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Bear Care	Posted - 2007.02.10 15:53:00 - [1] hello after the recent events the reputation of BoB members has gone down the drain. All you will ever do in the future or have done can now be claimed as "gained by cheats". Im sure there are alot of innoncent people who knew nothing about this. But now that you know are you going to stay in BoB. Or stay as an ally of them etc. Do you really want to be apart of this group of cheaters? If you have any honor or still would like to accomplish something in this game i think its best to distance you from all this.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.10 15:56:00 - [2] We have a CODE RED the soap opera and general discussion forums have sprung a leak and whiny bs is pouring into C&P we need the leak patched ASAP! Half Assed Rhymage
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.02.10 15:58:00 - [3] they dont care. but tbh i am impressed with BoB's apparent no posting on forums rule atm. *Before complaining about any ship try flying Minmatar*
Xoria Krint The Movement	Posted - 2007.02.10 16:03:00 - [4] Originally by: slothe but tbh i am impressed with BoB's apparent no posting on forums rule atm. Thats probably why they are losing members "What? We can't post on the forum? Im out of here." --- My Movies
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.10 16:12:00 - [5] Originally by: Xoria Krint Originally by: slothe but tbh i am impressed with BoB's apparent no posting on forums rule atm. Thats probably why they are losing members "What? We can't post on the forum? Im out of here." unlikely forums aren't that great I'm here after all Half Assed Rhymage
Samirol Blood Sweat and Tears	Posted - 2007.02.10 16:20:00 - [6] i call them vassals/renters because they pay for their space aka rent it out. anyway, they dont care. It isnt about bob at all, they only made maybe 14b isk from the sabre bpo, which equates a mothership. Its NOT THAT MUCH to bob, they won using superior tactics and strategy, not a measly sum of isk from a bpo.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.10 16:29:00 - [7] Originally by: Samirol i call them vassals/renters because they pay for their space aka rent it out. anyway, they dont care. It isnt about bob at all, they only made maybe 14b isk from the sabre bpo, which equates a mothership. Its NOT THAT MUCH to bob, they won using superior tactics and strategy, not a measly sum of isk from a bpo. Enough bob talk in the holy lands. Can you stay in one corp for more than 5 minutes? Half Assed Rhymage
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.10 16:43:00 - [8] History lesson. Most of goonfleet clearly cheated with their "portrait hack" So thats one confirmed cheat in BoB vs. most of the OHGOD alliance being confirmed cheaters.
Scoundrelus's Alt	Posted - 2007.02.10 17:23:00 - [9] Originally by: Samirol i call them vassals/renters because they pay for their space aka rent it out. anyway, they dont care. It isnt about bob at all, they only made maybe 14b isk from the sabre bpo, which equates a mothership. Its NOT THAT MUCH to bob, they won using superior tactics and strategy, not a measly sum of isk from a bpo. You think that it stopped at simply a BPO? Do you honestly believe that the dev gave them the BPO and said "There but thats ALL I'm doing for you got it?"
Zenobite The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.02.10 17:53:00 - [10] Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch History lesson. Most of goonfleet clearly cheated with their "portrait hack" So thats one confirmed cheat in BoB vs. most of the OHGOD alliance being confirmed cheaters. So thats the same thing as having dev's scout for you? We only know about a few BPOs they were given - you don't think they have been given more? Or how about new complexes added to BoB space? Or the rare rig parts which are almost exclusive to bob space. Yeah thats on the same scale
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.10 17:56:00 - [11] Talk here and go away k thnx bye Half Assed Rhymage
SisterBliss	Posted - 2007.02.10 18:05:00 - [12] Edited by: SisterBliss on 10/02/2007 18:04:53 Yeah lets all stick up for bob
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.10 18:27:00 - [13] Originally by: Scoundrelus's Alt Originally by: Samirol i call them vassals/renters because they pay for their space aka rent it out. anyway, they dont care. It isnt about bob at all, they only made maybe 14b isk from the sabre bpo, which equates a mothership. Its NOT THAT MUCH to bob, they won using superior tactics and strategy, not a measly sum of isk from a bpo. You think that it stopped at simply a BPO? Do you honestly believe that the dev gave them the BPO and said "There but thats ALL I'm doing for you got it?" Got any proof? But as ScreamingLord Sutch said Goons exploited and got away with it so how is it any different?
