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Soulles Caldari Fatal Union	Posted - 2007.02.12 00:51:00 - [1] Something that is really disturbing me is how people get removed from the game and some don't for doing the same crime. How can there be 2 different set of rules for people depending on who they are affiliated with. I was really enjoying your game and almost had my entire guild from wow ready to move over to EvE which included 150+ people. But after some recent events that has plagued the EvE community and now spreading across all the game magazines and web sites. How can we as your player base know that things are going to be handled correctly and justice served on a equal playing field. I have seen to many threads locked with people trying to get some answers. Maybe because they are pointing fingers and names. Here is a post that you have the opportunity to discuss this with your player base. If you so wish to lock this thread then so be it. But it only confirms that you do not wish to have a even playing field and have 2 different set of rules.
Haxa Confederation of Red Miners Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.02.12 01:02:00 - [2] Edited by: Haxa on 12/02/2007 00:58:39 It was one bad apple, the whole bunch isnt spoiled, and from reading the Dev post and such, its been handled
Cadela Fria Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.12 01:03:00 - [3] Locking, ignoring or deleting this post doesnt confirm anything. Your idle threats about "I WOULD have brought over a 150 people, but now I wont humph!" is the oldest, most saddest cheap trick in history. Besides even if you do have over a 150 people and none of them will play unless you tell them to, then honestly, keep your mindless drones to yourself, because EVE requires independant thought. - New sig in the workings -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right - ....steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr >_>
Fuujin Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2007.02.12 01:03:00 - [4] Originally by: Haxa Edited by: Haxa on 12/02/2007 00:58:39 It was one bad apple, the whole bunch isnt spoiled, and from reading the Dev post and such, its been handled Yes, handled exceptionally with blinding fairness and justice..
Haxa Confederation of Red Miners Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.02.12 01:04:00 - [5] Originally by: Fuujin Originally by: Haxa Edited by: Haxa on 12/02/2007 00:58:39 It was one bad apple, the whole bunch isnt spoiled, and from reading the Dev post and such, its been handled Yes, handled exceptionally with blinding fairness and justice.. What do u expect CCP to do? Ban every person that works for them from playing the game?
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.02.12 01:07:00 - [6] IBTL ?!? With the talk about double standards, if you're refering to the T20 side of the scandal, that answer has ben already clearly given. It might not satisfy you, but that's something MONTHS old, bygones. As for the future, harsher prevention methods are supposedly in place, and punishments after the recent scandals will NOT be so mild, if any of the people would still be stupid enough to do it. If you ask how do you know that the player base will be treated fairly, well let's just say that unless you are in the upper echelons of major alliances, even if by chance all the tinfoilhattery flying around would indeed be true (which is highly unlikely and downright stupid to assume), you still would have next to zero practical chances of ever encountering a situation where you or your guild members personally would be adversely affected. ESPECIALLY after this scandal. If anything, the scandal should REINFORCE your view of the degree of fairness applied to all people. And last but not least, what game is truly free of any allegations of powermongering ? I can recall a certain "WoW GM Gabriel" storyline... now THAT is what I call abuse of power, for the SAKE of abuse of power. In closing, I'd just like to say that "pot, kettle, black" might be the best answer I can give. _ MySkills \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.02.12 01:10:00 - [7] Originally by: Soulles Something that is really disturbing me is how people get removed from the game and some don't for doing the same crime. How can there be 2 different set of rules for people depending on who they are affiliated with. I was really enjoying your game and almost had my entire guild from wow ready to move over to EvE which included 150+ people. But after some recent events that has plagued the EvE community and now spreading across all the game magazines and web sites. How can we as your player base know that things are going to be handled correctly and justice served on a equal playing field. I have seen to many threads locked with people trying to get some answers. Maybe because they are pointing fingers and names. Here is a post that you have the opportunity to discuss this with your player base. If you so wish to lock this thread then so be it. But it only confirms that you do not wish to have a even playing field and have 2 different set of rules. I wonder, how the bloody hell could you have missed a thread with 93 pages and this page with Dev comments?? Or do you stand above the forum rules? If everyone did like you do, this forum would drown in trash! Also, its not that your question have not be asked - or answered earlier! I imagine your question have been asked like 2000 times in the thread on 93 pages... So, if you want to ask questions go the the threads I have mentioned!! Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.02.12 01:27:00 - [8] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker I wonder, how the bloody hell could you have missed a thread with 93 pages and this page with Dev comments?? Because it's not in the general discussion section? If it was here, I bet it could have over 300 pages by now, instead of 93. A lot of people miss it because is not here. IMO.
