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MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.09 21:41:00 - [1] Unban the whistle blower! Fact: HE exposed dev misconduct and forced T20 to admit Fact: No other allegations have been disproven Fact: BoB Leadership KNEW about such behavior and still have their accounts. In all types of work whistle blowers are protected and rewarded for doing the right thing.. this is to prevent corruption. Only the corrupt try to silence the informants. I think it is time to start writing various gaming sites and magazines about this incident. CCP has proven that indisputable proof must be levied against them in order to do the right thing. This issue does not end here.
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:28:00 - [2] Wow so the CEO of CCP posted... you guys know that means this is very serious. I think he can see his job is in jeopardy because when word gets around and REAL articles are written about this, CCP stock will take a dump. SOE should be buying out CCP any day now. Too bad I liked eve for a while.
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:51:00 - [3] I have an easy solution. Allow the devs to only play as members of the pirate factions. This way they can be involved in the game, test out fleet battles and gasp maybe NOT GIVE PLAYER ALLIANCES UNFAIR ADVANTAGES easy.
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:57:00 - [4] Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: Jacob Majestic Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Genius let's hire a convicted hacker to hack our customer bases forums!!!!!!!!!!! I would be satisfied if CCP demonstrated a commitment to transparency. However, the only reason we are here today is because the "convicted hacker" revealed the snake in the grass and because we threadnaughted it. I love EVE. If it takes a "convicted hacker" to restore the integrity of the game, then that says more about CCP than it says about the "hacker," don't you think? Oh hey, what about that GM that was scouting our POS in 28Y last night? No, it says more about the people who condone people breaking the law to win at a game. Go you! Well I have spotted one BoB alt so far.... This is fun.. like a game of "Where is Waldo?"
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:04:00 - [5] Edited by: MrDisposable on 10/02/2007 00:01:50 Originally by: CyberChick Calls for firing will only hurt the game further - where does it stop asking for all the developers that have tranq accounts to be fired only to have No improvement in the game. T20 made a mistake, he admitted it and will probably be punished internally by ccp move along people and leave your pitchforks and torches at the gate. All your doing is continuing to add further damage to the game, the more post like these that are put up the more online game magazines will post about it, and the reputation of the game will drop to a declining number of new subscribers. That said, the whistle blower should have his accounts reinstated. Additionally the claims against certain bob members/corps should be investigated further - I don't hate bob or what to see them destroyed but if Kugutsumen claims have so far been somewhat correct maybe others are too... This is the point unfortuantely... If the truth continues to be covered up then the playerbase deserves to decline. While Kug is still banned and Sir molle, dimension Z, blacklight and many others still have their accounts active this issue should not rest. Unless actions are taken to rectify instead of cover up then this game deserves to smell of the stench it has created.
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:14:00 - [6] Edited by: MrDisposable on 10/02/2007 00:11:34 Originally by: aggro THE BIG QUESTION WHERE DO CCP GO FROM HERE 1. All cheaters like t20 need to be banned as stated in ther own policies.BANNED 2. Other people like sir molle who knowly knew about bpos etc BANNED 3. Investigate other dev misconducts ie Why is one scouting poses before a bob war dec INVESTAGATE 4.A third party should conduct their own internal investigation. INVESTIGATE 5.All ill gotten gains from bpo be given back DONE NOW 6.ccp publically state they have a problem with devs cheating but will do all they can to resolve the issue no matter where it leads. DONE NOW CCP you need to act quick to stop this cancer which your dev cheaters have caused before it ruins this great game. HARD DECISIONs NEED TO BE MADE TO STOP THE ROT Aggro for president!!!! Oh btw the third party thing I think won't work? We are a bunch of geeks getting mad that our favorite game is a sham. Where are you gonna find anyone to investigate a game that would really give a crap and has no agenda?
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:31:00 - [7] Its pretty obvious CCP purposefully put these DEV blogs up at the end of the day on friday and just left the building. They are probally hoping that this will blow over by monday (sadly mistaken I hope). There is an un-mentioned victim in all this.... the moderation team. Can you imagine having their job right now? Dev team just dropped a bomb in their lap and sad "Hey have a good weekend working like a dog while we are relaxing."
