to be done even though no one likes them, or likes to do them.
Yes, you might argue that a government that needs to do something this bad, that has not been able to stop it before things go to such extremes, needs to be replaced. And that is fine and good. But the fact remains: it was Karishal Muritor who brought about his own death.
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Neuromandis
EPSILON TEAM
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.13 02:49:00 -
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Edited by: Neuromandis on 13/02/2007 02:49:03
Please, the man is dead. Let him rest. There is no need to divide and bicker on the action of another man, even the head of the Minmatar Republic. We think he was assassinated, you think he was executed. We think he was a hero, you think he was a thief. We think it was a dreadful atrocity and trason, you think it was justice.
Still, it is the president that called the shot. Not us, not you, not another Capsuleer organisation working for the Minmatar.
Still, the President's office is shaking. The people's faith is shaking. I know not which way the people's will will fall, but it is the time to ask them.
Call for elections.
No more bickering amongst people that share the same goals. Let the people decide, and let us all accept the decision. If someone thinks they decided unworthily, he may LEAVE them and sever all ties. The bickering is meaningless...
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:09:00 -
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Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 13/02/2007 09:06:16
Originally by: Neuromandis
Please, the man is dead. Let him rest.
I will, when you will.
Stop using a fallen hero to drive the Republic to destruction.
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Neuromandis
EPSILON TEAM
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.13 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
I will, when you will.
Stop using a fallen hero to drive the Republic to destruction.
I have.
I never did.
That was a call form me directed to everyone now that things were beginning to cool off a bit, and not directed to you personally. I understand that ALL wars, even undeclared ones, have casualties, friendly fire, martyrs, executions. Pick which suits your view of the situation.
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Chishan
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.19 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 13/02/2007 09:06:16
Originally by: Neuromandis
Please, the man is dead. Let him rest.
I will, when you will.
Stop using a fallen hero to drive the Republic to destruction.
I feel it too. A force that drives us all to destruction. We point our fingers at you, and you return with the same. The feeling that someone, something is driving us into darkness is apparent to many of us trapped within this tragic nightmare.
Searching the U'K archives, studying the words of Muritor, it has become my belief that he knew of a darkness within the Republic. He spoke of those who seemed to behave unusually. It's hard to pin down, he only mentioned it a few times, in passing. Yet, from what I, what we all know of Muritor, his reasons for leaving the Republic must have been extreme beyond belief. Which must be why he kept them close. These resons, beyond the ones that drive us all, must be why he lost faith in his Republic.
I believe that Midular lies in the heart of this web. Whether she is pawn or puppeteer remains to be seen. She must be dragged into the light and she must be made to answer. Where is the Insorum? What of our enslaved peoples? I beg the IGS to consider my words. Especially those of the Sebiestor tribe. You are her people, she must answer to you. If she refuses, ask yourself what she has to fear from the truth.
We all see the encroaching darkness, yet of the Matari here I see no shadows. Who dares remain silent in such times? Those who do not wish to be seen pulling the strings. Midular is silent as a spider.
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Kaleigh Doyle
Bloodveil
The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.02.19 04:02:00 -
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Karin Midular has committed mass murder and genocide with her ineptitude by letting the degredation of Minmatar society escalate to all out violence. The betrayal and assassination of Karishal Muritor only confirms her treasonous behavior and must be set an example of. To let her reign in office would be tantamount to the same inaction that has led the Republic's downward spiral for the last year.
Death is the only way to set this right.
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Venitas
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Posted - 2007.02.19 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
Karin Midular has committed mass murder and genocide with her ineptitude by letting the degredation of Minmatar society escalate to all out violence. The betrayal and assassination of Karishal Muritor only confirms her treasonous behavior and must be set an example of. To let her reign in office would be tantamount to the same inaction that has led the Republic's downward spiral for the last year.
Death is the only way to set this right.
You are of the Sani Sabik now, are you not? Not of the Republic or the Empire; nor of the so-called freedom fighters, and not even of the allies of any of the aforementioned parties. What interest have you in these matters, cultist?
Ah, yes; I see it now. The inevitable result of the 'civil' war between the matari factions which your words encourage.
Death and blood.
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Samuel Havrez
Minmatar
Seekers of Lost Eden
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Posted - 2007.02.19 11:53:00 -
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Nay. It is shame of Republic Cabinet, not the Fleet. Fleet was just a pawn in this matter, just used to get rid of man who did that Cabinet do not dare. Fight against Amarr oppressors.
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