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Tian Toralen KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 43	Posted - 2016.03.24 21:10:37 - [1] - Quote Allow triple character training on the same account for the subscription fee. Not being able to play another character if I don't pay another subcription fee, feels like a scam. 15 Euro should be enough for three characters. If you want EvE to thrive that is. First time I tried to start a second character, and saw I need to pay again - it felt like a scam. Somehow - the game attracted me enough to ignore that. There are too many mechanics in this game that feels like they are there just to make players pay more. This is the main one.
Anhenka Infinite Point Violence of Action. 1589	Posted - 2016.03.24 21:11:17 - [2] - Quote Abloo hoo hoo.
Tian Toralen KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 43	Posted - 2016.03.24 21:14:01 - [3] - Quote Go away, this is what I want, this is what I ask. I am not paying 30 euro, so I can play with two characters - one at a time in fact...
Danika Princip GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4317	Posted - 2016.03.24 21:23:44 - [4] - Quote Why do you feel you should get the benefit of three accounts while only paying for one?
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 3159	Posted - 2016.03.24 21:35:47 - [5] - Quote You can play other chars. They just cant train. At the end of the day the price is what it is, whether you pay in isk or RL currency. You either think its worth it or you dont. And obviously many people think its worth it. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Lucy Callagan V0LTA WE FORM V0LTA 146	Posted - 2016.03.24 23:45:41 - [6] - Quote no poor allowed Frugu.net
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 3105	Posted - 2016.03.25 00:08:51 - [7] - Quote You can train 3 on one account already. It just requires paying for the other two. What you are asking for is not the ability to do so, but the ability to do so for free, please name your thread correctly.
Tian Toralen KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 43	Posted - 2016.03.25 01:30:00 - [8] - Quote Edited. Im a casual player, no intention to pay for more than 1 account. I got myself 2 accounts once, thinking I will do industry with one - but soon I realized I did not use the industry one. The current system does not allow me to try other stuff in a casual way - unless I pay for it. And I don't want to pay for it exactly because I am casual, if I pay for it I feel I am forced to play 2 characters fully, doubling my playing time, and I have no intention for that. EVE is unique in this, imagine another MMORPG requiring another subscription for each character. To me this system feels like some "get the full experience for another 9.99!" scam. I think it would be good for the game in the long run.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 3105	Posted - 2016.03.25 01:32:54 - [9] - Quote Tian Toralen wrote: EVE is unique in this, imagine another MMORPG requiring another subscription for each character. I said it - it would be good for the game in the long run. Imagine another MMO that allows (& only has) passive character training that doesn't require grinding. And you should now understand why you have to pay for more characters to train.
Iain Cariaba 2853	Posted - 2016.03.25 04:12:56 - [10] - Quote Tian Toralen wrote: EVE is unique in this, imagine another MMORPG requiring another subscription for each character. To me this system feels like some "get the full experience for another 9.99!" scam. I think it would be good for the game in the long run. EvE is also unique in that you can pay for those characters entirely with in game currency. EvE is also unique in that you can make money in game through trading characters. EvE is also unique in that you can make money in game by extracting "experience" from one character to sell to another. And, as Nevyn said, EvE is also unique in that you can improve your character while only logging on once every few months, as long as you keep your subs/MCTs paid up. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better. Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 3113	Posted - 2016.03.25 04:39:31 - [11] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: EvE is also unique in that you can pay for those characters entirely with in game currency. This bit incidentally isn't true, though I believe EVE was the first a lot of other games now have a similar system.
Joe Risalo State War Academy Caldari State 1252	Posted - 2016.03.25 04:51:07 - [12] - Quote I really don't see the problem with this request.. I mean, you're paying for an account that has 3 character slots, yet you're locked out of functionality on two of them even though you can only use one at a time... ...Sadly, no one's opinion on this matter AT ALL. Supporter or denier. CCP is already making money by charging for this. Not gonna change until Eve goes free to play.....IF Edit... on second thought, this won't even change if/when they go F2P because it's a way for them to make money still.
Zimmer Jones Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans 457	Posted - 2016.03.25 05:09:56 - [13] - Quote I don't see why I shouldn't get a six pack for the price of a can. I mean it's not like the brewery doesn't produce alot of beer, right? Why should I have to pay for the experience of more beer, just because someone is in business and has profit margins Why should I have to pay what others do, that is: whatever the rest are willing to pay? You pay for Access to ccp's servers with one skill que active, playing character at a time. You can skill all those characters up without paying a single real world piece of currency. It still pays the company and gives them what they need: real world money to buy the whole six pack of beer that they worked for. Use the force without consent and the court wont acquit you even if you are a card carryin', robe wearin' Jedi.