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.11 05:45:00 - [8] Originally by: Maya Rkell D'an Y'eal, "You are choosing to put faith in a company" No, I'm not. I haven't believed they've been even handed for a while. This is just the first time people have really seemed to CARE about it. And I'm VERY annoyed at the credence a hacker's getting for it. The Libertine, you're funny. Yan Song, the hacker's accusations were quite broad. Sure, CCP knew about what T20 has admited to. That was a small subset of the accusations. "can you honestly give a reason why Kug would post several things with only one being accurate?" Sure. He's a criminal with a vested interest in hurting CCP. Or possibly paid by goonfleet to pick on someone else. Or... the thing is, it's not so much "reason" as a detailed investigation of each seperate part would be needed anyway. Even with the best will in the world, mistakes can be made and things taken out of context. And I don't believe the best will applies here. Stop acting like a slobbering Oaf... So what I get is that you are saying it was all made up.... So he was just lucky at guessing exactly how this non-disclosed incident went down? I have a word you should look up, obtuse.
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.11 05:50:00 - [9] Oh also.... if what he did is not illegal "according to LOCAL laws" then he did not break the EULA did he? Has it been proven that he resides in a country where what he did was a crime? OH and btw, many things even taking place on these forums could be illegal. Not sure if slander would apply to the forums. If you address only one more thing Maya, why is it that Sir Molle is not perma banned given he breached the EULA as witnessed by the entire eve community?
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.11 05:56:00 - [10] Originally by: Hemroid Originally by: Baun 1) CCP deliberately did not disclose the information so as not to jeopardize merger negotations. 2) In so doing CCP failed to disclose information material to the financial condition of their company 3) CCP might be criminally culpale and civilly liable to White Wolf. Does this mean we should start playing WoW for our online gaming fix? I guess.... the fantasy crap bugs the hell out of me... maybe that new battlestar galactica MMO coming out or any other sci-fi game. CCP better straighten up before competition comes by and railroads them.

MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.11 05:59:00 - [11] Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: MrDisposable If you address only one more thing Maya, why is it that Sir Molle is not perma banned given he breached the EULA as witnessed by the entire eve community? I don't know. Ask CCP (or don't...they won't answer, per their policy). As I said, I don't expect them to be fair. And yes, what Kugutsmen did was illegal in his locality. Checked that. Well I must say, if it can be proven that Kug broke the law.... he along with everyone else who is breaking the law should be banned. This would require a hard look at wether or not infiltrating someone else's forums and TS is also on the shady side of things. If we are gonna go by the letter of the law let no man be above it.
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.11 06:00:00 - [12] Edited by: MrDisposable on 11/02/2007 05:59:57 Originally by: Baun Originally by: MrDisposable Originally by: Hemroid Originally by: Baun 1) CCP deliberately did not disclose the information so as not to jeopardize merger negotations. 2) In so doing CCP failed to disclose information material to the financial condition of their company 3) CCP might be criminally culpale and civilly liable to White Wolf. Does this mean we should start playing WoW for our online gaming fix? I guess.... the fantasy crap bugs the hell out of me... maybe that new battlestar galactica MMO coming out or any other sci-fi game. CCP better straighten up before competition comes by and railroads them. Can you link to the BSG mmo? :) OH man upon further investigation it is just a rumor... sorry for frackin that up
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.11 07:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 11/02/2007 07:42:09 Originally by: umop 3pisdn Other than the guy who got the years mixed up... your constant pro BoB save teh devs banter is annoying and pointless. As is the constant 'we are losing the war so it must be the devs helping bob' logic.. Ever think it really was just t20 and thats it? I'm sure if this had happened to some other less prominate alliance it would have genereated a few snickers and thats about it.. But hey I can understand your guys paranoia.. All I'm saying is that it makes absolutely no sense whatsoevr for the Devs to knowingly help one player group over another.. After reading all 70ish pages I'm almost 100% certain that the loudest voices are the ones using meta politics to turn the tables on bob.. Kudos to you for using every advantage you can to win.. But.. if you cant understand a different point of view then maybe a "Public Discussion" forum is not your cup of tea.. Go find a private one to have one sided debates over something that effects everyone in eve.. Why would someone help out a bunch of friends? Yeah it makes no sense at all that anyone would do that eh? Instead of your thought process working like this: Read->denial mode->response Try this Read->think->respond. You are only making yourself look worse.
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.11 08:03:00 - [14] You know whats funny? Can anyone really say "Go play WoW" smugly anymore?
