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Roberta Nazharu
Allied Forces Against BOB
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Posted - 2007.02.12 06:44:00 -
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The Allied Forces Against BOB (AFAB) announced today that it has received reports that more than 150 active pilots have left BOB in reaction to the revelation that what appeared to be its apparent superiority over its opponents was due in large part to long standing corruption within CCP, the Intergalactic government which controls the distibution of T2 BPO's through its agents throughout EVE.
According to confidential sources within BOB, dissention is growing within the rank and file and executive levels of many of its member corporations as fair minded pilots come to grips with the fact that their victories were achieved not through skillful play but rather through the unfair military and economic advantage gained as officials within CCP diverted T2 BPO's out of the random lottery and into the hands of comrades within BOB. According to one former BOB pilot who requested to remain nameless, "I put up with the tyranical attitude of the BOB commanders because I enjoyed winning but I can't stand cheaters. I would rather fight an lose fairly than cheat and win."
The exodus of active pilots from BOB along with the anger shared by the rest of the EVE community has sparked the intergalactic community's interest in joining in the elimination of BOB from the universe. Unwilling to wait for CCP to complete its internal investigation, alliances throughout EVE have decided to take matters into their own hands. As a result, military actions against BOB and its allies has increased and significant progress is being reported on multiple fronts. According to Roberta Nazharu, CEO of AFAB, "given how long it takes for CCP to respond to simple petitions, it's unrealistic to expect that they will get to the bottom of this corruption anytime before the turn of the next century. The only solution is to eliminate BOB from the EVE map and allow the natural redistribution of wealth to occur."
AFAB also has reported that it has been contacted by a number of pilots within BOB who have chosen to switch sides without switching corporations. The added intel AFAB will be receiving will be discretely forwarded to the appropriate military planners. AFAB continues to solicit the participation of other fair minded BOB members with the absolute assurance of confidentiality.
AFAB will continue to publish relevant reports as the destruction of BOB progresses.
The Destruction of BOB has begun! |
R0ot
InNova Tech Inc
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 06:47:00 -
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Im sorry where do you find these numbers? Your ass? 
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Tiuwaz
Minmatar
The Nest
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.12 06:51:00 -
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while magz and gusta might count for 150 bob pilots they were kicked because they arent really fond of the colour blue and had seemingly rather aggresive reactions to said colour  
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Exelsior
Colossus Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.02.12 06:55:00 -
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Edited by: Exelsior on 12/02/2007 06:51:46
Colossus Enterprises have received very reliable reports that the OP's reports were falsified in an attempt to mis-inform the Eve community and start the war in Ir...i mean...
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2007.02.12 06:57:00 -
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reading those facts, more than 3 gazillions players said "oh noez"
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:06:00 -
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O RLY?
Intresting .. oh well back to AO 
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Divine Misconception
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:08:00 -
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Edited by: Divine Misconception on 12/02/2007 07:05:22
You are the very essence of knee-jerk stupidity. I would give you a badge, but I fear you'd hurt your self.
p.s Did anyone actually read that huge block of ****?
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DiuxDium
Casting Shadows
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:10:00 -
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Sup anny
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PvP in EvE is not consentual.
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Liquid Vision
Caldari
Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:16:00 -
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Nevermind that they SHOULD be quiting that alliance in droves. . .or else overthrowing the management that made goats out of them all and was using them. I guess it's a lot easier to deny everything, play the victim, and slap [DEV] on your tags.
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Nooey
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:26:00 -
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Edited by: Nooey on 12/02/2007 07:30:30
 Originally by: Roberta Nazharu
...fair minded pilots come to grips with the fact that their victories were achieved not through skillful play but rather through the unfair military and economic advantage gained as officials within CCP diverted T2 BPO's out of the random lottery and into the hands of comrades within BOB...
What complete and utter BS you spew Mr Alt. Get a grip. This is getting absurd.
Oh and IBTL, probably.
