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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kerushi on 09/02/2007 21:07:30 and no one finds it funny that those are most of the crap bpo`s?
tip of the iceberg i`ll bet, what would happen to alliances when 600b in ship/modules bpo`s would be removed? eaier to use a scapegoat with crap bpo`s and have it go away as usuall...
who`s stupid enough to do it for a few bil only?
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Xelios 11 pages in an hour and a half, that must be some kind of record
for every page i read 2 more spawn
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:25:00 -
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just read his forums and
Quote:
Spike L Blueprint Malediction Blueprint Quake L Blueprint Barrage L Blueprint Sabre Blueprint Flameburst Precision Light Missile Blueprint Phalanx Rage Rocket Blueprint Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Blueprint
So thats our 2nd interdictor bpo, 2nd malediction bpo, and quite a collection of t2 ammo.
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 00:42:00 -
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/me puts a tinfoil hat on and wonders how many dev`s/gm`s/isd`s are posting with their player chars defending T20
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 01:00:00 -
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what bugs me most is that the so called "investigators" are dev`s them self
boot them and put in ppl who do nothing else then log crunching with every tool at their disposal if it they don`t have the right tool, make it but NO dev accounts and privliges of even the simplest of all commands "/tr name location", nothing besides their player account
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Arthur Miller Kieron,
If the external evidence from Kgutsumen was enough to start this inquiry, are you considering his evidence of account sharing within RKK as well? It is known that the developer in RKK had access to the forums where account sharing was discussed about the BoB cynonet. Will investigations be done about the account sharing going on within that company? Thanks for your work so far, glad to see you are trying to fix things.
don`t count on it, even if a simple ip check run on all accounts for suspicious logins was done
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Popsikle
Originally by: Arthur Miller Kieron,
If the external evidence from Kgutsumen was enough to start this inquiry, are you considering his evidence of account sharing within RKK as well? It is known that the developer in RKK had access to the forums where account sharing was discussed about the BoB cynonet. Will investigations be done about the account sharing going on within that company? Thanks for your work so far, glad to see you are trying to fix things.
Thats non of your biz, considering if they said anything about that it would be a breach of privacy and that would cause a hell of alot mroe people to cancel then this will. I wouldnt trust my credit info with someone who breaks thier privacy policy because a horde of people on the forums have something against BoB, would you?
so basicly u are for account sharing? normal unimportant ppl who share their account on occasion are banned while this mass scale account sharing is fine, this is not for them to make public but just bann those accounts who do it every other day, pull ur head out of ur ars
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 01:31:00 -
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btw, letting kugutsumen back in game after braeking the rules, would be the same as letting T20 stay, double standards ftw
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: meepsheep
Originally by: keiron Originally by: Various EVE community members in different forms Why is t20 still employed?
Here is a quote from Hellmar's Dev Blog
Originally by: The CommitmentUnfortunately CCP did not act with the same decisive consistency we have used on previous occasions. Those left at the helm chose to react cautiously, as sometimes is appropriate under these circumstances, leading to more leniency and understanding than we are used to in these matters.
Internally, this incident was discovered over the summer when the majority of the senior company staff was on vacation. This lead to the caution against taking more harsh measures such as termination of employment. T20 was punished at the time for his misconduct. To terminate t20's employment now would appease some of the more emotional members of the community, but it would also be unfair to punish someone twice for the same misconduct.
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
then why did ccp keep this quiet then? is this punishment you speak of just ccp taking his character away? that would have happened to any regular players account for cheating! so i hope that isnt all the punishment he got.
others get fired, he stays... send him on a 1 month payed vacation to look for another job
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Pika Chu
Originally by: Tab'Fren My main's birth date is in the spring of 2003... and I've never won or owned a t2 BPO. How is this fair?
I've worked towards a goal for years, only to watch a CCP empoloyee spawn some for himself and then give them to someone else. Help me understand exactly how I'm not being personally hosed by CCP.
"I'm so sorry to have cheated; I promise to not do it again" alone isn't enough.
A quick cover-up, 'so sorry' and an XX-page venting thread is not going to make this right.
Ive got just under 900K RP on multiple toons, and havent gotten one either ;( Thats why the whole lottery is dumb in the first place. I dont think 6 t2 bpo's given to bob help my chances, but maybe I woulda gotten lucky ;(
onlt 6 confessed bpo`s, u don`t risk employment for that ****
trust me when i say that this is the tip of the iceberg of this crap as no one has whined to date about dissapearing bpos/top notch modules, u know how serious to take ccp`s "investigations"
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 02:01:00 -
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Quote: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What are you going to do about the ISK/items created/ship losses/etc. that came about as a result of the BPs being in the game for so long? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
We apologize for not resolving this when originally discovered, yes it is our fault. However, short of rolling back Tranquility to the time the first illegal BP was used for production, there is no way for us to estimate, let alone reverse the impact the BPs have had in the time that has passed.