Scoundrelus's Alt	Posted - 2007.02.10 18:30:00 - [14] Edited by: Scoundrelus''s Alt on 10/02/2007 18:27:36 Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Scoundrelus's Alt Originally by: Samirol i call them vassals/renters because they pay for their space aka rent it out. anyway, they dont care. It isnt about bob at all, they only made maybe 14b isk from the sabre bpo, which equates a mothership. Its NOT THAT MUCH to bob, they won using superior tactics and strategy, not a measly sum of isk from a bpo. You think that it stopped at simply a BPO? Do you honestly believe that the dev gave them the BPO and said "There but thats ALL I'm doing for you got it?" Got any proof? But as ScreamingLord Sutch said Goons exploited and got away with it so how is it any different? Yeah, its called common sense. And so what you're saying is goons got away with it and then so should BoB? Well then, why not free all the murders from prison since O.J. got away with it.
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.10 18:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Scoundrelus's Alt Edited by: Scoundrelus''s Alt on 10/02/2007 18:27:36 Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Scoundrelus's Alt Originally by: Samirol i call them vassals/renters because they pay for their space aka rent it out. anyway, they dont care. It isnt about bob at all, they only made maybe 14b isk from the sabre bpo, which equates a mothership. Its NOT THAT MUCH to bob, they won using superior tactics and strategy, not a measly sum of isk from a bpo. You think that it stopped at simply a BPO? Do you honestly believe that the dev gave them the BPO and said "There but thats ALL I'm doing for you got it?" Got any proof? But as ScreamingLord Sutch said Goons exploited and got away with it so how is it any different? Yeah, its called common sense. And so what you're saying is goons got away with it and then so should BoB? Well then, why not free all the murders from prison since O.J. got away with it. Nope i'm not saying it's right but how can people be in uproar with this but not others exploiting. Anyhow this isn't the place so i'll stop
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.10 19:56:00 - [16] Originally by: Zenobite Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch History lesson. Most of goonfleet clearly cheated with their "portrait hack" So thats one confirmed cheat in BoB vs. most of the OHGOD alliance being confirmed cheaters. So thats the same thing as having dev's scout for you? We only know about a few BPOs they were given - you don't think they have been given more? Or how about new complexes added to BoB space? Or the rare rig parts which are almost exclusive to bob space. Yeah thats on the same scale The tinfoilhat is strong in you. Go and howl at the moon. Seriously, the worst thing about this is because a single member was caught cheating people like you can come up with every outlandish suggestion and say "yeah, but it COULDA happened!" The goons were "caught" for one sploit, what about the ones they werent caught for? They coulda allied with people that used carrier/mackinaw exploits and exploit 6/10's with account sharing so they can use them 23/7. Oh wait....
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.10 20:16:00 - [17] please continue talking coad in the c&p Half Assed Rhymage
Cammulos Magnetar Ltd	Posted - 2007.02.10 22:56:00 - [18] Why are all these Band of Boobies threads spilling over into the ONE forum I still enjoy visit from EVE-O?
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.10 23:13:00 - [19] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Scoundrelus's Alt Originally by: Samirol i call them vassals/renters because they pay for their space aka rent it out. anyway, they dont care. It isnt about bob at all, they only made maybe 14b isk from the sabre bpo, which equates a mothership. Its NOT THAT MUCH to bob, they won using superior tactics and strategy, not a measly sum of isk from a bpo. You think that it stopped at simply a BPO? Do you honestly believe that the dev gave them the BPO and said "There but thats ALL I'm doing for you got it?" Got any proof? But as ScreamingLord Sutch said Goons exploited and got away with it so how is it any different? It would be a little uncritical of you to imagine that a Dev would spawn items into the game for an alliance (therefore putting his job on the line), but wouldn't do anything else for them. Dear god that would be going too far wouldn't it? ----------------- Originally by: BoB forum PR Toxic sludge is good for you.
Slash Harnet Minmatar Industrial Services INC	Posted - 2007.02.10 23:35:00 - [20] As much as I love this topic I'll repeat what was already said. Go HERE and wear the tin foil hats (they are available at the door). Now, if you want to discuss solving the problem by a BoB vs. EVE war then feel free to continue. signature removed ... Pirlouit I finally got my sig nerfed once, I feel like a forum warrior!
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.10 23:41:00 - [21] Originally by: Cammulos Why are all these Band of Boobies threads spilling over into the ONE forum I still enjoy visit from EVE-O? Stupid OP's mostly Half Assed Rhymage
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:23:00 - [22] Stay the **** out of this forum you whiny alt.