Soulles Caldari Fatal Union	Posted - 2007.02.12 01:28:00 - [9] Originally by: Cadela Fria Locking, ignoring or deleting this post doesnt confirm anything. Your idle threats about "I WOULD have brought over a 150 people, but now I wont humph!" is the oldest, most saddest cheap trick in history. Besides even if you do have over a 150 people and none of them will play unless you tell them to, then honestly, keep your mindless drones to yourself, because EVE requires independant thought. So you know the guild I run and people I play with? I did not ask the player base for an answer now did I. And I have run some very large guilds on 3 major mmo games with upwards of 500 people relying on me to get answers and sort out problems. I have allot respect from many people and the reason I am posting in the first place is to get some answers for the people that trust me as being their Leader for the last 6 years. And as far as reading those other threads they answer nothing and only have people throwing dirt. We have people getting banned and then we have others doing the same crime and not being punished in the same manner. How can we as your player base get answers.
CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.02.12 01:29:00 - [10] Quote: I have seen to many threads locked with people trying to get some answers and no doubt this one will be locked aswell but sinse i got the chance ill give my thoughts on it 1. constant locks and censorship on the forums are making things worse, the "official" thread is little more than a way to stiffle peoples views under so many posts amazingly people can speak on other forums and every lock makes CCP look guilty of "sweeping it under the rug" as some people put it 2. how can eve ever recover from this ? i mean the whole game revolves around player driven content and how we shape the galaxy etc etc and now we find that allegedly there has been favouritism and cheating it seems to me that CCP only has 2 ways to fix this now, 1 being a galaxy reset (and i dont seriously expect that) and the other is to just ignore the outrage and lock everything - even the smallest amout of corruption like this taints everything like ink in water a most unfortunate state of affairs 3. the explanations given by kerion/whoever in other parts of this forum are a bit of a joke and there certainly appears to be some serious double standards going on CCP have given their answers and personally i find them completely inadiquate but i also know that most likely CCP couldnt care less what i think Recruiting devs and/or gms out of the kiddies that play their game was a bad idea in the first place tbh and it didnt take a psychic to see something like this comming i just dont know what to think really, this whole episode has left me feeling like i wasted my time playing eve however if my agent drops me a T2 bpo ill probably feel better
Haxa Confederation of Red Miners Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.02.12 01:34:00 - [11] Originally by: CharlieMurphy Quote: I have seen to many threads locked with people trying to get some answers and no doubt this one will be locked aswell but sinse i got the chance ill give my thoughts on it 1. constant locks and censorship on the forums are making things worse, the "official" thread is little more than a way to stiffle peoples views under so many posts amazingly people can speak on other forums and every lock makes CCP look guilty of "sweeping it under the rug" as some people put it 2. how can eve ever recover from this ? i mean the whole game revolves around player driven content and how we shape the galaxy etc etc and now we find that allegedly there has been favouritism and cheating it seems to me that CCP only has 2 ways to fix this now, 1 being a galaxy reset (and i dont seriously expect that) and the other is to just ignore the outrage and lock everything - even the smallest amout of corruption like this taints everything like ink in water a most unfortunate state of affairs 3. the explanations given by kerion/whoever in other parts of this forum are a bit of a joke and there certainly appears to be some serious double standards going on CCP have given their answers and personally i find them completely inadiquate but i also know that most likely CCP couldnt care less what i think Recruiting devs and/or gms out of the kiddies that play their game was a bad idea in the first place tbh and it didnt take a psychic to see something like this comming i just dont know what to think really, this whole episode has left me feeling like i wasted my time playing eve however if my agent drops me a T2 bpo ill probably feel better The thing is, its the trolls and flamers that are ruining it for the serious players that want answers, its easier for CCP to lock all the threads rather than sort through them saying Flame or Serious.
Kramerite Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.02.12 01:36:00 - [12] Originally by: Haxa Originally by: Fuujin Originally by: Haxa Edited by: Haxa on 12/02/2007 00:58:39 It was one bad apple, the whole bunch isnt spoiled, and from reading the Dev post and such, its been handled Yes, handled exceptionally with blinding fairness and justice.. What do u expect CCP to do? Ban every person that works for them from playing the game? No, how about they just the sack the ones that break their own guidelines for acceptable behaviour as an employee of CCP.