Tian Toralen KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 43	Posted - 2016.03.25 07:35:32 - [14] - Quote They could make it so if an account is paid with real money, it can train 3 chars. I agree, I used PLEX when I had the isk, this is a feature I like and is not found in other games. PLEX prices would go down, customer satisfaction and subscriptions for real $ would go up. They could allow ~infinite characters on the same account, with the possibility of playing them all at once - if 3 of them are active. PLEX prices would be 1/2 the subscription price, this will attract new players that will end up buying a subscription. And there could be 2 types of PLEX - this first one intended for new players, or players that are satisfied with only 1 character, and a second one for those who already have a subscription, these would cost 1/3 of a sub for each new character. And a third type of plex costing 3/4 of a subscription, for 2 characters training. So: 1/2 sub PLEX - 1 character, 3/4 sub PLEX - 2 characters, 1 sub or 3 x 1/3 PLEX: 3 characters and possibility for playing with multiple EVE windows open, and each new character after the third is 1/3 PLEX.
Anthar Thebess 1476	Posted - 2016.03.25 08:35:49 - [15] - Quote But account is always trained for real money. Even when someone activated the plex - someone bought it first, even more price of a PLEX is much bigger than price of a subscription. This is very simple. 1 account allow you to have 1 character logged in. Multiple character training allow you to train more than 1 additional character at the time. This game is to generate income for CCP not for you to have fun (this is a side effect). Stop discrimination, help in a fight against terrorists Show your support to The Cause!
Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 1109	Posted - 2016.03.25 08:42:28 - [16] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Imagine another MMO that allows (& only has) passive character training that doesn't require grinding. And you should now understand why you have to pay for more characters to train. I'll play devil's advocate here: imagine passively training for 20 years instead of actually playing the game for like a month or two to reach peak "strength" and do everything the game allows a character to do Oh well, that's besides the point tbh. Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Tian Toralen KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 43	Posted - 2016.03.25 08:42:36 - [17] - Quote You got it wrong. If the client is not satisfied there is no income. I am still satisfied now ~70%... I presented a new business plan intended to attract new players with somewhat lower prices, but making a subscription more advantageous. More players, more subscriptions, and more fun (having more characters) - translating into even more players...
Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 1109	Posted - 2016.03.25 08:47:45 - [18] - Quote Tian Toralen wrote: You got it wrong. If the client is not satisfied there is no income. I am still satisfied now ~70%... I presented a new business plan intended to attract new players with somewhat lower prices, but making a subscription more advantageous. More players, more subscriptions, and more fun (having more characters) - translating into even more players... Pretty sure CCP have their own economists that set monetization plan that they think is the most profitable. Pretty sure they can back their work up. No offense, but random dude who wants to triple his SP gain for free (something that others evidently are willing to pay for, and they do pay since 2003 for that, compensating for "unsatisfied customers" that may or may not even exist, by the way) making claims about how this will increase CCP's profits without even having access to company's detailed financial data doesn't sound very convincing. Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Arya Regnar Darwins Right Hand 953	Posted - 2016.03.25 08:55:51 - [19] - Quote Tian Toralen wrote: Edited. Im a casual player, no intention to pay for more than 1 account. I got myself 2 accounts once, thinking I will do industry with one - but soon I realized I did not use the industry one. The current system does not allow me to try other stuff in a casual way - unless I pay for it. And I don't want to pay for it exactly because I am casual, if I pay for it I feel I am forced to play 2 characters fully, doubling my playing time, and I have no intention for that. EVE is unique in this, imagine another MMORPG requiring another subscription for each character. To me this system feels like some "get the full experience for another 9.99!" scam. I think it would be good for the game in the long run. Lol what are you? A casual? I refuse to take such a rant thread seriously. You can lock the thread if you don't like me shitposting in a shitposting thread. Also OP has no clue about how companies run, what an idiot. EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
Max Deveron Deveron Shipyards and Technology 262	Posted - 2016.03.25 09:12:44 - [20] - Quote Tian Toralen wrote: Edited. Im a casual player, no intention to pay for more than 1 account. I got myself 2 accounts once, thinking I will do industry with one - but soon I realized I did not use the industry one. The current system does not allow me to try other stuff in a casual way - unless I pay for it. And I don't want to pay for it exactly because I am casual, if I pay for it I feel I am forced to play 2 characters fully, doubling my playing time, and I have no intention for that. EVE is unique in this, imagine another MMORPG requiring another subscription for each character. To me this system feels like some "get the full experience for another 9.99!" scam. I think it would be good for the game in the long run. Hey buddy, how about stopping train on 1 character to train a different one....that or place them on different accounts. That is how it works........ otherwise....... SHUT THE F U C K UP!!. holy crap, ******* casuals. Did not know Goons were hiring strict carebears these days.
Tian Toralen KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 43	Posted - 2016.03.25 09:44:38 - [21] - Quote Be polite. I opened this thread mainly for CCP. The current model in my view is based on getting max $ from plex and subs from an ever decreasing number of players, and this does not help with new players, or with long term profits. Well I said what I wanted. EVE does not require grinding it's true, but it requires either waiting - or (with skill injectors) paying for another character to grow. And beyond that, the new character requires another subscription. And alts are almost mandatory in the end game - at least a cyno alt. I am sure the EVE manual does not mention this: you need at least 2 subscriptions for the end game, else you are a "casual". End game being capital ships.