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.11 01:31:00 - [23] After 29 pages of posts, Keiron has locked the main thread in Eve Information Portal concerning the BoB/BoD conspiracy. The community has been instructed to not start similiar posts. So where else can we talk about these events? I don't mind if they appear in C&P tbh.
vile56 Nubs. Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.11 02:19:00 - [24] Originally by: Dr Slice After 29 pages of posts, Keiron has locked the main thread in Eve Information Portal concerning the BoB/BoD conspiracy. The community has been instructed to not start similiar posts. So where else can we talk about these events? I don't mind if they appear in C&P tbh. tbh i dont knw why you kids post after they see your corp name its interpreted to we are ubar flame us, even when you do make valid post. so id edit it cause you will have a multi alt warzone with alts flameing snowy and bob at the same time i dont think c&p can handle it
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.11 02:24:00 - [25] Originally by: vile56 Originally by: Dr Slice After 29 pages of posts, Keiron has locked the main thread in Eve Information Portal concerning the BoB/BoD conspiracy. The community has been instructed to not start similiar posts. So where else can we talk about these events? I don't mind if they appear in C&P tbh. tbh i dont knw why you kids post after they see your corp name its interpreted to we are ubar flame us, even when you do make valid post. so id edit it cause you will have a multi alt warzone with alts flameing snowy and bob at the same time i dont think c&p can handle it lol!
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.02.11 03:19:00 - [26] Originally by: Samirol i call them vassals/renters because they pay for their space aka rent it out. anyway, they dont care. It isnt about bob at all, they only made maybe 14b isk from the sabre bpo, which equates a mothership. Its NOT THAT MUCH to bob, they won using superior tactics and strategy, not a measly sum of isk from a bpo. IBTL (delete) The issue is this: for as long as I've played eve, I've known that BoB had develepors/gms/QA and just about any other type of CCP employees in their alliance. Before this whole hub-bub started, I had always stated (having formerly worked in MMO development) that there was a serious conflict of interest inherent in CCP employees participating in this game. Were it like other MMOs with more than one server, this conflict of interest would have been somewhat muted. However, the nature of this MMO being what it is, even the appearence of a serious conflict of interest was enough for me to say, categorically, that CCP involvment in-game should be curtailed. And this apparent conflict of interest, I might add, goes far beyond possible outright cheats, but goes towards game development and balancing as a whole. The economy, and the game breaking (for newer players) outrageous prices on tech two ships (without full insurability) come to mind. By participating in an alliance, and in the economy, the people who design this game have an apparent interest in not making changes that might harm their position, but would be good for the game as a whole. All of this was just obvious before the current "crisis." Now, however, it appears that at least once employees of CCP have engaged in outright cheating, seeding tech 2 BPOs to BoB. This was beyond what I thought possible at a company who makes its money designing MMOs. Now we are left with a situation where cheating has known to have taken place. We can no longer trust CCP or BoB to some extent. So, sure, it seems like its only a few billion in BPOs (how much did they make manfucturing these items.) Now we have real reason to believe that this level of cheating may go far beyond this one, known instance. We cannot trust, any longer, that alliance warfare, the economy, the petion system, etc are fair. Anyway. Hopefully, I'm done posting about this.