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.11 08:21:00 - [15] Edited by: MrDisposable on 11/02/2007 08:18:38 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: MrDisposable Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 11/02/2007 07:42:09 Originally by: umop 3pisdn Other than the guy who got the years mixed up... your constant pro BoB save teh devs banter is annoying and pointless. As is the constant 'we are losing the war so it must be the devs helping bob' logic.. Ever think it really was just t20 and thats it? I'm sure if this had happened to some other less prominate alliance it would have genereated a few snickers and thats about it.. But hey I can understand your guys paranoia.. All I'm saying is that it makes absolutely no sense whatsoevr for the Devs to knowingly help one player group over another.. After reading all 70ish pages I'm almost 100% certain that the loudest voices are the ones using meta politics to turn the tables on bob.. Kudos to you for using every advantage you can to win.. But.. if you cant understand a different point of view then maybe a "Public Discussion" forum is not your cup of tea.. Go find a private one to have one sided debates over something that effects everyone in eve.. Why would someone help out a bunch of friends? Yeah it makes no sense at all that anyone would do that eh? Instead of your thought process working like this: Read->denial mode->response Try this Read->think->respond. You are only making yourself look worse. Because if the devs really did help bob in this war and were caught doing it then the amusing side show thread we have now would be something much much uglier with real potential to damage subscriptions and future player recruitment.. Again I applaud you guys for fully taking advantage of the sutuation and opening a public front to the bob vs eve war but in the end its just another front to a bitter and hard fought war.. as time will no doubt tell.. Did you see me mention BoB? I didn't, I mentioned friends. This is not a sideshow. It is a serious issue and has the very real potential of costing subs here. That is one of the reasons why this thread is tucked away in this small corner of the forums. This is really simple to anyone who looks at it objectively. We have two sources of information. One has been proven untrustworthy, by admission of their own of wrongdoing and by extension mis-leading us. The other while a less savory character has a perfect track record. He did not lie about the Goons and there is no evidence that he is lying here. That would mean that T20 is a non-credible witness while Kug is credible. You are a BoB alt. It is painfully obvious by the way everything anyone says at this point is about BoB... which is classic BoB behaviour
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.11 09:01:00 - [16] Edited by: MrDisposable on 11/02/2007 09:00:27 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus This thread is about a dev helping one isolated corp in the bob alliance.. ergo I assumed you meant bob.. You know what they say about assumtions? Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus It takes 3 clicks to get to this topic and every one is at or very near the top.. eveo.com-forums-eveinfoportal-sticky #2.. This is the best thing to happen to these forums in ages as there is no such thing in the entertainment business as bad publicty.. So my opinion stands.. Its a side show attraction.. You have invalidated your own point... more of that bad thought processing I see. Lets go in reverse order cause you might be dsylexic too. Seems like SOE got tons of bad publicty for SWG and see where that got them, or Enron, or ect.... 3 clicks into a brand new forum very few people visit, with no references to this thread condoned in any other forum. Thats called hiding. Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Lets wait until we get more info before making statements of like these.. I'm just as curious as you to see if any other wrongdoing was perpetrated.. Personally I think if any new info is released it will be on monday.. So save the premature conclusions until then.. Its real simple. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. T20 is not trustworthy. He has been dishonest until the very point he could no longer hide it then he came out like a coward and tried to make it look like he had some kind of honor. He has none. Go cry somewhere else. I do not feel sorry for him. Kug has been proven right every time so far. Labeling him hacker or scum or 3-legged goat does not change the fact he has been right. Quote: You are a BoB alt. It is painfully obvious by the way everything anyone says at this point is about BoB... which is classic BoB behaviour We will never realy know will we.. It is quiet obvious
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.12 01:57:00 - [17] Originally by: Maya Rkell Edited by: Maya Rkell on 12/02/2007 01:49:53 Wibiq, The entire MMO industry says it's VERY important for the devs to play the game. In the cases they have not, disaster has followed within a year. If you have a soloution, you could get very rich selling it. Kael Kenton, You are commiting an offence by harbouring a criminal. CCP are not required to tell us when a dev misbehaves. If you want CCP to change their policy, fair enough. But to expect things to work the way you want to restrospectively is more like one day you walked in front of an old lady, two weeks later a law was passed against walking in front of old ladies and you got dragged off to jail. Booster Junkie, heh. Maya why is it half this thread is responses from you? What is your agenda as you clearly have one.
