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ToxicFire
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:52:00 -
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This who affair makes me sorry.
t20's employment should be terminated sorry but rules are rules no one should be exempt CCP's made its position clear on stuff like numerous time, instant non-negotiable termination of employees contract. t20 knew this and chose to break those rules an apology though thoughtful is slightly pointless, also if CCP fails to follow its own policy it will leave a legal gap if it ever decides to sack an other employee for these kind of actions in the future.
BOB wether they did or did not knowingly participate or benefit from t20's actions this is what you will soley be remembered for from this point on. Every victory or unusual circumstance that BoB is involved or has been involved with over time will now be a focus of doubt for the integrity of BoB and CCP.
CCP a lot of people have lost faith in you now but the ball is in your court and you can do something about it visibly and quickly to stem and negative affects. But what ever you do, do it quickly I've seen similar things happen in other MMO's most of the time they went into a position where they were making a loss on the product very soon after said incidents.
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ToxicFire
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Posted - 2007.02.10 00:47:00 -
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Posting "/signed" or varients isn't constructive and adds little to the thread; please refrain - Serathu ([email protected])
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ToxicFire
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Posted - 2007.02.10 10:56:00 -
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Turn CCP into a PLC make the community subscribers shareholders. I think its the only way anyone will trust CCP again if they have a say in the running of the company.
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ToxicFire
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Posted - 2007.02.10 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Khanid Knight To solve this, there is only one solution. A 8 months role-back
With all benefits and dev help that BOB have got, there is no other way! Its not only the BPO's the got, the simply have cheated!
CCP don't like to change this, many corporations and alliance have been misleaded in a "fair" play. What if BOB would not have all thoos info from the devs and GM's, would the have beaten ASCN? (and i'm not a fan of them)
And how comes that with a system crash BOB is always on the winning side?
Its time that CCP explain all of this for ones.
If not, there is simply no reason to play this game any longer
An 8 month rollback in a game which revolves around ammount of time played would be suicidal for the game.
imagine the game did get rolled back 8 months... everything gets rolled back skills cash, time invested new players accounted get wiped. That would be shortly followed by everyone demanding an 8 months refund itself an costly task. That would also be shortly followed by layoffs at CCP which would be followed by the game going **** up which would be followed by CCP closing.
A roll back even though it would be the best solution to solve the problems is immpossible.
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ToxicFire
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Posted - 2007.02.10 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Eron Lygera
Originally by: Mortania
As for BoB, as I posted in my original post on page 50, you don't act arrogant and standoffish in this case. That they benefitted, no matter how small over others, means they need to be that much more diligent in their separating themselves from the events. ****ooing it is not what people who understand the gravity of the ethical violations should be doing.
Ofcourse they benifitted, I guess thats why T20 did it in the first place. But did the bob-leaders know that they were building on a stolen BPO? And should they be punished even if it cant be proven that they did?
We cant jugde people on speculation alone. And yet people want a spanish inquisition to roll over this particular alliance. But if we do that, every alliance and corp should have an equal "treatment". For all fairness sake.
Im leaving the house now, but you are welcome to eve-mail me if you want to continue the discussion.
Acutally we can judge people in game on reputation and speculation as thats the only thing we've got no one can ever offer the community solid proof that BoB did or didn't know personally I don't belive anyone below high management level in BoB knew but the point is even if they didn't the rep is tarnished now and they're never gonna be able to remove the stain. The community wants blood it doesn't look like its gonna get to see t20 fired so they're going for the next target which is BoB. If this had happend to a small alliance people wouldn't have been so bothered but it had to be BoB didn't it. Mud sticks.
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ToxicFire
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Posted - 2007.02.11 01:09:00 -
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Edited by: ToxicFire on 11/02/2007 01:07:38 2000th in a few post still no clear direction on what ccp is currently doing.
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ToxicFire
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Posted - 2007.02.11 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Plutoinum
Originally by: Xthril Ranger
Originally by: Captain Hudson does even 95% of the playerbase know about this or care? i for 1 dont care, the 1 guy..1 guy !!! got caught and returened what he stole. BoB as a whole r not cheaters and i think anyone that says so are bitter little souls.
Time to realise that this is not so much about t20 , but the coverup.
Time for people to realise that they should request and wait for more infos from CCP, before they blame BoB for all imaginable or even unimaginable things. At the moment there is no proof that there were any big issues going on that played a major role in BoBs achievements. I repeat: No proof ! The BPOs that were mentioned didn't play a major role and it's totally unclear, if the other BoBs knew, how those BPOs were obtained.
The EULA violations like account sharing / allowing someone else to log into your account for whatever purpose are not BoB-invented / BoB typical, the only big story about it is that devs maybe knew about it and didn't stop it.
So before you accuse BoB of being the uber-cheaters and having reached everything with cheating, you need proof. If CCPs information is too vague, then demand more. Some parts of the community seem like crybabies now. BoB has a lot more more valuable BPOs and surely most of them are obtained legally. I know people myself, who had several tech-2 BPOs, before they joined BoB. What do you think happens with them ? Yes, they probably build stuff for the alliance with it.
And some parts of the community seem like a lynch mob. Destroy BoB now, ask question later. Feel free to destroy BoB, but for the right reasons. If you have no proof that dev support played a major role in their success, then don't do like it's a fact. Looks like EVE becomes a Kindergarten. Children also cry loud to get what they want, no matter if it's reasonable or not.
If you want/need more infos, ask CCP for more ! If you don't get them blame CCP.
Ok, that was all from me. Now go on with the irrational crying about a conspiracy that never gave anyone ever a chance, if he wasn't in BoB. Have fun.
Yup theres no proof that BoB has done anything... theres also no proof they didn't do anything. This isn't an environment where people are innocent until proven guilty its an environment totally based on reputation of which BoB currently has a rather tarnished one even if through no fault of their own, and futher more any proof Offered up will never be belived at this point unless it was provided by some un-involved third party... somewhat impossible in this situation.
Theres a whole lot of frustration yes its frustration in this community at the moment they feel they've wasted their time by been a fair part of its community when things like this have happend and people need to vent this frustration so they are looking for targets. In reality most people know that the majority of BoB wouldn't have had a clue about any of this until it came out here, so I bet theres some pritty heated internal threads at the moment on BoB's forums. Trust is everything in a game like this once its gone theres pritty much nothing that can stop more accusations like this, this may not be the one that packs the punch but there will be others (possibly true possibly not we'll never know) and there will be more doubt and it will spiral and snowball and EVE will slip in the eyes of the larger community. People wouldn't give a toss if BoB owned all of the map if there was no doubt that they were all above board but theres always gonna be that question now, the same will be said for any major alliance that seems to be lucky or just good.
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