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.02.11 05:24:00 - [27] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Nope i'm not saying it's right but how can people be in uproar with this but not others exploiting. Anyhow this isn't the place so i'll stop People aren't particularly in a uproar about what Goonswarm did because a whole lot of people felt that should have been in the game anyway, and now is. What BOB is accused of having done/doing involved direct intervention by the part of the devs and GMs. Finding a way to exploit portraits is very different than getting handed BPOs or having your scouting done by a gm frigate (if said accusations are true, no idea myself.) A whole lot of mOo got banned right? A lot of people seem to hold them in high regard despite them being exploiters. The playerbase doesn't necessarily care if you're exploiting. They do care if you're getting things handed to you. ---
Samirol Blood Sweat and Tears	Posted - 2007.02.11 06:09:00 - [28] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Samirol i call them vassals/renters because they pay for their space aka rent it out. anyway, they dont care. It isnt about bob at all, they only made maybe 14b isk from the sabre bpo, which equates a mothership. Its NOT THAT MUCH to bob, they won using superior tactics and strategy, not a measly sum of isk from a bpo. Enough bob talk in the holy lands. Can you stay in one corp for more than 5 minutes? i was in ore mongers for 8-9 months, i dont want to hear it wannabe forum *****
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.11 06:13:00 - [29] Originally by: Samirol Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Samirol i call them vassals/renters because they pay for their space aka rent it out. anyway, they dont care. It isnt about bob at all, they only made maybe 14b isk from the sabre bpo, which equates a mothership. Its NOT THAT MUCH to bob, they won using superior tactics and strategy, not a measly sum of isk from a bpo. Enough bob talk in the holy lands. Can you stay in one corp for more than 5 minutes? i was in ore mongers for 8-9 months, i dont want to hear it wannabe forum *** yes and now that your out of ore mongers you've been giving all pirate/empire war corps sloppy seconds,thirds, and even foruths and whats with this wannabe forum *** jibba jabba can't I just post a lot without being compared to your "gods" for once Half Assed Rhymage
ArtemisEntreri Turbulent	Posted - 2007.02.11 06:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Samirol Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Samirol i call them vassals/renters because they pay for their space aka rent it out. anyway, they dont care. It isnt about bob at all, they only made maybe 14b isk from the sabre bpo, which equates a mothership. Its NOT THAT MUCH to bob, they won using superior tactics and strategy, not a measly sum of isk from a bpo. Enough bob talk in the holy lands. Can you stay in one corp for more than 5 minutes? i was in ore mongers for 8-9 months, i dont want to hear it wannabe forum *** yes and now that your out of ore mongers you've been giving all pirate/empire war corps sloppy seconds,thirds, and even foruths and whats with this wannabe forum *** jibba jabba can't I just post a lot without being compared to your "gods" for once You post more than Dark Shikari, and what's the point? You're an alt, so you're not gaining any reputation, except hiding behind alts being all PC and posting only for the sake of posting. And I've seen your posts a lot of them are eye rolling posts or some red colored flame alarm stuff which is poinltess garbage
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.11 06:39:00 - [31] Originally by: ArtemisEntreri You're an alt Good work sherlock now who's alt am I? I will give you 100 million isk from my mains account if you can find out who it is. Half Assed Rhymage
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.02.11 07:14:00 - [32] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: ArtemisEntreri You're an alt Good work sherlock now who's alt am I? I will give you 100 million isk from my mains account if you can find out who it is. Ginger Magician... Alright, pay up.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.11 07:17:00 - [33] Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: ArtemisEntreri You're an alt Good work sherlock now who's alt am I? I will give you 100 million isk from my mains account if you can find out who it is. Ginger Magician... Alright, pay up. I don't have 100 mill Half Assed Rhymage
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.11 07:47:00 - [34] Originally by: Ridley Tree or having your scouting done by a gm frigate (if said accusations are true, no idea myself.) Dont quite believe that one myself. GM's can move around unseen, if he'd been doing something fishy why show his face?
Devian 666 KAIZEN BROTHERHOOD	Posted - 2007.02.11 09:36:00 - [35] Nice to be aware of this happening and being investigated. They still have to play the game without cheating or they'll lose perspective. That and events leading to market tampering will only cause more inflation. Cool an orange sig
AaronP Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.02.11 11:18:00 - [36] What a silly thread. Look forward to seeing some of you out there on the field
Khorian Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.02.11 13:29:00 - [37] Originally by: Bear Care hello Hi. Originally by: Bear Care after the recent events the reputation of BoB members has gone down the drain. All you will ever do in the future or have done can now be claimed as "gained by cheats". Nothing new there. BoB is the Top Dog. Your mission is to defeat them and take their space to become BoB yourselves. Originally by: Bear Care Im sure there are alot of innoncent people who knew nothing about this. But now that you know are you going to stay in BoB. Or stay as an ally of them etc. Do you really want to be apart of this group of cheaters? Contradicting. You know that there are probably 99% of BoB members that did never cheat. Yet you are also right about the fact that people generalise BoB as cheaters. I will use a ghey bible quote: He who is without sin throw the first stone. Originally by: Bear Care If you have any honor or still would like to accomplish something in this game i think its best to distance you from all this. Why is BoB so successful? They are the smartest alliance in EvE, they rule over some of the best regions with an iron fist. They have expirience, they have deep wallets, and they have multiple Titans. The role model for BoB is probably that of an ancient country back on Planet Earth, called USA, judging from their strategic approaches. We won't bow down to some barbarian hordes, we have chosen our allies and you have chosen yours. Now we just have to do our jobs and talk again in a few weeks.
