It looks very good, but one thing:

We need the bubble for the bomb explosion radius back please.

I saw this comment on reddit but must confess to not understanding it. Could you explain please?

When you mouse-over a bomb launcher you get a sphere that shows you where the explosion of your bomb will hit.

When you mouse-over a bomb launcher you get a sphere that shows you where the explosion of your bomb will hit.

Nah that would be like an inbuilt aim-bot.


I wish I could try this new overlay out but I am afraid the client is now a picture show since the 5789027580246746782546754154897062956197561854 citadels are online in the same system.

bombs no longer have a prediction as to where they are going to detonate is this intended?

Will we have an option to keep the old tactical overlay with spheres?

bombs no longer have a prediction as to where they are going to detonate is this intended?

I think there is some disconnect right now between the aiming method and the new overlay.

Right, shouldn't be a problem. Will look into it asap.

Turtlepower, could we please have a 5km sphere effect back when we mouse-hover over a cyno module? Or some newer, shinier thing that accomplishes the same result.

http://puu.sh/nRirC/fdfe2e8903.jpg <- Screenshot of my tactical overlay in use

So using the old tactical overlay I can clearly see at all times my targeting range and the range of my guns if I so wish on any axis by hovering over them. With the new overlay, I cannot accurately judge targeting, optimal or falloff ranges on any axis other than the flat plane positioned on my ship. I can see the ship trace curve but I can't see people entering and exiting ranges for targeting and different modules. The red area on the plane with the dotted line isn't good enough, it doesn't account for all the possible locations in 3D space a ship could be.

In a game where almost every offensive module has a range of some sort, being able to accurately judge it is paramount.

I want to know the moment that a ship enters my targeting radius, I don't want to have to eyeball it. The tactical overlay right now is essential to good play and being able to judge distances.

I just don't feel that this new overlay (while being very pretty and shiny) will give me the information I need as fast as the old one.

In short, I want to keep my bubbles, or at least have the option to keep them.

I think your short 'Nope' to keeping it was harsh.

Maybe CCP could colour the curved lines orange if they are in range of the hovered-over module.

Actually, it does account for all possible locations in 3D space. It is a direct, precise and constant indication of distance from you. Keep your eye on where the trace curve intersects your ship's plane. That tells you the distance from you to the target no matter where the target is in space, whether below you, above, to the side, or in between. As soon as that intersection point crosses your range indicator (whether it be locking, optimal or falloff range) you know the ship is in range. No eyeballing required.

I'm sorry but why should I have to look away from the target to check how close he is on the plane next to my ship? Right now I can see exactly where he is at all times with a nifty little bubble. Why would I want to change that?

Interesting... because I can't see that now with the current setup. I have to rotate the camera around to get the proper viewing angle - for example, if my ship and the target ship are in-line in the view, there's zero information about how far away the target is outside of the overview. With the new tactical overlay, I can keep my isometric view and be able to easily see distance of all targets without having to move the camera. I find it much easier and faster to change the focus of my eyeballs to the side by an inch or two than it is to rotate the camera around.

CCP Turtlepower, I have a suggestion for the team:(...)

(General purpose question)
Is it the same team working on all of the EVE UI?

May I suggest an orange-ish bubble? I think that would look cool and wouldn't interfere with other color for other bubble effect

First, make the 0 m distance indicator start at the edge of your ship's signature radius, or whatever it is that the game uses to calculate distances between objects.

Could you add drone range as well ?

I've been getting a bug where the overlay will display when I didn't want it to after undocking. I have to click the overlay button twice to get it to go away.

I tried SiSi new Tactical Overlay mode. Unfortunately I noticed the line that connect your ship and target on-grid is missing again. Can Dev confirm if this is intentional or a bug?

Good Overlay but not all ships get that curved line.

Good idea, we will look into it.

Actually, it does account for all possible locations in 3D space. It is a direct, precise and constant indication of distance from you. Keep your eye on where the trace curve intersects your ship's plane. That tells you the distance from you to the target no matter where the target is in space, whether below you, above, to the side, or in between. As soon as that intersection point crosses your range indicator (whether it be locking, optimal or falloff range) you know the ship is in range. No eyeballing required.

