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Meklon
Caldari
Minmatar United Freedom Front
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.02.09 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Meklon on 09/02/2007 19:43:03
Edited by: Meklon on 09/02/2007 19:42:02
Greetings all,
As I am sure the majority of you are aware, recent actions have led to the demise of a honoured former captain of the Republic Fleet, Karishal Muritor. With the recent announcement of the Republic and the varying levels of reaction from the Matari community in general, I believe it is time for fresh elections for the position of Prime Minister within the Republic.
This is not only for those of us who are gifted with the Capsule technology, but also for those of us who are planet-bound with no voice's to be heard within this GalNet.
While I am sure that many of us do not agree with the decision to have Karishal Muritor summarily executed, I believe it should be the voice of the people we protect who should make the final call on who leads us in the wake of these events.
As such, I call for the Republic Parliament to begin arrangements for a new election, the candidates to be announced as soon as possible so that we can begin attempts to smooth this incident over and continue giving 100% of our resources to the defense of the Matari.
However, for those of you who call for Midular's head, I ask you this, would you accept the decision of the Matari if Midular was re-elected... and more importantly, will you revoke your bounty for this election phase to allow the event to be both impartial and risk free?
I believe the Republic governing bodies, as far as I see it at this moment in time, surely have no further choices on this matter unless they wish to bring the Matari people into civil war, we are already standing on the brink... will you help to make people step back?
Meklon
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Nachshon
Caldari
Gradient
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.09 19:51:00 -
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Petition calling for new elections here
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Meklon
Caldari
Minmatar United Freedom Front
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.02.09 19:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Nachshon
Petition calling for new elections here
That my dear Nachshon is merely a petition of Non-Confidence which in essence would dismiss Karin Midular from any possible future attempts at office.
Should the Matari people wish to re-elect her, would you agree to their decision? Perhaps they agree with her methods... perhaps they do not, but by cancelling her out from future elections will make sure we never know if the Matari believe her methods were right or wrong.
As such, this request stands.
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Nachshon
Caldari
Gradient
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:16:00 -
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A no-confidence vote is basically an election. If the majority of Matari people vote for her, then that means they still have confidence in her, at which point, I will accept their will.
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Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: Evanda Char on 09/02/2007 20:31:53
/signed
Like Meklon, I'm stating it here because I'm not looking to take a stance on this part of your statement, Nachshon:
Originally by: "Nachshon"
I no longer believe that you are fit to lead the Republic.
I just want to see the people make a choice in light of what has been done.
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Nachshon
Caldari
Gradient
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:43:00 -
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Thank you for your courtesy.
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Patamon
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:49:00 -
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signed...
I agree with the others here, this is not about if the Prime Minister is fit but if the people of the Republic accept the actions taken.
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Sholar
Minmatar
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:05:00 -
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I completely agree.
The actions of the Republic government must be backed by a public mandate. This is a time to bring the question of our leadership before the Matari people so we all can decide how we wish our nation to be defended.
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Pezzle
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:07:00 -
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Perhaps someone could explain this to me.
You decide to hold elections, supposedly agreeing as a group to abide by the results until the proper term. Then you decide you are unhappy with your results because you disagree with your elected leader. Now you want a special election to get rid of them before the end of service? Is this the government version of 'take backs'?
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Agustus Caesar
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Pezzle
Perhaps someone could explain this to me.
You decide to hold elections, supposedly agreeing as a group to abide by the results until the proper term. Then you decide you are unhappy with your results because you disagree with your elected leader. Now you want a special election to get rid of them before the end of service? Is this the government version of 'take backs'?
No, it's called democracy in action, look it up. Our elected leaders serve the people's pleasure, if they no longer serve to our satisfaction we remove them; they're elected representatives, not temporary dictators. The term lengths are just a measure of convinience and most representatives are allowed to serve out there terms unless a major scandal (like the assasination of a popular figure) takes place, at which time the people can vote to have a special election to decide if the elected figure in question should stay in office.
Clear enough for you?
-Caesar
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Meklon
Caldari
Minmatar United Freedom Front
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Pezzle
Perhaps someone could explain this to me.