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.12 02:00:00 - [18] Seems like it... if you review from a few pages ago I clearly brought up a few topics and while she tried to tap dance around them she didn't answer any of them. Like Kug has credibility, CCP and T20 do not.
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.12 02:04:00 - [19] Edited by: MrDisposable on 12/02/2007 02:01:44 Originally by: Cosmic Blunder Originally by: MrDisposable Seems like it... if you review from a few pages ago I clearly brought up a few topics and while she tried to tap dance around them she didn't answer any of them. Like Kug has credibility, CCP and T20 do not. A person who commits an illegal action punishable with jail sentance, and gets personal info on the net has credibility? Wonder if you'd think that if he was to hack your computer for your personal bank account info, and such things.... All of Kug's assertions that have been investigated have been true about both goonswarm and T20's actions. T20 is proven to be a liar who only admits after he has been proven guilty. Just because he went about it in a certain way does not make him a liar. EDIT I missed your little ploy of the banl account crap for a knee jerk reaction. Lay down with dogs and you get flees. Lets see if you can connect the dots.
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.12 02:09:00 - [20] Originally by: K1K1R1K1 This post delivers. All the hobos saying "this is discusting" and whatnot... get over it. One guy in CCP slipps and everyone's about to sh*# a brick. One guy, not the entire team. So show some respect for the guys that built the game you love instead of just turning your back on em' in a heart beat the second something goes wrong. Something like this is the exception, not the rule... This is not the first time a CCP employee has done something like this. This is not the first time CCP has tried to silence a scandal. Fool me once shame on you.. fool me twice shame on me.

MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.12 02:14:00 - [21] Originally by: K1K1R1K1 Originally by: MrDisposable Originally by: K1K1R1K1 This post delivers. All the hobos saying "this is discusting" and whatnot... get over it. One guy in CCP slipps and everyone's about to sh*# a brick. One guy, not the entire team. So show some respect for the guys that built the game you love instead of just turning your back on em' in a heart beat the second something goes wrong. Something like this is the exception, not the rule... This is not the first time a CCP employee has done something like this. This is not the first time CCP has tried to silence a scandal. Fool me once shame on you.. fool me twice shame on me. What are the other incidents then? and how severe where they? Remember the incident with the rogue GM who spawned himself crap, and then had the gal to ban the players who refused to give him back his "spawned" loot after killing him? Seems awfully familiar to this one. Now some serious allegations have been leveed against CCP of more than T20's developer misconduct and they need to be addressed.
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.12 02:16:00 - [22] Maybe the nay-sayers are right. Maybe this was just a one off freak of nature type of incident and CCP deserves our trust. Lets leave them alone. me waits for a few T2 BPOs and GM scouting parties
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.12 02:19:00 - [23] Originally by: Nighlighted Originally by: MrDisposable Maybe the nay-sayers are right. Maybe this was just a one off freak of nature type of incident and CCP deserves our trust. Lets leave them alone. me waits for a few T2 BPOs and GM scouting parties There is a war on..... Your right.. making sense is highly overrated.
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:56:00 - [24] Originally by: Cker Heel Gotta say I really appreciate Maya Rkell bothering to reply to this thread. Great content. I am not disturbed by the behaviour of CCP or its employees. It is human nature. Expecting more is fantasy. What does puzzle me is the alt posted drumbeat to damage CCP Inc itself. Relentless posts by alts hoping for magazine articles or big credit card chargebacks does disturb me. Cancelling subs and clamouring for heads is an understandable reaction. Wanting to vandalize the company, though, is very disturbing. Trying for that free T2 BPO eh? Dude no one wants to burn CCP to the ground. I love this game and if it goes away I will be stuck with no other MMORPG to play. Unfortunately CCP has shown that it takes a community uproar to light a fire under it's rump and get going. I admit I want some blood for blood. T20 should be fired per company regulations OR they need to reinstate the cheating GM. Sir Molle and all his accounts should be perma-banned OR Kug should be given his back. There should also be a serious investigation as too what else has been going on.. eve wide. I want CCP to reclaim this awesome game world they have made from the cheaters, liars, and other scum.