Someone else already said it better but it's worth repeating.
You are the very essence of kneejerk stupidity.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:44:00 -
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Until I hear from BoB members themselves that they leave BoB because they believe that their success was based on 'cheated' BPOs from a dev or insider information, I just assume your post is stupid propaganda from a witch-hunter nub.
If your alliance doesn't grow with former BoB members and all is a lie, you deserve to get war'decced and hunted down !
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Horatio Nately
Caldari
Finis Lumen
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:51:00 -
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remeber: everything posted on the net is true...
/obvious
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My Usual Feedback:
Pro BoB post = omg you suck up stfu.
Anti BoB Post = omg add more tinfoil.
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Liza Catapolus
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: Liquid Vision
Nevermind that they SHOULD be quiting that alliance in droves. . .or else overthrowing the management that made goats out of them all and was using them. I guess it's a lot easier to deny everything, play the victim, and slap [DEV] on your tags.
The easiest thing to do is realize that the list of blueprints he jacked was complete weak sauce. Cmon the best bpo's were Sabre and Spike L, every competent alliance in the game has comparable bpo's and you all have to be denser than a black hole to think t2o;s bpo list allowed bob to win anything.
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Liquid Vision
Caldari
Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: Liza Catapolus
Originally by: Liquid Vision
Nevermind that they SHOULD be quiting that alliance in droves. . .or else overthrowing the management that made goats out of them all and was using them. I guess it's a lot easier to deny everything, play the victim, and slap [DEV] on your tags.
The easiest thing to do is realize that the list of blueprints he jacked was complete weak sauce. Cmon the best bpo's were Sabre and Spike L, every competent alliance in the game has comparable bpo's and you all have to be denser than a black hole to think t2o;s bpo list allowed bob to win anything.
And you'd have to be denser than a black hole to think that those "weak sauce" BPOs were the only advantages he was giving them. You'd also have to be denser than a black hole to think that T20 was the ONLY dev in BOB.
Also. . .according to kugut's logs those weren't the ONLY BPOs he handed out. It looks like CCP made T20 cop to those 6 because they WERE "weak sauce." The logs had him handing over about 10 BPOs. . .one of which happened to be the Malediction BPO. 
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Liza Catapolus
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Liquid Vision
Originally by: Liza Catapolus
Originally by: Liquid Vision
Nevermind that they SHOULD be quiting that alliance in droves. . .or else overthrowing the management that made goats out of them all and was using them. I guess it's a lot easier to deny everything, play the victim, and slap [DEV] on your tags.
The easiest thing to do is realize that the list of blueprints he jacked was complete weak sauce. Cmon the best bpo's were Sabre and Spike L, every competent alliance in the game has comparable bpo's and you all have to be denser than a black hole to think t2o;s bpo list allowed bob to win anything.
And you'd have to be denser than a black hole to think that those "weak sauce" BPOs were the only advantages he was giving them. You'd also have to be denser than a black hole to think that T20 was the ONLY dev in BOB.
Also. . .according to kugut's logs those weren't the ONLY BPOs he handed out. It looks like CCP made T20 cop to those 6 because they WERE "weak sauce." The logs had him handing over about 10 BPOs. . .one of which happened to be the Malediction BPO.
So then quit *****ing about bob, and ***** at CCP for lieing in their official announcement of what happened. Speculating on what t20 really had is like speculating on the stockmarket. Sometimes your right, and sometimes your not.
if you dont like CCP's responce to the situation end your subs, because the problem you are describing is not with BOB but in CCP being unwilling to admit what is happening in their offices.
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TZeer
BURN EDEN
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:13:00 -
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What I find funny here is that BOB pets/fanbois and stuff keep grinding on thoose few BPO like that was all that happend....
There are proof of major inside use of account sharing in BOB, and with alot of devs in the alliance you should atleast expect them to uphold the EULA.
Molle post RL info on forums, nothing happens.