You decide to hold elections, supposedly agreeing as a group to abide by the results until the proper term. Then you decide you are unhappy with your results because you disagree with your elected leader. Now you want a special election to get rid of them before the end of service? Is this the government version of 'take backs'?
If I am not mistaken (and please, do correct me if I am), Midular was not so much elected by the people, she was elected by Voluval - in essence she was born for this position.
However, seeing the varying responses from a proportion of the pod piloting Matari population, I believe it is only fitting to see if those who do not have access to the technology we have (ie : Those planetside) agree with the actions of their government or believe it is time for change. Hence the call for an election to see if they believe Midular has acted for them or not - if they believe she has, then she will more than likely remain in position, however, if they believe she has acted against their best interests then obviously a new Prime Minister will come to power.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:01:00 -
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I support this call for election. Time for the people to select the manner in which they are led.
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Retromash
Minmatar
Order of the Lamp
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Posted - 2007.02.10 00:59:00 -
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I support this call for election. In the event an election takes place, I will hope for a choice of candidates who are worthy and qualified for the position.
Now accepting nominations.
PMS - It's not just for THAT time of the month
Menopause - It doesn't mean THAT time of the month goes away.
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Dak Hakin
Frogly Enterprises
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.02.10 03:38:00 -
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Signed
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I am the devil, and I'm here to do the devils work.
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Ugleb
Khumatari Holdings
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.10 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Meklon
If I am not mistaken (and please, do correct me if I am), Midular was not so much elected by the people, she was elected by Voluval - in essence she was born for this position.
The Voluval does not signal one to be a great and wise leader, even for one bearing the Ray of Matar upon the face. Truly it marks one for great things but that alone does not make a leader. Midular rose from obscurity to the top of Republic government, but perhaps that is not her true calling. Such a portent opens many doors, perhaps not all of them lead to the final destination. She is no longer fit to lead and we cannot rely purely on portents to choose our leader.
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Scaramouche
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.10 15:07:00 -
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I agree, let the people choose!
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Niraad Khaaz
Minmatar
Encina Technologies
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.10 15:43:00 -
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signed
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Nachshon
Caldari
Gradient
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.13 01:29:00 -
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signed
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Neuromandis
EPSILON TEAM
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.13 02:43:00 -
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Edited by: Neuromandis on 13/02/2007 02:39:47
/signed
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zoolkhan
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.13 08:38:00 -
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signed
a military commander resigned, karin herself didnt show up
no representant of the political-goverment of the republic showed
up during the protest yesterday around planet matar.
why is that?
i can only speculate:
they dont have satisfying answers to our many questions.
they sacrify a pawn - somebody resigned. but it was not the one
who gave the order for assasination (or execution, depends on your angle)
i appreciate his words and his resignement, but it was karins resignement
that would have mattered. Not the one of a executor.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:11:00 -
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Did you listen to what the Admiral said, zool? Did you hear one word of it?
I despair.
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Teo Kiesh
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Posted - 2007.02.13 10:16:00 -
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Zoolkhan, you say you appreciate Admirals words and were willing to recruit him after he resigned, but still you don't understand the meaning of those words. The Republic is the only thing that stands between the folks on planetside and darkness. Tear that down and you are responsible for their futures.
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Kebabski
Yiotul Fighters
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.13 10:58:00 -
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Petition signed for new elections
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tarifa
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Posted - 2007.02.13 11:14:00 -
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Signed
Go for elections now
I believe that Midular will not be reelected but if that happens i will follow his lead ..
freedom means to give power to people to decide their government even they disagree with some actions.
Free mind - free to choose who to follow - free to talk about your thoughts
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Lux Simian
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Posted - 2007.02.13 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Meklon
Edited by: Meklon on 09/02/2007 19:43:03
Edited by: Meklon on 09/02/2007 19:42:02
Greetings all,
As I am sure the majority of you are aware, recent actions have led to the demise of a honoured former captain of the Republic Fleet, Karishal Muritor. With the recent announcement of the Republic and the varying levels of reaction from the Matari community in general, I believe it is time for fresh elections for the position of Prime Minister within the Republic.
This is not only for those of us who are gifted with the Capsule technology, but also for those of us who are planet-bound with no voice's to be heard within this GalNet.