Scoundrelus's Alt	Posted - 2007.02.11 16:28:00 - [38] I D D Q D Some people will understand that, some won't.
Slash Harnet Minmatar Industrial Services INC	Posted - 2007.02.11 18:06:00 - [39] This thread if further proof that there is no mod for CaP. signature removed ... Pirlouit I finally got my sig nerfed once, I feel like a forum warrior!
tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.11 18:10:00 - [40] Who is the BOB guy everyones talking about... seriously, talk about something worthwhile like myself or OctoberSnow Corp.
cytomatrix Caldari Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.11 18:30:00 - [41] Originally by: tiller Who is the BOB guy everyones talking about... seriously, talk about something worthwhile like myself or OctoberSnow Corp. Who are you btw? ______________________________________________________________
Cadela Fria Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.02.11 18:57:00 - [42] A short comment to all the: z0mG what if BoB did this, and that...and who says they didn't do this....and what about that...and this too...and OMG ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY!!! - Junk ...My answer is simple; What if they didn't do it? Who says they did? All this conspiracy crap is pointless and from the looks of it...even if you were told a billion times that nothing more is going on..you still won't believe it, so whats the point in asking. You'll never get the answer you want. - New sig in the workings -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right - ....steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr >_>
Aria Jenneth Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.11 19:12:00 - [43] I'd actually be much more worried if CCP hadn't 'fessed up to anything at all. If-- IF there was a conspiracy, it would be in its best interests to dispel all belief in itself, best done by appearing infallible and objective. By admitting to this one instance of cheating, CCP has, in my eyes, made itself much more trustworthy. These people aren't computers, following programmed commands; they're human beings with passions, limits, and failings. Human beings in a guilty mode clam up, because admitting to any wrongdoing at all exposes a thread that can unravel the whole. Human beings trying for honesty and openness expose their own wrongdoings, because trust (renewed trust, even) can't be built on dishonesty; to try to do so risks total collapse if the cheating gets exposed by somone else.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.11 19:26:00 - [44] Originally by: ArtemisEntreri You post more than Dark Shikari, and what's the point? I don't know if he is, but he's trying damn hard at it. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.11 19:46:00 - [45] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: ArtemisEntreri You post more than Dark Shikari, and what's the point? I don't know if he is, but he's trying damn hard at it. I could care less about who is regarded as some forum god the fact of the matter is that I just post a lot Half Assed Rhymage
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.02.11 19:53:00 - [46] Originally by: Aria Jenneth I'd actually be much more worried if CCP hadn't 'fessed up to anything at all. If-- IF there was a conspiracy, it would be in its best interests to dispel all belief in itself, best done by appearing infallible and objective. By admitting to this one instance of cheating, CCP has, in my eyes, made itself much more trustworthy. These people aren't computers, following programmed commands; they're human beings with passions, limits, and failings. Human beings in a guilty mode clam up, because admitting to any wrongdoing at all exposes a thread that can unravel the whole. Human beings trying for honesty and openness expose their own wrongdoings, because trust (renewed trust, even) can't be built on dishonesty; to try to do so risks total collapse if the cheating gets exposed by somone else. Again, having worked for an MMO company in the past, I feel a need to speak up here. Certainlly, people who make, test, design, referee EVE Online are people. People do make mistakes. However, like most for profit companies in this world, and every video game publisher I've ever worked for, cheating should not be tolerated. If someone at Apple was giving free computers to their friends, if someone at Enron tells their friends to sell, if a coke distributor gives out free soda, or if a GM at Blizard hands out free gold to their friends on WoW they are fired. End of story. CCP employees cheating whether admited or not, whether a human error or not, need to be terminated. Simple as that. -Karlemgne
Cadela Fria Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.02.11 21:01:00 - [47] Edited by: Cadela Fria on 11/02/2007 20:58:10 Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Aria Jenneth I'd actually be much more worried if CCP hadn't 'fessed up to anything at all. If-- IF there was a conspiracy, it would be in its best interests to dispel all belief in itself, best done by appearing infallible and objective. By admitting to this one instance of cheating, CCP has, in my eyes, made itself much more trustworthy. These people aren't computers, following programmed commands; they're human beings with passions, limits, and failings. Human beings in a guilty mode clam up, because admitting to any wrongdoing at all exposes a thread that can unravel the whole. Human beings trying for honesty and openness expose their own wrongdoings, because trust (renewed trust, even) can't be built on dishonesty; to try to do so risks total collapse if the cheating gets exposed by somone else. Again, having worked for an MMO company in the past, I feel a need to speak up here. Certainlly, people