Kugustsumen do the same, gets banned for it.
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We do not have any proof showing the members of Reikoku (other than t20) had any knowledge that these BPs were illegally gained. We cannot punish players for innocently using items they thought were legal.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
And only yesterday a guy came on the forums and told CCP set him back to -2.5 bil because he had been selling stuff to a farmer network, stuff like POS equipment, fuel and so on. UNKNOWINGLY!!!
CCP knew about this 6 months ago... nothing, NOTHING happend until this was spammed on the forums. First then did CCP bother to take away the BPO`s.
Only stuff that have been done somthing with, is the stuff that we know and the stuff that we as a community posts about.
Multiple of the BOB leadership knew about the CCP people. Yes I say people cause there are more CCP peeps there. i have no problem with that.
What I do have a problem with is that they know about accountsharing and dont bother upholding their own EULA.
What I see here is pure damagecontrol. In all cases like this there`s always more.
What else happening in BOB we might never know. But i know for sure that what we have been told up until now is far from everything...
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mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:14:00 -
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PRESS RELEASE: dozens of players quitting over eve "Jumpgate" scandal clamor to give me their stuff. mazzilliu is last reported to be seen not being able to accept the free item exchange contracts fast enough.
GIVE ME BACK MY EXCLAMATION MARK PORTRAIT :( :( :( :( :( :( |
Minikrimi Extreme
Zephyr Manufacturing Group
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:19:00 -
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Edited by: Minikrimi Extreme on 12/02/2007 08:16:49
The anger of this community member is directed to those who believe that because one piece of information was accurate, the rest should be accepted as equally valid. How a source is obtained is as important as what it says.
Frankly, I consider this type of response to be metagaming in a major way. Yes, my alliance is at war, and before I saw the firestorm on the forums I was elated to hear we were fighting BoB. Now, I will know that the outcome of that war isn't based on anything but a general dogpiling on a group that is taking the blame for the actions of a few, regardless of my own alliance's justified interests in the conflict.
And yes, I believe that it is unethical and immoral to judge a group based on the actions of a couple of its members. It's mob justice, gank those who aren't like us. It panders to the worst in people in general. If it were to happen to me, I'd petition for harrasment and persecution. Yeah, it happens in every community from time to time, as a social scientist I understand that perfectly well. But that does not excuse it nor justify it. There are far too many rl conflicts currently and in the past for me to like seeing these rl mob mentality feelings brought into Eve-O. I know (and as an American, believe me I know) how polarized and powder-keggy people seem to be these days. I also know that my words are going to fall on mostly deaf ears, but maybe someone out there will read this and understand what this sort of expression does to a community.
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:20:00 -
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Gusta, i told you you wouldn't last in BoB. Back to the joys of being a pirate huh?
Foo is always right. [8)
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Liquid Vision
Caldari
Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Liza Catapolus
Originally by: Liquid Vision
Originally by: Liza Catapolus
Originally by: Liquid Vision
Nevermind that they SHOULD be quiting that alliance in droves. . .or else overthrowing the management that made goats out of them all and was using them. I guess it's a lot easier to deny everything, play the victim, and slap [DEV] on your tags.
The easiest thing to do is realize that the list of blueprints he jacked was complete weak sauce. Cmon the best bpo's were Sabre and Spike L, every competent alliance in the game has comparable bpo's and you all have to be denser than a black hole to think t2o;s bpo list allowed bob to win anything.
And you'd have to be denser than a black hole to think that those "weak sauce" BPOs were the only advantages he was giving them. You'd also have to be denser than a black hole to think that T20 was the ONLY dev in BOB.
Also. . .according to kugut's logs those weren't the ONLY BPOs he handed out. It looks like CCP made T20 cop to those 6 because they WERE "weak sauce." The logs had him handing over about 10 BPOs. . .one of which happened to be the Malediction BPO.