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.12 04:00:00 - [25] Edited by: MrDisposable on 12/02/2007 03:58:22 Oh as a sidebar I am sure everyone at CCP is **ED at T20 right now and the whistleblower. Those that where/are doing the same are going to be ALOT more careful. Those that keep thier noses clean are probally saying, "Thats for messing it up for everyone *****!!" See the way things work in the world of the grown ups is you give someone enough rope to hang themselves with it, and they do. If this happens to often the few will ruin it for the many and the rope disappears. In this case ROPE=characters on TQ or maybe just characters in alliances.
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.12 05:08:00 - [26] MY solution: T20 should be fired per company regulations OR they need to reinstate the cheating GM. Sir Molle and all his accounts should be perma-banned OR Kug should be given his back. All developer spawned items, isk and modified objects get a "stealth" tag attached to them tracing it back to that dev/GM. This will allow an internal affairs division to do randomized and specific checking. CCP staff are not allowed to be in charge of alliances.. or conversley they all are part of the pirate factions (would be fun to have pirate faction fleet battles.) Most importantly a probe is launched into all of Kug's allegations and action is taken. A simple dev blog at the end of this probe saying "We found nothing" or "We have banned ALOT of people over this" would suffice for me. I do not want names, times, events or whatever. I want equality and fairness. While Kug's actions may be illegal I think eve needed it to happen. This should assure people doing less than savory things that some wanna-be famous hacker may be listening. I like this saying, "Locks keep honest people honest."
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.12 05:13:00 - [27] Originally by: Ka'lorn Font'a Just lol at this thread. The past 30 pages have been the same 15 people arguing and whining. Seriously, get over it. Play the game, or quit. To all you naysayers screaming 'We should know who the Devs are ingame' and 'Devs shouldn't play on TQ' - you really have no clue, do you? 'We should know who the Devs are ingame' - yes, do you really have any idea how much abuse they would receive, and how sick it would make them of playing? 'Devs shouldn't play on TQ' - Yes, good game. Have a cookie. Developers, whom made this game, and have been playing this game for 3 years, should 'stop' playing on TQ. Nice work! Lets implement that, and see how many of the developers find jobs elsewhere, leaving EVE to die. You can't develop something you 'love' by farting around on the Test Server. Seriously, if you hate this so much. QUIT, and as Windle said 10 or so pages earlier - make the game a better place for those who do want to stay. I love it when people whine about the whiners. Duh Duh Duh.
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.12 05:22:00 - [28] Edited by: MrDisposable on 12/02/2007 05:19:05 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus If t20 is fired and SirMolle banned then I want CCP to search every database they have for evidence of logoffski abuse and then destroy all isk and material gains made on that character from the date that it first happened.. If the Dev cheating is to be re-punished then all the hoards of the crtl-q abusers should fare a similar fate yes? God knows that has an everyday and constant unbalancing effect on the fairness of playing eve unlike the ONE incident from a YEAR ago of a Dev abusing his powers that as most have admited now had an insignificant effective impact on BoB's parade of victory since then.. So if we throw one to the fire by God lets do em all.. Why do you keep coming back to this thread BoB alt? Sir Molle did the same EXACT thing as Kug, he broke the EULA. T20 did the same exact thing as that GM 7 months ago, he broke company policy. If you had even a small amount of sense you would see these issues are black and white. Ctrl+Q has nothing to do with this thread and while it is despisable, is probally the most idiotic subject to bring in as some half-witted defense. Everyone reading your post is probally amazed at it.. I know I am.
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.12 05:33:00 - [29] Has T20 even realized that these people he is covering for are not his friends. Friends would not allow you to risk your career for a game. They wouldn't allow you to get the amount of grief you are getting now, not by yourself anyway. Your friends would be here defending your character (as a person not your actual game character.) You do not have friends in eve T20, you have people that use you. They have thrown you away and allowed you to go from a respected member of the community, someone anyone would brag about talking too in-game, to a social outcast. While they stay quiet you pay the price.
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 06:12:00 - [30] Edited by: MrDisposable on 12/02/2007 06:09:02 To get the thread back on track and to sum up. GM cheating = fired Dev cheating != fired Kug posting personal info = perma banned Sir Molle posting pers info != perma banned Fix the "!=" and I will be not as ****ed. Conduct a real probe and I will be a happy camper(figuratively... I don't gate camp) ______________ BoB Alt "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!"

MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 07:12:00 - [31] Edited by: MrDisposable on 12/02/2007 07:11:38 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: MrDisposable No Ctrl+q is not a valid subject in this thread about.... are you paying attention.... DEV MISCONDUCT I know this is difficult when your foaming at the mouth, troll but I want you to do something. Look at the title of the thread. What does it say? Now go back thru the other 96 pages.. anything about Ctrl+Q? Either you have ADHD or are doing what BoB always does... side tracks. This isn't about BoB. This thread is about T20 and his Oh.. so this thread is about cheating and its possible ramifications in the game and punishments for said actions? Dear me.. how did I miss that.. Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Fuujin Take the logoffski garbage somewhere else, this isn't the thread for it. Actually your correct.. I was only using it as one example of all the other forms of cheating in eve that noone ever gets called out on.. Not to start a logoffski disscussion.. Drugs are bad m'kay. Oh and do not put words in my mouth. Lets see how you like it Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus I am an obvious BoB troll who is also mentally challenged Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus [Well not to be to harsh but as far as t20 and the GM go thats internal CCP business and no business of yours or any subscriber to the game.. CPP has all the relavent info to make the descision to fire or discipline a member of its staff for an infraction and can be fined huge amounts of money if internal disciplinary action details are disclosed in public.. As far as the Kug vs Molle thing its pretty simple for me.. CCP has discretionary power in enforcing the EULA based on the severity of the infraction and the reputaion of said player.. Kug = known griefer hacker with no good intentions to eve and Molle = mostly good player who contributes to eve.. Kinda makes who to keep and who to boot kinda simple eh? Preferential treatment is what this entire thread is about and yet here you are arguing for it. Ok So if Orc A, CYVOK, DS or Seleene where to post personal information about DBP that would be ok right? Your logic is retarded. Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus [ Quote: Oh btw I have never fought against BoB, actually I have never even been on that side of 0.0 I do not have an agenda against BoB. I have one against uneven treatment. So if you are done being stupid I think we can continue in this thread about.... nm you probally stopped reading already. Yup and I believe that just like you do me.. See the irony? Whatever. I will let my actions speak for themself, yours have spoken for you. ______________ BoB Alt "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!"
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 07:40:00 - [32] Edited by: MrDisposable on 12/02/2007 07:42:05 Wow dred... so now we should all be thanking T20 for giving T2 BPOs to BoB. My good god man do you even read the stuff you type? HE HIMSELF admitted it was wrong. CCP has stated before that any employee found to cheat will be canned. This inspires consumer confidence in their product. So far CCP has lied. Quote: look earlier in the thread.. im just repeating what someone else said about it being a year ago.. So now you just believe everything anyone tells you. No research or investigation.. nada. Ok its all starting to make sense now. ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 07:59:00 - [33] I do not think it matters either way really contrary to my sig. This is about A dev cheating, who knew about it, and why it seems so little was done. Why was there a possible white-wash and what is CCP going to do about it? A side note is given the same actions, why two different results. Kug is banned Sir Molle is not, they both posted personal information on the forums. ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:09:00 - [34] Edited by: MrDisposable on 12/02/2007 08:06:22 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus So the possiblilty that he was doing it as an experiment for some idea he had for the game is not viable to you? That maybe when the final vote arrived over termination or internal discplinary action they felt that what he did was indeed not a cheat and actually served some purpose? So by your reckoning t20's sole reason was to get a huge e-peen with his bob mates and forward bobs cause then? Thats a huge conclusion with no hard info to back it up.. Hey look a blog Quote: look earlier in the thread.. im just repeating what someone else said about it being a year ago.. Quote: I'm doing just as much if not more research than you mate.. Its just fun making you work at things to discredit me with.. Funny when you find yourself dancing to anothers tune eh? I really don't need to discredit you, you are doing all the work for me. Check out the sig. Who do you think I got all the BS from? Everything I have stated is not heresay. Sir Molle did post personal information on the forums. T20 did cheat. CCP has shown favoritism. Proof