who make, test, design, referee EVE Online are people. People do make mistakes. However, like most for profit companies in this world, and every video game publisher I've ever worked for, cheating should not be tolerated. If someone at Apple was giving free computers to their friends, if someone at Enron tells their friends to sell, if a coke distributor gives out free soda, or if a GM at Blizard hands out free gold to their friends on WoW they are fired. End of story. CCP employees cheating whether admited or not, whether a human error or not, need to be terminated. Simple as that. -Karlemgne So what MMO Company did you work for? So far what you just said sounds like "Doctor Nick" from The Simpsons. Wild claims based on absolutely nothing factual and/or useful. You think cheating is tolerated in EVE? You think what happened is tolerated? Then how come the investigation, how come the new security policy..and how come a confession was made? How come Kieron made so many posts about the progression of the whole incident? How come the big cheese of CCP made a big speech in public about this? Originally by: Karlemgne CCP employees cheating whether admited or not, whether a human error or not, need to be terminated. Simple as that. Says you, but you don't make the decisions, nor the rules, nor does constantly yapping about what other companies do, make it true. How do I know this? Why..cause I used to work for a MMO company, I know every intricate detail of how things should be, therefor everything I say automatically must be true. - New sig in the workings -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right - ....steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr >_>
Soren PAK	Posted - 2007.02.11 21:25:00 - [48] I can't believe this made it into C&P.. ☠-->-->--
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.11 21:34:00 - [49] Originally by: Soren I can't believe this made it into C&P.. There are no mods in C&P this is the 0.0 of the forums Half Assed Rhymage
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.02.11 21:43:00 - [50] Edited by: Karlemgne on 11/02/2007 21:42:49 So what MMO Company did you work for? The company or companies that I used to work for are not the issue. However, I still feel a need, even as someone who no longer works for a company developing an MMO, to keep the company name, and the MMO, out of this discussion. Simply because I still play the game/games I used to work on, and I respect myself, my former employer,my former co-workers, and the players I group with on a regular basis enough to not disclouse. Simply because I wish to avoid even the appearance of impopriety. Quite unlike what seems to have happened here. So far what you just said sounds like "Doctor Nick" from The Simpsons. Wild claims based on absolutely nothing factual and/or useful. Whether or not you believe me is irrelevent. The facts that I am stating are not wild. We have a situation where a developer who was playing the game, as a player, and not as someone doing QA work, admits to purposefully cheating for the benefit of himself, and his alliance. In this case, this person, mistake or not, has violated an ethical boundary that he knew he should not. Him staying with CCP is harmeful to CCP as a business and EVE online as a game. This very discussion, and the 20 or so others like it, not to mention the press this is getting in industry magizines and websites, testify to this. You think cheating is tolerated in EVE? You think what happened is tolerated? Obviouslly it was tolerated to a certain extent, or the developer in question would be gone. Further, it seems a shame that it took an incident like this being made public for CCP to ***** down. AFAIC, employee acounts (which have obvious flags on them for in-house auditing) should have been monitered very closely from the begining. This is a step that most companies take. How come the big cheese of CCP made a big speech in public about this? Well, how could he not seeing as the magnitude of the allegations against certain CCP employees and members of BoB? Says you, but you don't make the decisions, nor the rules, nor does constantly yapping about what other companies do, make it true. This is true, I don't make the decisions. All I can do is base my opinion on my experiences with the PC gaming industry. Plain and simple. I think it seems obvious, to alot of people, not just myself, what steps need to be taken. And judging from the industry publications I've read recently, it isn't just players who are aware of this. Why..cause I used to work for a MMO company, I know every intricate detail of how things should be, therefor everything I say automatically must be true. This is a "wild" exageration of what I said. I just expressed an opinion, based on my own experiences. There is no inherent truth to what I said, other than I know what other companies do. Bottom line is this. It is a shame this has happened, and it comes to devisive bickering amongst the players of EVE Online. CCP is an excellent company over all, that I admire greatly, especially with the addition of White Wolf publishing. Further, this company that started small has managed to do what no other MMO company has ever done, and that, imo, is make the greatest MMO ever-period. I think with a little soul searching, and accepting of responsibility on the parts of the parties involved, we can move on, as if this has never happened, and return to smacking eachother for what's important, our in-game performance. -Karlemgne
Arushia Nova Labs	Posted - 2007.02.11 22:50:00 - [51] Originally by: Scoundrelus's Alt I D D Q D Some people will understand that, some won't. That's probably the real reason for BoDB's success, no matter what people like Khorian claim.
