Originally by: Niaski Zalani

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Originally by: Ordo Lucius

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It is a ******* GAME!!!

To call for someone to lose thier JOB (you know, the think us normal people have?) over some bloody blueprints (i dont give a **** how much they were worth) is absolutely insane. They guy messed with policy, "misconduct" blah blah, but lets face facts, who the hell got hurt by this in real life? Anyone?

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It's not about the BPO's as in their value. It's in the inherent trust we, as players, place in CCP to provide for us a game that we enjoy. We pay CCP for that. If CCP then turns around and breaks the trust, that pretty much comes down to us players being scammed by the very entity we pay a monthly fee.

I don't know where you're from, but I doubt you enjoy paying $15 every month to someone who might, or might not, scam you. When the trust is gone, there's something seriously wrong.

CCP needs to tread very carefully right now.

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Originally by: SamuraiJack

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Point 1) Hmm... wheres the bob blob? Guess they got told to shut up and let this burn out.

Point 2) Just a game? How about you have YOUR allaince booted out of your space by "influnced" Allaince with "favor" in high places. See what you think.

Point 3) CCP needs to sort this and fast and also look at the other favouritism that has gone on. Complexes, Account sharing, Petitions (how long did it take you to get your stuff back vs the opposing allaince?)

CCP is in a PR landslide. Fix it... or you will die trying.

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Originally by: Plasticine Perfection

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Unban Kugustumen, penalise BoB *fairly*.

Then maybe there'll be some respect again. Until then CCP are heading for the dustbin of MMORPG history to serve as nothing other than yet another lesson on How Not To Run An MMO.

Oh, and I'm intrigued to see what the BoB leadership are going to do about this. A lot of your futures may depend on this too.

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Originally by: Philo Farnsworth

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Originally by: Jacob Majestic

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Very very difficult to post in this thread from my point of view. Not because I feel either myself or my mates that I play Eve with are cheats but because one man, an employee of CCP no less has let us all down, most of all he's let all of BoB down.

We play hard but I firmly believe we play fair and to have the rug pulled out from beneath us like this is a very bitter pill to swallow.

I'll blog about the issue from my perspective when I am done moving house and stuff so could be a week or so.

Not much more I can say really except that I am sickened and saddened to learn that a CCP employee in my alliance cheated.

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Tell us more about account sharing, Blacklight.

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You sure GOONSWARM wants to go there, "Jacob"? Are you sure YOU want to go there?

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Originally by: Dungar Loghoth

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Cyou've asked us how we can follow Remedial - for all his faults, he's never, ever, come close to what your leaders have done. How can you follow them, after all of this? You called Goonfleet the cancer of EVE ; it is my pleasure to hand the title back to you.

I say this with a completely straight face: You guys should disband as an alliance and go your own way. Irreparable damage has been done to you, your corporations, your alliance, and everyone in between. Do EVE a favor and scatter so people can actually start trusting CCP again.

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Originally by: Lord XSiV

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Actually it would be nice if all these people threatening to quit actually do. Eve would be a better place and more mature people would be more likely to start playing Eve. As it is right now, many people shy away from playing Eve due to this kind of crud. Unfortunately those threatening to quit have been playing the same tune over and over trying to get what they want with no intentions of ever quiting the game. It isn't a threat unless you are actually willing to go through with it; otherwise it is just a bunch of hot air. So to that, if you don't like the outcome and are threatening on leaving, I am calling out your bluff and stating the obligatory 'Can I have your stuff?'

As for the guy who supposedly 'outted' the story, he should remain banned permanantly as CCP has taken the appropriate course of action based upon their own investgation. Hypothetically let me put it to you this way. If some of us players used our influences and abilities that we exhibit in real life as this clown has done, the reprecusions can be quite damaging whereas in the Eve world, you can always turn it off and walk away. The actions taken to obtain the information he has done are considered unethical in the very least and possibly illegal. Stating that he has information that could lead to repercussions against individuals if they don't follow his wishes is considered blackmail and possibly extortion if he is potentially using actions that will directly harm such individuals. It wouldn't be a far stretch for someone to explore these possibilities in the real world if it their area of expertise. It may seem trivial as it is 'just a game' but the reality is that online crime can bring a certain reputation which leads to advancement of one's career.

You can discredit this all you want as rubbish but it is general knowledge that people from many aspects of life play eve; doctors, lawyers, corporate directors, not just students, teenage kids and the 'unemployed' as some think.