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
average market price * amount of runs over that time
guess i`ve just been promoted to rocket scientist
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Niaski Zalani
Originally by: Archbishop
- Kugsman or whatever his name is did apparently hack an outside forum. If BOB wants to prosecute him for that they can. The EULA does specify "you will not break local laws" to affect the game. Although he revealed this incident to us he did break the EULA and his banning is justified (if very unpopular).
Where Kugutsumen lives, there is no law against it. If there is no law, he can't break it. Invalid reason for banning, in that case.
it is with the eula he agrees with every time he logson on wich u can be banned
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 02:10:00 -
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Quote: Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why haven't you banned <player> from <corporation> for taking/using the BPs? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
We do not have any proof showing the members of Reikoku (other than t20) had any knowledge that these BPs were illegally gained. We cannot punish players for innocently using items they thought were legal.
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
as u can see from those private forums, they knew he was a dev and he GAVE it to them, not to mention the account sharing on mass scale
Don't troll -Eldo ([email protected])
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Aspez WOW!!!
So a GM gets caught cheating and is dismissed from employment. A DEV gets caught cheating and is spanked.
AND you leave all the BPOs he spawned IN GAME AND this happened LAST YEAR?!?!?!??
This is either the biggest BS ever contrived and this is just using T20 as a scapegoat since you already punished him or you really do think the playerbase is this stupid.....
The incompetence is staggering.
Come clean now.
the stupid part has been proven countless times by now except a few
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Vandee Yarr CCP doesn't have to punish t20 a second time. They just have to politely ask him to resign, something he should offer to do himself (but I guess he missed that lesson in Ethics 101).
who says he was punished? every thing said and done i can personally just conclude is that he was asked to be the scape goat
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 02:29:00 -
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to all these bob whiners
this isn`t about bob, this affects every single alliance and prolly some alliance-less corps if they have devs/gms/isd in them abusing the system and eula
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: BustyBounty
Originally by: Mysticaa
Originally by: Vandee Yarr CCP doesn't have to punish t20 a second time. They just have to politely ask him to resign, something he should offer to do himself (but I guess he missed that lesson in Ethics 101).
Unless t20 is just a sacrafical lamb.
if there admitting this then there must be something they are trying desperatly to hide imo.... as someone was just saying on our ts , no company in there right mind would risk ruining there reputation by admiting something like this unless there was something else far more serious they want to hide.
damage limitation at in finest maybe?
keep going, keep going... spread the wisdom
this was my issue with the Harris interactive where ccp broke the LAW by giving out my contact information who was with their luck, a loophole in their eula an unathorized 3rd party and the only thing ppl did is whine "where`s my survey email..."
this case is still pending with the lawyers but i guess the issue is like a fish in the ocean with the ******up rule bending by everyone in the office who sees fit
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 02:50:00 -
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funny, on "that" site, the number grows to 39, now that`s something to coverup
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Prydeless seems that kieron has gone to bed or MIA like last time. How about you helmar, got an anser to the latest questions.
1.) Sirmolle revealing rl info 2.) bobs account sharing cynonet 3.) you new about the bpo's since summer!?!?! and did nothing but let bob prosper of them!?
they allways dissapear when they get direct questions that can`t be answerd without a conferrence for the "right" reply
they don`t even bother respond to simple stuff or atleast an appology with a lawsuit pending on their heads
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 03:01:00 -
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Edited by: Kerushi on 10/02/2007 02:58:04
Originally by: Prydeless This is going south quickly, at first we think we are going to get answered then BOOM STONEWALL, HIDE FROM THE QUESTIONS!
not south, we`re getting to the truth now
truth hurts remember
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Faramare To be honest, I really didn't care to read whole thread....
Are the developers going to do something about the FACT that Band of Brothers have benefited from those BPO's AND knowledge acquired from the dev in their ranks?
Thing is, that we all want fair playground. And the playground ain't fair as long as one side is getting unfair advantage.
So it is.
Originally by: Kieron We apologize for not resolving this when originally discovered, yes it is our fault. However, short of rolling back Tranquility to the time the first illegal BP was used for production, there is no way for us to estimate, let alone reverse the impact the BPs have had in the time that has passed.
nuff said
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Reverend Revelator
Originally by: Prydeless This is going south quickly, at first we think we are going to get answered then BOOM STONEWALL, HIDE FROM THE QUESTIONS!