Cadela Fria Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.12 00:09:00 - [52] sighs Not only did you miss my entire point, but you also somehow managed to....Ah whats the point, here you go passes around tinfoil hats knock yourself out. - New sig in the workings -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right - ....steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr >_>
Samirol Blood Sweat and Tears	Posted - 2007.02.12 00:53:00 - [53] Originally by: Arushia BoDB i chuckled
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.02.12 01:14:00 - [54] Edited by: Ridley Tree on 12/02/2007 01:10:55 Originally by: Samirol i chuckled Your sig is teh win ;) ---
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.02.12 02:22:00 - [55] Originally by: Samirol i call them vassals/renters because they pay for their space aka rent it out. anyway, they dont care. It isnt about bob at all, they only made maybe 14b isk from the sabre bpo, which equates a mothership. Its NOT THAT MUCH to bob, they won using superior tactics and strategy, not a measly sum of isk from a bpo. They've admitted, well a dev admitted, that they had received through means outside the normal avenues a series of BPOs. However according to CCP they discovered this over 6 months ago and took no action. They only are taking action now because it has been revealed by outside sources. The problem is we have no idea how many other such incidents are under the rug just waiting to jump out. I don't believe t20 is the only dev to have through cheating affected one or more alliances. What we have is some serious issues. If its no big deal for BoB and given its size I'd say its fair to say that, then remove the BPOs and fine BoB the 15 billion (14 for Sabres and 1 for all the ammo). Split that among all the BoB corps equally. That's what has been done in the past to others, so it should be that way this time. The OP though has a valid point. No matter what happens, so long as BoB exists it will be under a cloud of suspicion from this time forward. That's unfortunate for the rank and file, who probably knew nothing, but its not something BoB or CCP will escape from.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.12 02:48:00 - [56] This threads silly.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:17:00 - [57] Originally by: Cadela Fria sighs Not only did you miss my entire point, but you also somehow managed to....Ah whats the point, here you go passes around tinfoil hats knock yourself out. So if I didn't address your point, what was it? Other than: "You are a liar, you never worked from an MMO company, because you won't say what one you worked for, and what the ** do you know anyway, you are just throwing around wild exagerations about what happened, even though you are only using what employees of CCP have admited to themselves, further how dare you have an opinion that contradicts CCP/BoB expectations based on anything other than the point of view of a player, but I would have disagreed with you anyway, because I have an agenda so just ** off." Please explain if I'm getting this wrong here. -Karlemgne
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:22:00 - [58] BoB is a forum Juggernaut it seems that even the holy land isn't safe. I'm going to find a bomb shelter brb Half Assed Rhymage
Cadela Fria Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:27:00 - [59] Edited by: Cadela Fria on 12/02/2007 03:26:16 Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Cadela Fria sighs Not only did you miss my entire point, but you also somehow managed to....Ah whats the point, here you go passes around tinfoil hats knock yourself out. So if I didn't address your point, what was it? Other than: "You are a liar, you never worked from an MMO company, because you won't say what one you worked for, and what the ** do you know anyway, you are just throwing around wild exagerations about what happened, even though you are only using what employees of CCP have admited to themselves, further how dare you have an opinion that contradicts CCP/BoB expectations based on anything other than the point of view of a player, but I would have disagreed with you anyway, because I have an agenda so just off." Please explain if I'm getting this wrong here. -Karlemgne No, I'm saying that constantly yapping about how you worked for a MMO, thus what you're saying has to be true...that you worked for a MMO is irrelevant altogether. I never once said you exagerrated on what happened, the only thing I said was that what they do in other MMO's and companies, is hardly relevant, because CCP did something else, and thats that..short, sweet and simple. I'm also saying you're wrong about saying this whole thing was tolerated, because it wasn't. If it was tolerated..nothing would have been said, let alone apologised for. Your idea of "Not tolerated" equates to someone being fired...in short you want to see heads roll for this. I don't. As for your opinion, I don't honestly care what your opinion is, we all have opinions and are entitled to them. It's when those opinions are expressed as "This is how I know it to be done properly, so do it..because I say so, anything else is a lie" as you seem to. I have no agenda except I'm tired of watching the witchhunt, conspiracy theories and general headless mucking about, concerning what should have been done, even though most reasonings behind that were given approximately 5 seconds of thought before posting. - New sig in the workings -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right** - ....steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr >_>
Streber Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.02.12 04:27:00 - [60] Originally by: Bear Care hello after the recent events the reputation of BoB members has gone down the drain. All you will ever do in the future or have done can now be claimed as "gained by cheats". Im sure there are alot of innoncent people who knew nothing about this. But now that you know are you going to stay in BoB. Or stay as an ally of them etc. Do you really want to be apart of this group of cheaters? If you have any honor or still would like to accomplish something in this game i think its best to distance you from all this. Are goons trying to bring this to EVERY forum? 4 not enough for you?