So then quit *****ing about bob, and ***** at CCP for lieing in their official announcement of what happened. Speculating on what t20 really had is like speculating on the stockmarket. Sometimes your right, and sometimes your not.
if you dont like CCP's responce to the situation end your subs, because the problem you are describing is not with BOB but in CCP being unwilling to admit what is happening in their offices.
Nah, I won't end my subs. . .but I will petition a forum mod to start cutting all your lame posts because you're a spineless alt (BOB) that doesn't have a corp/alliance ticker. Jesus, you people can't follow ANY rules, can ya?
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chrisreeves
Gallente
Asgard Protectorate
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: Roberta Nazharu
According to confidential sources within BOB, dissention is growing within the rank and file and executive levels......
AFAB will continue to publish relevant reports as the destruction of BOB progresses.
Listen to this man, he speaks the truth.
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Liquid Vision
Caldari
Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: Minikrimi Extreme
Edited by: Minikrimi Extreme on 12/02/2007 08:16:49
The anger of this community member is directed to those who believe that because one piece of information was accurate, the rest should be accepted as equally valid. How a source is obtained is as important as what it says.
Frankly, I consider this type of response to be metagaming in a major way. Yes, my alliance is at war, and before I saw the firestorm on the forums I was elated to hear we were fighting BoB. Now, I will know that the outcome of that war isn't based on anything but a general dogpiling on a group that is taking the blame for the actions of a few, regardless of my own alliance's justified interests in the conflict.
And yes, I believe that it is unethical and immoral to judge a group based on the actions of a couple of its members. It's mob justice, gank those who aren't like us. It panders to the worst in people in general. If it were to happen to me, I'd petition for harrasment and persecution. Yeah, it happens in every community from time to time, as a social scientist I understand that perfectly well. But that does not excuse it nor justify it. There are far too many rl conflicts currently and in the past for me to like seeing these rl mob mentality feelings brought into Eve-O. I know (and as an American, believe me I know) how polarized and powder-keggy people seem to be these days. I also know that my words are going to fall on mostly deaf ears, but maybe someone out there will read this and understand what this sort of expression does to a community.
Ok. . .so by your reasoning ****** and his top cronies were the only ones to blame for the Holocaust then, right? All the Germans that didn't do a damn thing to stop it shouldn't be blamed a bit, right. . .because they had NO idea all those jews were being turned into potting soil.
BOB members could leave that alliance, kick out their leadership, or heck. . .even just apologize and move on. Instead all they've done is take their alts (yes, we know who their alts are) and blame all of us and tell us to "get over it or quit."
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Sun Ra
Godspeed You Black Emperor
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Liquid Vision
Originally by: Liza Catapolus
Originally by: Liquid Vision
Nevermind that they SHOULD be quiting that alliance in droves. . .or else overthrowing the management that made goats out of them all and was using them. I guess it's a lot easier to deny everything, play the victim, and slap [DEV] on your tags.
The easiest thing to do is realize that the list of blueprints he jacked was complete weak sauce. Cmon the best bpo's were Sabre and Spike L, every competent alliance in the game has comparable bpo's and you all have to be denser than a black hole to think t2o;s bpo list allowed bob to win anything.
And you'd have to be denser than a black hole to think that those "weak sauce" BPOs were the only advantages he was giving them. You'd also have to be denser than a black hole to think that T20 was the ONLY dev in BOB.
Also. . .according to kugut's logs those weren't the ONLY BPOs he handed out. It looks like CCP made T20 cop to those 6 because they WERE "weak sauce." The logs had him handing over about 10 BPOs. . .one of which happened to be the Malediction BPO.
I must of missed that part, which part is it in hmm?
Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas' |
Bookmarking Wench
The Bookmark Shop
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Roberta Nazharu
The Allied Forces Against BOB (AFAB) announced today that it has received reports that more than 150 active pilots have left BOB in reaction to the revelation that what appeared to be its apparent superiority over its opponents was due in large part to long standing corruption within CCP, the Intergalactic government which controls the distibution of T2 BPO's through its agents throughout EVE.