Actually we have gotten LOTS of answers to our questions:
1) A genuine bonafide really for real CCP employed Game Developer did get caught cheating, and CCP admits it.
2) CCP also admits that they, in direct contradiction to their publicly stated policy, have not fired said dev.
3) CCP thinks that BoB, and specifically the BoB leadership, is entirely, completely, hundred percent innocent of all wrongdoing in this, and will not be punished in any way, shape or form, except for the loss of the income of 6 BPOS that they got for free through T20s cheating.
4) CCP thinks Kugutsemens ban is justified, and will not reinstate his accounts.
See? Lots of answers. Admittedly, none of those answers are things we want to hear, or even understand, but they ARE answers.
if i`d work at ccp, i`d hire u on the spot
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 03:17:00 -
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Jacob Majestic,
that polaris frig u have linked in ur bio, is, if i`m not mistaken, an senior polaris frigate
could be wrong tho
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 03:22:00 -
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don`t forget the months of "waiting" for an investigation after alot of pressure by the players
an investigation that didn`t happen as it was allready "dealt" with so why tell every one to shutup and lock all threads if that supposed investigation alleady happend months ago?
buying time to forge an coverup in my view...
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Majestic *snip* Keep it ontopic -Eldo ([email protected])
hey Eldo, it was on topic as this is the motherload of all ****ups from dev to isd foot soldier (yea u)
besides, i`ve read the msg befor u removed it
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 03:35:00 -
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Edited by: Kerushi on 10/02/2007 03:32:49
Originally by: Alexi Borizkova Well, let's stop for a moment and think here. Worst case scenario, it all comes out that bob's dominance of eve and brutalization of ASCN was funded and operated with a lot of dev cheating. Now, assume that comes to teh light of day, it would be a scandal and possibly crash the game, especially if all of the events of GM and Dev cheating came to light at the same time. Hundreds, perhaps thousands of accounts would be closed, and maybe even more by disgusted players.
It would cripple the game, generate too much bad press for a tiny game like this to recover from, and essentially fatally wound eve.
We might not be seeing a guilty cover up here, but a "for the greater good" cover up where they are going to try to salvage the game and orchestrate graceful exits by the guilty parties over time, and punish them behind the scenes, to save eve an even more major scandal and keep it alive for the players.
Call me a tinfoil hat junkie, but sometimes conspiracies do have good intentions.
if they would have done it immidiatly, we wouldn`t be at this point (maybe another point, but not this 1 :) )
4:33 am, i`m a forum ***** afterall
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 05:40:00 -
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i think we all sucked into the greatest scam of all...
1. players whine about a dev cheating lock thread and say we investigate and hope it goes away
2. players keep whining about it fine, we`ll forge a plan without losing T20 as we need him
3. dev must confess but we don`t want to fire him we`ll say it was in the past and that he got punished for it no one can prove otherwise and about the (crap) bpo`s we`ll say it was oversigh or bad judgment, the truth of the(39?) bpo`s stay safe inhouse or it would endup in a rollback of 1 year
3.a dev must confess but can`t let him go or he`ll tell the truth we`ll say it was in the past and that he got punished for it no one can prove otherwise and about the (crap) bpo`s we`ll say it was oversigh or bad judgment, the truth of the(39?) bpo`s stay safe inhouse or it would endup in a rollback of 1 year
4. if the bpo`s were left ingame, ppl will say to remove the isk we`ll just say it is impossible to figure out and who to punish as an excuse
5. willl every one buy it? maybe cause it`s to simple to see
tried to get some sleep and came up with this as my conclusion that investigation took place between the whining and this statement the dmg in bpo`s must be so high, that removing and punishing every one would even destroy the mighty bob in this case
role play the past and use bad judgement as excuse and every one is is clear besides some crap wich will be ignored nway if this is true, it has been 1 of the better implementations of roleplay since launch
this wasn`t discoverd last summer or else it would have been known and the bpo`s would have been released with the destruction and banning of rkk, not to mention the spam of alliance members having so many bpo`s been taken from them
this all is just 1 big ******* lie we`ve all been trapped in to
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 15:10:00 -
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and still no updates from ccp
nice try but we won`t fall for it, only morons would believe that that was the only stuff he spawned also gm actions are pritty clear why some alliances get their ships refunded the next day after a loss and the otherside have to wait a month befor hearing "our logs show nothing" as a reply
as this is going to be another "hide & it will go away" issue, i`ll prolly won`t renew my accounts and do the VISA trick for all 4 of my accounts dating back to release and use that money buy a rl
funny that there is a "ccp communication"thread in GD, this is the ultimate example heh
the longer the silence is being kept, the faster my blood boils ontop of my own issue with the marketting department
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha I'd just like to say thanks to all the people who now call about 1000 people liars, cheaters, untrustworthy and scum for no reason other than them not knowing what was going on.