While I am sure that many of us do not agree with the decision to have Karishal Muritor summarily executed, I believe it should be the voice of the people we protect who should make the final call on who leads us in the wake of these events.
As such, I call for the Republic Parliament to begin arrangements for a new election, the candidates to be announced as soon as possible so that we can begin attempts to smooth this incident over and continue giving 100% of our resources to the defense of the Matari.
However, for those of you who call for Midular's head, I ask you this, would you accept the decision of the Matari if Midular was re-elected... and more importantly, will you revoke your bounty for this election phase to allow the event to be both impartial and risk free?
I believe the Republic governing bodies, as far as I see it at this moment in time, surely have no further choices on this matter unless they wish to bring the Matari people into civil war, we are already standing on the brink... will you help to make people step back?
Meklon
If such election results in Midulars re-election, it would be better to abide by the will of the people, rather than risk disunity in a time or rising Amarr incursions and conficts. The will of the people if it is such outweighs the desire of individual desires.
Many of my people have stood alongside their Minmitar comrades, in their struggle for independence and in the formation of the republic. We look with great pride on your achievements and how far you have come since throwing of the chains of oppression and forging you own space among the stars.
Unlike other races who throw of the shackles of the Oppression, you have not become the Oppressor. You must retain rule without resorting to violence against your own members, or else the resultant civil conflict will destroy all you have achieved, all you have suffered for, and that which so many had died for.
The election or fratracide, there is no choice. Better surely Midular, than to turn on your brothers and sisters. You are not the Ammatar, you are Minmitar.
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Susa Ou
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:51:00 -
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Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't elections for the Republicc done by the tribal elders? I always thought that individual (democratic) elections were what the Gallente did - while the minmatar worked on a tribal elder reprisentative system.
So either people are mixing fundamental political process' up between two factions, or I misunderstand what the difference between the two are.
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Ceanthar Cerbera
Minmatar
Lone Gunmen
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.02.16 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Susa Ou
Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't elections for the Republicc done by the tribal elders? I always thought that individual (democratic) elections were what the Gallente did - while the minmatar worked on a tribal elder reprisentative system.
So either people are mixing fundamental political process' up between two factions, or I misunderstand what the difference between the two are.
Of course youre right but with certain voiced opinions and the actions taken by certain pod pilots its clear they have no respect for, or trust in the leaders of their tribe. Not only is the call for Midulars head a challenge of her authority but also a blatant disregard of our political system.
But in the light of this, I think it can be good to have a more direct democratic vote so we can get unified again.
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Posted - 2007.02.17 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ceanthar Cerbera
Originally by: Susa Ou
Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't elections for the Republicc done by the tribal elders? I always thought that individual (democratic) elections were what the Gallente did - while the minmatar worked on a tribal elder reprisentative system.
So either people are mixing fundamental political process' up between two factions, or I misunderstand what the difference between the two are.
Of course youre right but with certain voiced opinions and the actions taken by certain pod pilots its clear they have no respect for, or trust in the leaders of their tribe. Not only is the call for Midulars head a challenge of her authority but also a blatant disregard of our political system.
But in the light of this, I think it can be good to have a more direct democratic vote so we can get unified again.
So isn't this 'breaking' the RP reasoning behind this action? I understand the frustration, I understand the anger, I see the political possibilities of uniting Mataar behind a common purpose, but this is simply not part of the Minmatar political ideology. Its like the Amarr loyalists declaring an election for a new emporor by pod pilots. They seem to have the resolve to wait (its been what, a year and a half?) for the Theology Council to sort out a championship rather then throwing away the whole RP logic behind the fact that their political system, like the mataar one, does not support democratic elections?
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Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.02.17 03:57:00 -
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The tribal elders represent their tribes, and carry the voices of their people. We simply want the chance for the elders to ratify or decry Prime Minister Midular's policies in the light of these pivotal events that are evidently, and rightly, a point of very strong feeling for most Matari.
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Pliskkenn
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.18 19:26:00 -
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This is a brilliant idea. While I no longer serve the Republic or the Para-Military Ushra'khan, I still care about the affairs that both partake in, and I sympathised with The Defiants. Would this election be open to pilots such as myself who longer reside within the Republic, but have adopted a more Nomadic lifestyle instead? And what about those living as refugees in Gallente space?
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