Some things show a different distance on XY plane, which is really annoying. For example, if you undock from a gallente outpost, the cloning service says it's 24km away, the tactical overlay shows a dot at 30km

Is it possible to get a Speed / direction vector arrow for the locked targets? To visualise the velocity and direction of other ships?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6456138

That was fast. Not sure if that kicked the development but Thank You! :)

Feels like my wish came true!

Turtlepower, could we please have a 5km sphere effect back when we mouse-hover over a cyno module? Or some newer, shinier thing that accomplishes the same result.

I don't recall seeing this on singularity, but it appears CCP has changed the tactical camera. Before it used to draw straight, vertical, lines to an object in order to display their horizontal position in relation to you even though they were on a different plane. This was invaluable, at least to me, in determining the location of objects, targets, etc. in relation to me, both vertically and horizontally. Depth and actual location is somewhat difficult to tell on a 2D screen representing 3D space. The old tactical camera did a wonderful job of resolving this issue.

Now, the new tactical camera draws curved lines to what appears to be the representation of their distance to you on the 'circle grid'. I don't need this, if I select the object or mouse over it, it tells me it's distance or I can look at the overview. I need to know where objects are in relation to me at a glance....this new curved line makes objects that are directly below me appear to be, say, 70km in front of me or beside me. This is not helpful at all and clutters up that 'disc grid' with useless points that don't accurately tell me, at a glance, where something is in relation to me. It basically makes the whole camera mode useless and more of a hindrance.

I haven't been able to find an option to change this curved line back to the straight one. I'm hoping it's a bug and isn't supposed to represent distance. I'm not even sure why this change would have been made. It's highly infuriating.

If CCP sees this, please fix or change it back.

P.S. I'm not sure where I can post feed back for this, the feedback area I found wouldn't let me post a new topic and didn't have a topic about the tactical camera specifically, so I tossed this up in general.

Nope, but we will make sure the new overlay has all the same features as the old one before it replaces the old one on Tranquility.

Cheers,
CCP Turtlepower

Nope, but we will make sure the new overlay has all the same features as the old one before it replaces the old one on Tranquility.

Cheers,
CCP Turtlepower

Recently found out what I earlier reported as a Bug, is actually a New Tactical Overlay.

It has no Spheres for ranges so its hard to tell if something is in range or not if directly above/below you.
The arc point thingy that is uses is nowhere near the ship so you have to look away from the target to tell if it's in range or not.

It's even worse at the other end of the range level https://i.gyazo.com/6d5f44159c723c1466e1573215dc4935.jpg , I can't tell if I'm directly above something anymore or not, no vertical line to the plane to tell, direct line to asteroid, but no arc either.

Where are the straight, vertical, lines showing where an object above or below me is in relation to my horizontal plane?

In order to make further improvements, we would like to draw your attention to cyno placement in the new tactial overlay.

I really really dislike this new one and it's basically integral to my PvP playstyle. I haven't PvP'd since you replaced it and I don't feel comfortable doing so. It just doesn't give me the information I need because it lacks proper 3D representation without tracing curved lines all over the place.

I really really dislike this new one and it's basically integral to my PvP playstyle. I haven't PvP'd since you replaced it and I don't feel comfortable doing so. It just doesn't give me the information I need because it lacks proper 3D representation without tracing curved lines all over the place.

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What exactly is missing from the new overlay that would give you the information you need? Is it just the curved vs. straight lines, or is it something else?

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CCP Turtlepower // Team Psycho Sisters

One thing that I don't recognize is a red dotted circle at about 55km (in my industrial). Anyone know what that represents?

It's just that the curved lines are all very close to each other when you have a group of ships, they don't stand out very well and they didn't give the instant visual representation that the spheres did. Having proxy lines that represent a ship is no substitute for actually having the ship itself inside or outside the targeting bubble.