According to confidential sources within BOB, dissention is growing within the rank and file and executive levels of many of its member corporations as fair minded pilots come to grips with the fact that their victories were achieved not through skillful play but rather through the unfair military and economic advantage gained as officials within CCP diverted T2 BPO's out of the random lottery and into the hands of comrades within BOB. According to one former BOB pilot who requested to remain nameless, "I put up with the tyranical attitude of the BOB commanders because I enjoyed winning but I can't stand cheaters. I would rather fight an lose fairly than cheat and win."
The exodus of active pilots from BOB along with the anger shared by the rest of the EVE community has sparked the intergalactic community's interest in joining in the elimination of BOB from the universe. Unwilling to wait for CCP to complete its internal investigation, alliances throughout EVE have decided to take matters into their own hands. As a result, military actions against BOB and its allies has increased and significant progress is being reported on multiple fronts. According to Roberta Nazharu, CEO of AFAB, "given how long it takes for CCP to respond to simple petitions, it's unrealistic to expect that they will get to the bottom of this corruption anytime before the turn of the next century. The only solution is to eliminate BOB from the EVE map and allow the natural redistribution of wealth to occur."
AFAB also has reported that it has been contacted by a number of pilots within BOB who have chosen to switch sides without switching corporations. The added intel AFAB will be receiving will be discretely forwarded to the appropriate military planners. AFAB continues to solicit the participation of other fair minded BOB members with the absolute assurance of confidentiality.
AFAB will continue to publish relevant reports as the destruction of BOB progresses.
I fixed the OP for you.
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Sinlare
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:31:00 -
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Edited by: Sinlare on 12/02/2007 08:28:58
Originally by: Liquid Vision
Originally by: Minikrimi Extreme
Edited by: Minikrimi Extreme on 12/02/2007 08:16:49
The anger of this community member is directed to those who believe that because one piece of information was accurate, the rest should be accepted as equally valid. How a source is obtained is as important as what it says.
Frankly, I consider this type of response to be metagaming in a major way. Yes, my alliance is at war, and before I saw the firestorm on the forums I was elated to hear we were fighting BoB. Now, I will know that the outcome of that war isn't based on anything but a general dogpiling on a group that is taking the blame for the actions of a few, regardless of my own alliance's justified interests in the conflict.
And yes, I believe that it is unethical and immoral to judge a group based on the actions of a couple of its members. It's mob justice, gank those who aren't like us. It panders to the worst in people in general. If it were to happen to me, I'd petition for harrasment and persecution. Yeah, it happens in every community from time to time, as a social scientist I understand that perfectly well. But that does not excuse it nor justify it. There are far too many rl conflicts currently and in the past for me to like seeing these rl mob mentality feelings brought into Eve-O. I know (and as an American, believe me I know) how polarized and powder-keggy people seem to be these days. I also know that my words are going to fall on mostly deaf ears, but maybe someone out there will read this and understand what this sort of expression does to a community.
Ok. . .so by your reasoning ****** and his top cronies were the only ones to blame for the Holocaust then, right? All the Germans that didn't do a damn thing to stop it shouldn't be blamed a bit, right. . .because they had NO idea all those jews were being turned into potting soil.
BOB members could leave that alliance, kick out their leadership, or heck. . .even just apologize and move on. Instead all they've done is take their alts (yes, we know who their alts are) and blame all of us and tell us to "get over it or quit."
See, this is how it always goes.
Goonswarm gets more right to post, some use alts, some their mains. They get to troll for a cause and take it too far. It's the same thing that always happens when GoonSwarm gets their grubby little hands on something and get too much freedom.