Danika Princip GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4318	Posted - 2016.03.25 11:07:47 - [22] - Quote But caps aren't the endgame?my dedicated hel pilot is going to end up with roughly 23 million SP when she's finished, does that sound like endgame to you? (for reference, Dani here has 125) Thing with EVE is that there IS no endgame. You make your own goals and targets. On to your actual idea, why do you want to tank the skill injector market and the character bazarr into the ground? Why do you hate the PLEX trade? Why do you feel you're entitled to something, for free, that others have been paying for since 2003? Hell. Keep an eye out for the next time CCP do a power of two offer and get yourself an alt for six months for half price.
Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables 779	Posted - 2016.03.25 12:30:18 - [23] - Quote The basics of your idea have come up time and time again and my response now is the same as it has always been. No, the current system works extremely well to balance the things in the game it was implemented to balance. If the system bothers you so much that you need to post a terrible idea like this then my only question is why are you still paying to play a game you obviously do not like?
Tian Toralen KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 43	Posted - 2016.03.25 14:43:50 - [24] - Quote Donnachadh wrote: The basics of your idea have come up time and time again and my response now is the same as it has always been. No, the current system works extremely well to balance the things in the game it was implemented to balance. If the system bothers you so much that you need to post a terrible idea like this then my only question is why are you still paying to play a game you obviously do not like? I am paying for 1 character, and I like the game. Would like it even more if I were able to train 2 characters. Don't know why this idea bothers people so much, do you own stock in CCP? Are you concerned about CCP finances if my idea were to be implemented? Yes, I am also concerned and wish this game to continue, EVE is a great concept with lots of potential, and I think they would do better with more players paying less.
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 3160	Posted - 2016.03.25 15:32:32 - [25] - Quote The idea bothers us because there is no logic in it. And you don't know what you're talking about. - CCP make more money from players who plex than those who pay for their sub. - there are so many alts in EVE that if you made them free, the lost revenue would eclipse any gain from new players. This idea is far from the lifesaving idea you think it is. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Vengadora The Walking Deads Limited Expectations 0	Posted - 2016.03.26 00:34:32 - [26] - Quote I dont agree with the OP at all! you should have to pay to ge the benefit of the second/third toon. The only thing I dont like is that multiple char training certs cost MORE than a second account! doesnt this create clutter on the servers CCP? wouldnt it be better to sell the multiple training certs for like 10$ USD or a new option for like 40$ a month that gets you all 3 training queues? That is something I could get behind.
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1969	Posted - 2016.03.26 00:59:12 - [27] - Quote Joe Risalo wrote: I really don't see the problem with this request.. I mean, you're paying for an account that has 3 character slots, yet you're locked out of functionality on two of them even though you can only use one at a time... You're paying for a single training queue and login as part of an account. You get to chose what slot to use them and there is no restriction on the ability to switch which is active. Just because there are 3 slots doesn't inherently support the idea that you're paying for 3 training queues so the argument doesn't explicitly follow as stated. It's like saying the reverse functionality on a motor vehicle is limited because it can't be used at the same time as drive.
Tian Toralen KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 45	Posted - 2016.03.30 18:42:00 - [28] - Quote Then allow skills to bring the clone jump timer to 8 hours. Trying to PVP and PVE (exploration or ratting) with the same character, with 20 hours between jumps is not cool, a lot of times I find myself in the wrong place. Or is it designed this way exactly to make people pay for alts? It feels this way. Alts are almost mandatory for any fun to be had. Good luck with subscription numbers when everything in this game feels like "for another 14.99 you can in fact get to fly the ship you bought with the first 14.99, and for another 14.99 you can even shoot with it!".
Iain Cariaba 2868	Posted - 2016.03.30 19:02:08 - [29] - Quote Tian Toralen wrote: Then allow skills to bring the clone jump timer to 8 hours. Trying to PVP and PVE (exploration or ratting) with the same character, with 20 hours between jumps is not cool, a lot of times I find myself in the wrong place. Or is it designed this way exactly to make people pay for alts? It feels this way. Alts are almost mandatory for any fun to be had. Good luck with subscription numbers when everything in this game feels like "for another 14.99 you can in fact get to fly the ship you bought with the first 14.99, and for another 14.99 you can even shoot with it!". Jump clone timers are the way they are to make you have consequences for your decision. You jump into your PvP clone, then proceed to blue ball the **** out of the enemy fleet? Well, go do some other form of PvP for the next day. Just jumped into your PvE clone when the ping goes out? Up to you whether to interceptor over to staging in your PvE clone or to sit this one out. According to CCP's numbers, fully 2/3 of the playerbase only has one account, and a very large majority of the remaining 1/3 only has 2 accounts. People like me, with 4 accounts, are in the vast minority. Your supposition that you cannot play EvE with a single account is not supported by fact. The facts support just the opposite. Suggest you try keeping up to date with the goings on in your coalition. Unless a lot has changed since I left a few months ago, the important stuff is usually announced well over 20 hours in advance over on the goon forums. Your lack of awareness as to the proper time to be jump cloning around is not the fault of CCP. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better. Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Sephiroth Clone VII Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance 166	Posted - 2016.03.31 02:30:41 - [30] - Quote If you want to try something new train it on main, Just train everything on one character, more convenient anyway. Many skills overlap anyway especially for fitting ships and flying them. not supported.

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