Anyhow, CCP did their investigation and having access to all the relevant information did the proper analysis and made the decision based on their own policies. Those who who are crying that the sky is falling don't have access to the details or even the capability to do a proper unbiased analysis if they did so they should just shut up and realize that they are nothing more than a member of the peanut gallery....In this world, CCP runs the justice system and justice has been served. Leave it be and find something else to moan about like balancing Amarr :)

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Originally by: Jacob Majestic

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Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry

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CCp> Hi K you got those logs from RKK you hacked from their server?
K> sure do right here
CCP> listen while you are at it, can you hack into DICE EVOL BNC as well and see what you can dig up?
CCP> Can you do D2 next month, I mean if it fits in your schedule or stealing from the FBI and such?
K> Ok ill get to work on that right now

Talked to him like that? LOL

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CCP should hire K. If one guy can find out in a couple weeks what CCP's internal controls miss for eight months, who knows what other skeletons are left to uncover?

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Originally by: Jacob Majestic

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Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry

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Genius let's hire a convicted hacker to hack our customer bases forums!!!!!!!!!!!

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I would be satisfied if CCP demonstrated a commitment to transparency.

However, the only reason we are here today is because the "convicted hacker" revealed the snake in the grass and because we threadnaughted it.

I love EVE. If it takes a "convicted hacker" to restore the integrity of the game, then that says more about CCP than it says about the "hacker," don't you think?

Oh hey, what about that GM that was scouting our POS in 28Y last night?

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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus

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Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 10/02/2007 11:08:07

Originally by: Comstr

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I trust CCP can see how serious the playerbase takes this. More serious than CCP does it seems.

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What playerbase? Dont you mean forumites? There is like maybe 40 unique posters in this whole thread out of a population of 180,000..

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Originally by: aggro

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so next time someone account is banned for a minor infrigement of the eula.

I think a law suit against ccp could happen. people pay money for this game and fraud and corruption is rife it seems.

ccp have not banned people for major infridgements of the EULA, so why are paying customers so poorly treated.

ccp better have some very good lawyers

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Originally by: Eron Lygera

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wow 47 pages of:

- Omg bob must be banzored
- omg he cheated, banzor him and everyone else we dont like with him
- omg I will close my account if you dont banzor -insert victim- now!

All I see is alot of envy. The same envy that goes towards certain alliances ingame because they are better at what they do than you.

T20 did bad things, and as kieron mentioned he has been punished. End of story.

Everyone else who feels they have been violated, lied to or what not do the following:

1 - walk away from computer
2 - walk to a mirror
3 - look at yourselv in mirror
4 - say "Its just a game" out loud 10 times
5 - Still angry? Return to step 3
6 - Feeling better now? Good... go shoot someone in lowsec.

Please, please grow up.
What the dev did is bad and CCP has handled the situation as professionaly as possible if you ask me. If you dont want to support CCP I suggest you cancel your accounts as fast as possible. Because whining here about how violated you feel wont get you anywhere.

God, there are so many nubs in here.
Grow up.

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Originally by: Zzleeper

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Edited by: Zzleeper on 10/02/2007 11:33:24
Edited by: Zzleeper on 10/02/2007 11:33:09

Originally by: Sinlare

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Originally by: aggro

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so next time someone account is banned for a minor infrigement of the eula.

I think a law suit against ccp could happen. people pay money for this game and fraud and corruption is rife it seems.

ccp have not banned people for major infridgements of the EULA, so why are paying customers so poorly treated.

ccp better have some very good lawyers

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I love how people that read law-for-dummies always manage to make themselves look like complete tards.

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STFU bob alt.. ("Dictionary" > "Chatting" > STFUShut The <censored> Up )

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Originally by: KiLLaH KLoWN

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I see the BoB alts are filtering in finally

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Originally by: KiLLaH KLoWN

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Originally by: Sinlare

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Originally by: KiLLaH KLoWN

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I see the BoB alts are filtering in finally

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Yes, people that can actually reason must be bob alts. I wonder how many of you will go to the fanfest and have the balls to actually stand up to the developers, instead of pretending to be all that behind your computerscreen.

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WHAT??!! PAY MORE MONEY and go to their fanfest? You must be smoking some good stuff!!! HAHAHAHA

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Originally by: Spinnukur

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I think the question we should all be asking, is 'Why hasn't a BOB Director or CEO, come out to defend themselves, if their so innocent?' Or to atleast publicly say, 'We had no knowledge of T20's action, and deny any wrong doing, on the alliances and all corps within the alliances's behalf...'

Don't give me that BS answer of, 'Do you know what time it is', BOB has players in all time zones all over the world, I more then asure you that theirs always at least 'one' director on. At least some kind of response from BOB HC would be nice.

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Originally by: Ky Vatta

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Originally by: Spinnukur

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I think the question we should all be asking, is 'Why hasn't a BOB Director or CEO, come out to defend themselves, if their so innocent?' Or to atleast publicly say, 'We had no knowledge of T20's action, and deny any wrong doing, on the alliances and all corps within the alliances's behalf...'