Goons are used to go in the direction where the majority of goons go and it makes it hard to stop or see what the reality is. They need a leader or they're lost, like a flock of sheep. |
babylonstew
Caldari
Caldari Scouting and Intel Group
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Divine Misconception
Edited by: Divine Misconception on 12/02/2007 07:05:22
p.s Did anyone actually read that huge block of ****?
nope tbfh i read first paprgraph then skipped to the funny replies
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
Don't think of it as being kicked out of the Federation; think of it as beating the rush
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:41:00 -
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I am not a BoB friend by any means, but BoB alliance gained around 50 to 100 people since the last update of the alliance page, wich was around 10.01.07 . You can just compare in game and out of game due to the fact that it is only updated every couple of month.
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Join channel "CONTRACT EXAN" in game if you wish to hire Exanimo Inc.
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Logan Feynman
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: Liquid Vision
Originally by: Minikrimi Extreme
Edited by: Minikrimi Extreme on 12/02/2007 08:16:49
The anger of this community member is directed to those who believe that because one piece of information was accurate, the rest should be accepted as equally valid. How a source is obtained is as important as what it says.
Frankly, I consider this type of response to be metagaming in a major way. Yes, my alliance is at war, and before I saw the firestorm on the forums I was elated to hear we were fighting BoB. Now, I will know that the outcome of that war isn't based on anything but a general dogpiling on a group that is taking the blame for the actions of a few, regardless of my own alliance's justified interests in the conflict.
And yes, I believe that it is unethical and immoral to judge a group based on the actions of a couple of its members. It's mob justice, gank those who aren't like us. It panders to the worst in people in general. If it were to happen to me, I'd petition for harrasment and persecution. Yeah, it happens in every community from time to time, as a social scientist I understand that perfectly well. But that does not excuse it nor justify it. There are far too many rl conflicts currently and in the past for me to like seeing these rl mob mentality feelings brought into Eve-O. I know (and as an American, believe me I know) how polarized and powder-keggy people seem to be these days. I also know that my words are going to fall on mostly deaf ears, but maybe someone out there will read this and understand what this sort of expression does to a community.
Ok. . .so by your reasoning ****** and his top cronies were the only ones to blame for the Holocaust then, right? All the Germans that didn't do a damn thing to stop it shouldn't be blamed a bit, right. . .because they had NO idea all those jews were being turned into potting soil.
BOB members could leave that alliance, kick out their leadership, or heck. . .even just apologize and move on. Instead all they've done is take their alts (yes, we know who their alts are) and blame all of us and tell us to "get over it or quit."
You are an amazing person. I am impressed.
Am I a BoB alt?
IBTL
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pershphanie
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Roberta Nazharu
The Allied Forces Against BOB (AFAB) announced today that it has received reports that more than 150 active pilots have left BOB in reaction to the revelation that what appeared to be its apparent superiority over its opponents was due in large part to long standing corruption within CCP, the Intergalactic government which controls the distibution of T2 BPO's through its agents throughout EVE.
Then how come BoB is only @ -11 pilots since last week? |
Minikrimi Extreme
Zephyr Manufacturing Group
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Liquid Vision
Ok. . .so by your reasoning ****** and his top cronies were the only ones to blame for the Holocaust then, right? All the Germans that didn't do a damn thing to stop it shouldn't be blamed a bit, right. . .because they had NO idea all those jews were being turned into potting soil.
BOB members could leave that alliance, kick out their leadership, or heck. . .even just apologize and move on. Instead all they've done is take their alts (yes, we know who their alts are) and blame all of us and tell us to "get over it or quit."
Yeah, I agree with your second paragraph. Of course, many probably feel backed into a corner and unable to respond in any way but with hostility because of the community response to something way outside the control of the average BoB member.
However, I have to take exception to your comparison. There is no way to compare active participation in a deadly persecution of one group after another (don't forget ***s and gypsies in you reckoning) and unknowingly associating with a dev that is cheating in ways not noticable to most members.
I understand the anger and hurt many are feeling, but please don't compare this to genocide.
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