Akkarin Pagan Minmatar Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.12 07:02:00 - [61] Originally by: Bear Care hello after the recent events the reputation of BoB members has gone down the drain. All you will ever do in the future or have done can now be claimed as "gained by cheats". Im sure there are alot of innoncent people who knew nothing about this. But now that you know are you going to stay in BoB. Or stay as an ally of them etc. Do you really want to be apart of this group of cheaters? If you have any honor or still would like to accomplish something in this game i think its best to distance you from all this. ROFLLMSLAO Honour?????? in Eve?????? Where the gankers roam free, and only engage in >10 v 1????????? Wake up ffs. t20 was punished (prolly a final written warning under gross misconduct) so if they then fired him, for the same indiscression, he could sue for unfair dismissal. I know I would. As for BoB's "pets" They aren't allowed to join BoB gangs, pay a huge amount of isk to BoB just to be there, and are expected to look after small incursions into their area of BoB space (loaners / small roaming gangs) while BoB look after invading fleets. Beyond that, as long as they stick to the rules laid down by their landlords (spacelords?), they have almost nothing to do with BoB themselves. Of course you'll be wanting reams of proof that back up your paranoia. If it is that much of a deal, leave the game and can I have all of your stuff (goes to everyone else continually posting about this. I'm bored of it now, and want to red about something else on the forums!) Akkarin <3 - Immy
Samirol Blood Sweat and Tears	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:37:00 - [62] Originally by: Ridley Tree Edited by: Ridley Tree on 12/02/2007 01:10:55 Originally by: Samirol i chuckled Your sig is teh win ;) which one, i have 7-8 on a rotator
Patient 4127	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:18:00 - [63] Originally by: Cammulos Why are all these Band of Boobies threads spilling over into the ONE forum I still enjoy visit from EVE-O? Because of the Goonfleet propoganda machine presumably. Both BoB and Goon get that beyond the mid-level economics warfare the high-level games are based on morale. Hence both of them forum *****. Frankly, all I really care about BoB is that they have the little wardec icon :) As for Goons, those guys are fun too. I wish someone would pay to permadec them too :(
MalarEnares State War Academy	Posted - 2007.02.12 12:47:00 - [64] nothing to see here, move along. Get a new subject to whine about ppl.
WisdomLikeSilence Knights of Red Mars Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:03:00 - [65] I believe that even though Bob didnt need this money, they took it because they their leadership have no honour as players or individuals. I feel disgusted by these revelations as I always thought all the Bob is devs talk was baloney. Now I know different. I will never fight with or talk to or sell to or buy from a member of BoB. Boycott is the most effective way to deal with this. As a non aligned player with no interest in either goonfleet or Bobs supremacy, but an abiding interest in the game, a evefest frequenter and a long time gamer I think BoB should disband for the benefit of this game. I know a lot of people think the same. I want to use my robot-wisdo body!
Enaria Ferenic	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:13:00 - [66] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Talk here and go away k thnx bye BTW, this thread reached 106 pages and 3157 replies before Kieron locked it out.... This Char is now a Main!
Dirtball Kemono. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:42:00 - [67] Originally by: Zenobite how about new complexes added to BoB space Doesnt every region have 3x 6/10s over 5 jumps. Then another like 3 jumps from there so like 4 plex's in 8 jumps.

Karl Chroimcer Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:09:00 - [68] This does not belong in this forum, and there are many other threads on this same issue. Please post in one of them. Thanks. The Aussie Mod


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