or STFU ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:12:00 - [35] Edited by: MrDisposable on 12/02/2007 08:10:00 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 12/02/2007 08:06:03 Originally by: Morgain dVher Maya is gone, Jesus is here. I'm human and need to sleep. Keep pressing people, even after those who started are banned. There's a problem here and ther will be no answers without pressure. Any corp that is attacked by BoB now must assume that its being attacked by CCP as well until proven otherwise. I hope I can comment tomorrow. If not, I'll start a blog and find a way to link players to it. Tinfoil hat on, logging off. Oh christ(!) man give it a break.. Its sunday FFS.. If after DT on monday there is no more official info then plz try to break the 400 page barrier.. Its monday 8:09 a.m. in iceland as of your posting. Is there anything you are ever right about? Oh by what you said I can then expect you to disappear in 5 hours never to be seen again in this thread eh? OMG thank you so much!!!! ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:16:00 - [36] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: MrDisposable I really don't need to discredit you, you are doing all the work for me. Check out the sig. Who do you think I got all the BS from? Errm.. from your posts and comments? Those are all your words not mine.. They might be loosly based on some things I said but the twist is all you baby.. Who is dancing now? Dev cheats != fired GM cheats = fired Sirmolle breaks EULA != permabanned Kugu breaks the EULA = permabanned These statements are 100% accurate. Proof or STFU troll. ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:19:00 - [37] Originally by: MrDisposable Dev cheats != fired GM cheats = fired Sirmolle breaks EULA != permabanned Kugu breaks the EULA = permabanned These statements are 100% accurate. Proof or STFU troll. I dare anyone to refute this ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:37:00 - [38] You know what is funny? Every time I have brought it up be it in alliance on my main or in the NPC corp channels people ask for links and start discussing it. Just goes to show you that these are completely subjective assertions eh? ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:41:00 - [39] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: MrDisposable Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: MrDisposable I really don't need to discredit you, you are doing all the work for me. Check out the sig. Who do you think I got all the BS from? Errm.. from your posts and comments? Those are all your words not mine.. They might be loosly based on some things I said but the twist is all you baby.. Who is dancing now? Dev cheats != fired GM cheats = fired Sirmolle breaks EULA != permabanned Kugu breaks the EULA = permabanned These statements are 100% accurate. Proof or STFU troll. Let me quote something: [...]I wish to make it clear that I acted alone and my co-workers and corp/alliance mates have been cleared of any alleged wrongdoing. [...] That means T20 worked alone. So neither CCP nor RKK did know anything. Now in a true justice society, based on all countries in the world (except for those countries that give a dam in justice) all accusations have to be proved before told guilty. T20 have told us tht he spawned the BPOs fine. But he also told us he worked alone. And untill someone proves otherwise, this is what we should work from! What you are doing is hurting innocent players by accusing BoB for cheating when T20 works alone! In my opinion and in most legal justice societies, clearly and wrongly accusing people for something they have not done is just as bad as doing other criminal acts. Why not just let this topic die now please? We have got our answers. T20 have got its punishment, and its time to move on! I am sure CCP will handle any future cases if they should pop up, as they have did in this case. Even before it got into public! 1) The point=○_____you=☺ here is where you are in relation to it ○----------------------------------------------------------☺ 2)HE confessed to the crime after another source posted the exact details of it. T20 has no credibility and by his small admission he unknowningly confirmed the source. This mole hill is becoming a mountain. ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:45:00 - [40] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus And as far a K is concerned hes a professonal hacker who has a tendency to get at info like that.. thing is you only have his word that the extra stuff he listed was really in the db and happened.. He might just be cunning enought to do a frame up.. give out the accurate info to get ccp to fess up and then plant additional info to make ccp look like they are covering it up and get his revenge.. That whole revenge angle might work cept for the fact he posted this information long before he had reason to take revenge on CCP. Motives aren't backwards compatible. Speaking of hacking... how did Sir Molle get K's personal information anyway? ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."

MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:05:00 - [41] TBH this whole thing has made me happier for not the greatest of reasons. 1)BoB is finally STFU in the forums and aside from this thread they have been a pleasure to read. I mean just check out CAOD. IF someone could make LV STFU I think you could mistake it for an adult audience. 2)Would-be hackers all over will be clamoring to get the type of fame K has achieved so cheaters better watch their backs, phpBB may be weak against hacking but no system is truly secure. 3)Where as before I may not have had a chance, even though I may not have known it, now I think the odds are more in my favor. 4) BoB STFU'd ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:12:00 - [42] Edited by: MrDisposable on 12/02/2007 09:09:25 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Mortania Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus At the end of the day EvE will still be EvE as the majority of the playerbase is in the game and not here.. two monitor setups FTW! LOL.. me too.. granted im doing some trade runs atm and not culling the chat for opinons.. Already got my answers on that one.. Guess I do kinda wish more people would at least come here and post one way or another and not the same 8 of us this last 4 pages.. Me and MrDisposible dont dance well together and we keep stepping on each others toes.. lol... thats ok I take very little in life personally, I hope you do aswell. ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:29:00 - [43] Originally by: Kalroth To all the kids asking why Molle hasn't been banned ingame - forum misconduct doesn't yield ingame bans but forum warnings and/or bans (when you reach the maximum allowed warnings). Stop beating a dead horse, why should he be punished MORE than everyone else Ok so how many times can a person post personal Real life information on the forums before being banned? Since apparently doing it once and putting a persons real life career and family life in jeopardy is you know.... the same as me calling you an idiot... hypothetically speaking of course. ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:42:00 - [44] Originally by: Helox Originally by: Xendie and lets discuss bans abit and reasons for them. kug apparently got all his 5 accounts permabanned for showing ppl T20's dirty ass in public. heres the thing though, T20 had a website at CCP where his firstname was displayed in public with the email adress that kug posted on his forums. doesnt that mean that the info he posted was already available to the public?, if so why ban? btw since kug havent been judged by any court of law for breaking any law kug cannot be banned for that as by the eula states something like "you are not allowed to break any laws yadda-yadda", doesnt that mean that CCP needs to know by The guys hacks forums... Even though he is to be recommended for publishing this, he first tried to blackmail both BoD and CCP. Perma ban is too good for him afaic. Just the fact that he posted personal information on the forums alone is enough. This is so serious its not funny guys. If someone ever does this you can never allow a person to post on your site again... ever. ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:47:00 - [45] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Azerrad InExile Originally by: MrDisposable Ok so how many times can a person post personal Real life information on the forums before being banned? Since apparently doing it once and putting a persons real life career and family life in jeopardy is you know.... the same as me calling you an idiot... hypothetically speaking of course. Once. CCP's Suspension and Ban Policy states: Quote: An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player: * a. Has had four previous warnings for breaking any rules set forth in the EULA, Terms of Service or other rules or guidelines. * b. Divulges private and/or personal information about another subscriber or an official EVE Online representative through the EVE Online client or web site. Originally by: Suspension and Ban Policy An immediate permanent ban of an account *may* result if a player: That one word says it all.. Even the most inept lawyer in the world could drive a US carrier battlegroup through that one in CCP's defence.. And I'm fairly sure hes not inept.. Since you missed the post where I tried to explain it for the dense I will repeat. Giving out real life information about someone could possibly result in someones death. This is the reason why its an insta-ban. There are why too many whack-jobs on the internet to have that type of information given out. Especially on a website full of them. Wasn't there a murder over some MMO property before? ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:51:00 - [46] Seriously Dre'd. Dev junk aside. If CCP doesn't enforce this I will run away from this game I love. No video-game is worth the type of risks allowing this would do. I am not joking or playing around and I can't believe this didn't click in my head earlier. I don't care if it was God himself playing the game. Giving out personal information is a serious no-no. No I am not overstating this fact. ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:55:00 - [47] Originally by: Rutefly Costumer service will degrade for various reasons. Happens in all online games. So far CCP has managed better than most. But inevitable, as corporate idiots try to make a buck/career on every aspect of their organization no matter the cost and support grows in size, it will drop some. Evil EVIL! DOOM! Everyone needs to cheer up, and CCP needs to show that they enforce investigation on their own. That'll be end of story and everyone will be smiling again. Trust and love and smiling... And no more laser nerfs. Fantastic. Oh yes, i got the impression someone got banned for pointing out this incident. Ahem Show of good faith. Unban maybe ? Even if nasty words were used. No, if he is unbanned then something seriously wrong is going on. ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:04:00 - [48] Originally by: SugarDaddy Hi mom ...im on the 100th page !!!! Forget about banning ppl...all these guys have the isk to buy new chars and accs... What to do?? I have no idea...but if you know a lawyer in Iceland let me have his e-mail plz. You ban the IP address, Mac address anything that you can do to get that one person out of there. I am not computer literate btw. ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."

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