I'll be sure to mimick this behaviour and call every single American i meet a corrupted, money laundering politician who should be shot, i shall call every German a **** sausage lover, i shall call every Scot a worthless alcoholic, i shall call everu muslim a suicidal and stupid fundamentalist.
Seriously. Read my ******* post and say this isn't seriously ****** up.
only the fools would blame all of bob or any other full alliance most ppl would have had no clue about what is going on, blaming them is igmorance on the otherside, they may have profitted from the situation with every ripple t20 made in this case but they aren`t to be blamed for it
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cyrus Ildemar
Originally by: Reiisha I'd just like to say thanks to all the people who now call about 1000 people liars, cheaters, untrustworthy and scum for no reason other than them not knowing what was going on.
Oh, hey, I'm sorry. Let's talk about something else.
How's that cynonet working out for you guys?
if u or me would start account sharing, we`d have a temp ban faster then we could say "pwnd" mass account sharing where dev`s are included is ignored and kept silent
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Microsoft Sam
Originally by: Mysticaa
Originally by: Microsoft Sam
Originally by: Mysticaa rabble
t20 was already punished about the bpos when it happened. they cant punish him TWICE FOR IT.
He was not punished. If he was then he would not still be working for CCP and the BPO's would not have remained in BoB hands until now.
believe it or not that was explained too, read the posts again.
and u believe that crap?
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Kerushi on 10/02/2007 16:39:39
Originally by: Keldon Raven
Originally by: Mitsuko Souma Get this through your skulls, 6 ill gotten BPOs does not mean 3 years of grind in BoB and whatever time before BoB (for various corps) gets erased in a hail of OMGWTFDEVHAX ****ery.
Indeed this is true however anything they have acomplished through honest means (and lets face it most of the BoB players are honest victims in this as well) will now forever be overcast by this issue.
why would u need t2 ammo bpo`s? u need ammo for the t2 fitted t2 ships so best question is: what other bpo`s did he spawn? the amount must be so high that it would be an economic dissaster, simplest way of covering it up: make a post admitting to some crap bpo`s say it happend in the past and was delt with, wich gives a "get out of jail card" now
if T20 would have been fired (it it trully was in the past), he could have gone public with the exact stuff he spawned to ruine the economics universe wide and an impossible dammage control task for ccp
reason he wasn`t fired and excuses are being used
no, i`m not paranoid, it just wouldn`t suprise me at all
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Nim9i5 Top members of BoB knew ALL about this.
like that would be a shoking revelation
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: pumkinlumpkin
Originally by: Torchic Food for thought here kids:
If CCP is so willing to lie to us, hide these things etc. HOW SAFE IS YOUR CREDIT CARD INFORMATION? really, think long and hard next time you re-up your subscription.
Yes, this is the tip of the iceberg, that can not be denied. Yes, Kug is like the Jesus of Eve - He died for BoD's sins :(
OMG!! I never thought of that...Cheaters with tons of credit card and personal information that going to keep me a wake for days
Hello Harris Interactive Inc.
that is what i said several times in that thread and ppl just ignored it
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus What? only 10 more pages after I slept all night? You tin foil hat guys are slackers.. Or are getting tired of spouting the same paranoid delusions over and over.. Hmm.. Lets check TQ.. Oh dear.. 30000 online right this minute.. Guess the majority of eve players didnt quit after all..
post with ur dev account bodbit
accounts have play time as u don`t pay per minute, but as an alt user, that`s way out of ur league as u need atleast 1 IQ to understand
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 20:19:00 -
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just got a warning from the mods saying that the mods are biased like ccp, funny thing is:
"We respect your right to privacy"
wich was breached with Harris interactive inc. was was breached by several ppl by posting RL info on these forums(ex. Molle)
u get a forum ban for saying basicly nothing but u don`t get banned with RL detail sharing
and yes, this warning was gotten intentionally specially for this thread, like i could give a flying **** for a warning, i`ll just add them to the Harris lawsuit with the rest of the crap
oh, do i win another empty threath?
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Brunn
Originally by: Eclipsen413 i dont think someone should lose their job over a video game, and from what ive been told, devs been helpin bob since bob was made
t20 job IS a videogame...
anyway i dont think he will lose his job even if CCP tells us so...
if they`d say he got fired, they`ll just rename his char and make him act like a n00b so ppl buy that the position has been filled
what`s new?
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