Jifai	Posted - 2007.02.12 02:09:00 - [13] Originally by: Soulles Something that is really disturbing me is how people get removed from the game and some don't for doing the same crime. SirMolle hacked CCP's hosts? When did he commit that crime?
Maj Woodcock Minmatar United Space Aillance USA	Posted - 2007.02.12 02:24:00 - [14] SirMolle was said to of posted Kungmans(?) RL info. I never saw the post so I don't know for sure but if ture Sir Molle didn't get banned. I can't belive T20 stole 6 loosley T2 Ammo BPOs. I bet there were several T2 ships involed, or at leaset more CCP isn't telling us. PROMISES MADE > PROMISES KEPT
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.12 02:27:00 - [15] Originally by: Maj Woodcock I can't belive T20 stole 6 loosley T2 Ammo BPOs. I bet there were several T2 ships involed, or at leaset more CCP isn't telling us. 5 crappy ammo BPOs and a Sabre. It sounds like he created the ammo BPOs to make his supposed lottery winnings look more realistic. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Maj Woodcock Minmatar United Space Aillance USA	Posted - 2007.02.12 02:33:00 - [16] thanks DS, missed that. PROMISES MADE > PROMISES KEPT
Neesa Corrinne Black Watch Legionnaires Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.12 02:34:00 - [17] Quote: What do u expect CCP to do? Ban every person that works for them from playing the game? YES The people who run the lottery in my state aren't allowed to play it. Why? Because an employee has the ability to rig it in their favor. Same rule should apply to Dev's. If you have unrestricted access to all game components, then you should not be allowed to play since the temptation could be... I mean WAS too high to resist.
Bellon Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:04:00 - [18] Originally by: Neesa Corrinne Quote: What do u expect CCP to do? Ban every person that works for them from playing the game? YES The people who run the lottery in my state aren't allowed to play it. Why? Because an employee has the ability to rig it in their favor. Same rule should apply to Dev's. If you have unrestricted access to all game components, then you should not be allowed to play since the temptation could be... I mean WAS too high to resist. The game would be terrible if this was true. The simple question is: do you want gameplay like Kugutsumens (hacking and blackmail) to become the norm in eve? If yes, then unban him, if no, then let the ban stand
Neesa Corrinne Black Watch Legionnaires Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:13:00 - [19] I don't think you understood what I was saying at all. I think they should ban him and ALL of the devs from playing the game because of the fact that they have total control over it. Power leads to corruption and if one dev was caught abusing the power he had, then it's quite possible that others just haven't been caught yet. As if we'd ever know. They know better than to leak another dev mishap after the poostorm this caused.
Thales Archon Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:21:00 - [20] Can we as a playerbase stfu about it already. Get over it.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:34:00 - [21] Originally by: Thales Archon Can we as a playerbase stfu about it already. Get over it. Yes. Can we please? I'm also the playerbase, Thales is also the playerbase, the OP isn't "the playerbase" anymore than we are, and this post is pointless in the extreme. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - -
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:59:00 - [22] Originally by: Thales Archon Can we as a playerbase stfu about it already. Get over it. We will get over it when something is done about it in a satisfactory way AND measures are put in place to prevent this from happening again.
Eskalin Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.12 04:49:00 - [23] Edited by: Eskalin on 12/02/2007 04:48:29 nm r-tards 4tl
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.02.12 04:57:00 - [24] CCP discovered the wrong doing 6+ months ago, but only removed the illegally obtained BPOs once "he" revealed the information to the world. Explain to me again how that seems fair or well handled? --- Thoughts on "recent events"
fruit cakes	Posted - 2007.02.12 05:22:00 - [25] Edited by: fruit cakes on 12/02/2007 05:23:06 LoL its funny to see, the ones that have benefited from the said recent allegations are all saying things like 'get over it already' and 'wheres youre tin foil hat' and silly immature comments like that. IT IS extremly annoying to ask a question about a specific matter and have it deleted nearly immediatly, or have you're account banned because you know who a certain player is (and im not talking about kungutsmen or w/e his name is) it happens way too often for people to not notice and tbh its raising a LOT of suspicion and rather sorting the matter out with just answering some questions its being ignored or being hidden, it can only work for a short period, there has been an aweful lot immaturity from both sides of the fence (not in this topic apart from a select few) which until people can learn to sort it out and act in a mature manner, will get 10 times worse. I'm not saying who is right and who is wrong but mearly pointing out the fact that if you try and hide something no matter what it is, it gets people intrigued and they want to know exactly what it is you are hiding, the truth always comes out in the end the more effort you put into hiding it makes them look as bad if not worse than the offender. I think im speaking for the majority of the community (the ones not envolved in the circle of recent allegations) to say that we feel it hasnt been sorted out properly its all been a bit gun-ho especially when key threads are deleted instantaniuosly (it wont be long before this one is deleted or locked) which makes us think its all one sided it really isnt looking good outside this community and thats something i dont want to see as we are all very passionate about this game (yes devs and gm's included recent acts just proves how much they love the game also, even though it wasnt the right thing to do), I just wish you would listen to both sides and all doubts because at the end of the day we are only looking for re assurance that our money into the game isnt a waste of time it is the best space MMO out right now so i dont want to see it fall down and into the gutter especially with all the work the devs and gm's have put into it over the years and for it to fall foul over something like this breaks my little heart I wont go on any more as im probably boring you now but thats how most of us feel behind all the flaming and hatred so pls take note of some of the things i have said peace Mr fruit cakes
Celestal	Posted - 2007.02.12 05:39:00 - [26] Originally by: Mortania CCP discovered the wrong doing 6+ months ago, but only removed the illegally obtained BPOs once "he" revealed the information to the world. Explain to me again how that seems fair or well handled?