Don't give me that BS answer of, 'Do you know what time it is', BOB has players in all time zones all over the world, I more then asure you that theirs always at least 'one' director on. At least some kind of response from BOB HC would be nice.

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A very good point there......NO Denials from BOB (or BOB-alts, for that matter)

Now, if you do know any of those people, direct them to this thread....

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Originally by: Spinnukur

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Ok, so when everyone gets the chance go to this link:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/68591-Jumpgate-EVEs-Devs-and-the-Friends-They-Keep

or you can directly link through slashdot.com. So this whole thing about people defending

BOB is now utter BS. Escapist.com is reporting that most of the Corporation heads in

BOB knew of what was going on the entire time. The player who whistleblowed about the

violations of so called "CCP ETHICAL RULES", was listening in because he was collecting

intel to give or sell to other alliances....READ FOR

YOURSELFS......

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Originally by: Niaski Zalani

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Originally by: Sinlare

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Originally by: KiLLaH KLoWN

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I see the BoB alts are filtering in finally

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Yes, people that can actually reason must be bob alts. I wonder how many of you will go to the fanfest and have the balls to actually stand up to the developers, instead of pretending to be all that behind your computerscreen.

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Funny how you seem to only come out when the BoB alts come out...

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Originally by: Dez Erichs

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SO goddamn angry, I'm going to regret this later.... but:

As for BoB and BoB alts:

I see that it is finally sinking into some of the leadership. The first reactions are to distance themselves from t20. Dread'Pirate Jesus is obviously doing his very best to diffuse the issue, to no effect, and only appears comical. I'm certain the majority of the grunts have no idea what's going on in any case.

I WANT TO MAKE THIS CLEAR TO YOU AND BREAK THROUGH THE BOB SMUGNESS:

I avoid smacking in local, but I'm so angry right now, how could I pass up saying "Did you buy that Vaga with dirty money".

"Did you buy that Snake set that you so obviously own with dirty money."

"Oh, you popped me with a Sabre using T2 ammo going 15 km/s, do you really think that's some sort of achievement, cheater?"

Your reputation is at stake. Everything you built for the past 4 years is at stake. Everything!

Before you post in here with an alt, keep in mind that every single player in here that sees a pro-BoB or pro-t20 post in here will think it's a lie. Your credibility is moot. Gone. Done.

Whatever respect you might have is done. You can rule by fear, certainly. But every single student I teach will know how to avoid any tactic that you can put forward, I will make certain of it. It has been now posted that you are alliance griefers. Before it was just Eve, now you're griefers. Think about it.

I want to qualify what I'm saying through my red haze of anger that before, I really was not concerned with BoB. As a force you were to be respected, but like most rich pilots, they were pinatas that pop harder with better loot.

Now you will be known as cheaters. You could have said something to assuage your guilt. You could have let someone know what was going on but you didn't. You are guilty as charged and deserve any reprimands that you recieve.

From this day until the end of Eve, BoB will be known as cheaters, and no forum-whoring, no backpedaling, no spin, will be able to change that.

As a member of BoB, I want you to keep this in mind. Everything you have built may be for nought. Please consider your posts carefully, perhaps something can be salvaged from the wreckage....

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Originally by: Apocryphai

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There's bound to be a range of opinions over this issue, how about we try and air them without attacking each other personally, and attempt to discuss this like adults?

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Originally by: GuruJ

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Funny how we all are up in arms for this one thing.

No one is saying anything about the RIG gift BOB has got from CCP.
When the rigs came out guess what the most popular and rarest pieces were...... Melted Cap Consoles...... where is the one place in all the game where they drop.....BOB home space.

BOB has controlled the cap console market captive by limiting total number of wrecks sold. The fewer on the market, the higher the price.

I fought BOB in the ASCN war and let me tell you...... BOB cheated everywhere and it was obvious (day in day out) that BOB had powers that would allow them to log in before downtime is over, crash nodes, somehow control who can log back in after a crash......

IF you think this BPO thing is the only BOB problem..... then your are WRONG. BOB cheats and they get help from CCP... lost of help and everyone knows it.

This game is fun when you don't have the DEVS/ GMS helping one alliance win everything.

CCP=BOB Period end of Story.

GuruJ

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Originally by: ChironV

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Originally by: Sinlare

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Edited by: Sinlare on 10/02/2007 15:26:20

Originally by: Mayoz Miner

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Well tbh he might be a bit irate but he has a good point when I see a BoB member in a nice ship I think " yea probably gained that through cheating" (directly or indirectly). They have BENEFITED from this in many ways too ....butterfly effect..its just sad really cheaters when all said and done

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Then you should think again.

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Just like we should think again and look at all your posts then ask you to post with a main and stop hiding in an alt like a frightened little child.

BOB's credibility is done. They were tarnished by an untrustworthy Dev. For good, or for bad, no one will trust them again.

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