When there are more than 5-10 ships on grid, distinguishing those curved lines for each ship then tracing it up to the horizontal plane is next to impossible as they all merge into each other. I liked having a 3D representation of my targeting, gun range, falloff and ranges for my other modules.

I used to move my camera around to the side of the ship, zoom out and kite watch the enemy ship drifting in and out of the bubble. I could easily see if the enemy ship was entering or exiting my range bubble, but now it's hard to tell.

If other ships joined the fray I could see where they were instantly with relation to my guns. With this new system I have to take my eyes off the other ship, trace the new enemy's line and then go back to the other ship by which time the other ship could have overheated MWD and come into scram range.

Your case is a bit of an unfortunate one, as you've obviously mastered using the old tactical overlay. We are certainly considering this feedback, but for now please try using the new overlay in PVP. Perhaps you will appreciate it more once you have mastered its usage to a similar level.

Fly safe
CCP Turtlepower // Team Psycho Sisters

Stuff...

Please look at this seriously, give me a real reason why it can't be done or why it shouldn't be done or I'm out. I have other hobbies that I can invest -ú20/month in.

They did give a reason. More people like the functionality of the new lines. Keeping old lines and new lines would be a mess. Keeping both available as options means having to do QA on two systems which is time and money. If these aren't good enough, can I have your stuff before you go do other hobbies?

Also, its hella easy to decloak now if you're good. Hold Q, wait for the dot to show up, click it and and follow the curve to get the angle. Can do it before stuff falls off the overview from cloaking

You have made very minor improvements to a terribly outdated feature so don't bring out the champaign just yet.

The tactical overlay should be used when you need to get a wide view of the battle field but still enable you to have precise control of your ship. It fails at that!

At the very least, i want an icon added to clearly indicate the vector of my ship and I want the picture-in-picture camera for selected objects that was mentioned so many years ago at fanfest.

Also, why have you removed the vertical line that connects another object to your own ships plane? You should have improved this feature by making the "elevation line" of objects above you blue and below you, red.

... I can't for the life of me think why you decided to remove the sphere of a modules influence and replaced it with a flat 2D circle

Over all rating: 5/10 - colours and space north are nice but other things are missing/worse

All the devs involved in the tactical overlay's development have met and discussed how to move forward; here are the results:

Cyno Range Spheres - Since this is by far the most requested feature, we will add this as soon as possible. Hopefully we can get it into the next release.
It's hard to see what is in and what is outside your range - There is actually a subtle transparency difference between items and lines outside your range and inside it, but this is probably a bit too subtle since many of you did not notice it (lines are more transparent outside your range). We are looking into possible solutions to make this more obvious.
We would like to point out that there is another way to see what is in your range; if you hover over a module that has a range (like a gun) it will place little targeting bracket arrows around all brackets inside your range.
Color blindness issues - we have scheduled a deeper investigation into this and hope to implement some changes in the future to improve this.
Vertical lines - we decided not to add this back to the overlay, at least not yet. Most of the feedback we have received is that the new curved lines are simply better, particularly in large scale fights. We will continue monitoring feedback of course and could very well revisit it later down the line.

Cyno Range Spheres - Since this is by far the most requested feature, we will add this as soon as possible. Hopefully we can get it into the next release.

It's hard to see what is in and what is outside your range - There is actually a subtle transparency difference between items and lines outside your range and inside it, but this is probably a bit too subtle since many of you did not notice it (lines are more transparent outside your range). We are looking into possible solutions to make this more obvious.

Vertical lines - we decided not to add this back to the overlay, at least not yet. Most of the feedback we have received is that the new curved lines are simply better, particularly in large scale fights. We will continue monitoring feedback of course and could very well revisit it later down the line.

Your case is a bit of an unfortunate one, as you've obviously mastered using the old tactical overlay. We are certainly considering this feedback, but for now please try using the new overlay in PVP. Perhaps you will appreciate it more once you have mastered its usage to a similar level.

Fly safe
CCP Turtlepower // Team Psycho Sisters