Celestal	Posted - 2007.02.12 05:40:00 - [27] Originally by: Mortania CCP discovered the wrong doing 6+ months ago, but only removed the illegally obtained BPOs once "he" revealed the information to the world. Explain to me again how that seems fair or well handled? this is the problem I have , ccp claim they handled this problen in 2006 but the dev is only now handing the bpos back 8 months after ccp acknowledged that the `corruption` occurred . 2 questions 1) how long did the dev have the bpos before ccp acknoweledged there was a problem ? 2) why the fck did ccp let the dev carry on playing and using the bpo`s for 8 months after they knew about this??? ( only letting the dev kindly return them thru his choice ) so if kugustan ( spelling ) had not blown the whistle t20 ( or t21 t22 t2000 whatever the fck he calls himself ) would still be known as a CHEAT ( caps as there is no other real descrip[tion ) to ccp but still be allo9wed to abuse his spawned t II bpo`s . so why was kugu****** banned ? why is t22 not banned ? why is sir ( pretentious title ) molle not banned for disclosing a real life name ? ( please tell me I can utilise the same out of game methods to post real life names/addresses ( its dead easy )) none of my chars alts have ever fought with/against BLOB , I honestly believe that the vast majority of BLOB are regular players who do not cheat , but are simply good players . we need to return eve to a regular guy/gal game , not the counterstrike mentality
Zmoke	Posted - 2007.02.13 08:09:00 - [28] Originally by: Haxa Edited by: Haxa on 12/02/2007 00:58:39 It was one bad apple, the whole bunch isnt spoiled, and from reading the Dev post and such, its been handled The way they handled it seems lacking. "We investigated ourselves and found that with a tiny exception, everything is ok. The offender still works here, and the BPO's he spawned are out of the game (6 months later). Don't ask any more questions or talk about it anymore. "Four legs good, two legs bad".
Cadela Fria Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.13 08:15:00 - [29] Originally by: Zmoke Originally by: Haxa Edited by: Haxa on 12/02/2007 00:58:39 It was one bad apple, the whole bunch isnt spoiled, and from reading the Dev post and such, its been handled The way they handled it seems lacking. "We investigated ourselves and found that with a tiny exception, everything is ok. The offender still works here, and the BPO's he spawned are out of the game (6 months later). Don't ask any more questions or talk about it anymore. "Four legs good, two legs bad". Thanks for reviving this otherwise dead thread with another pointless comment... Can we please, please, PLEASE just move on...this is getting old and retarded -_- - New sig in the workings -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right - ....steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr >_>
Crypt Gallente Vogon Deconstruction Fleet Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 08:19:00 - [30] If you guys are starving for news here is some for you.... "and this just in, during the downtown blizzard a crazy motorcyclist jumped 14 police cars, two national guard tanks and a coast guard helicopter on his way to the local liquor store early this morning. Nobody was injured and the motorcyclist is recovering nicely from his hangover...when asked about his daring move the cyclist replied "they wuz in my way and I wuz almighty thirsty!", no charges have be filed...more on this story at 11pm!" Quote: It is a poor sort of man who is content to be spoon-fed knowledge that has been filtered through the canon of religious or political belief

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