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Liu Kaskakka
PAK
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:43:00 -
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I will quit if bob won't get a proper punishment!
I will quit if you touch my missiles!
I will quit if the minmatard won't get a boost!
You can always find a thread in which someone is saying they will quit because <insert a random whine>. They come in masses when there is a dev blog on some future changes. Sometimes they involve a personal grudge and sometimes its a group of people trying to convince CCP that they will go bankrupt because their whole alliance is quitting. At the end of the day a lot of people won't quit (or come back soon enough) because they've invested so much time and effort into Eve and the fact that there really isn't anything better out there at the moment.
So, can you remember some big 'I quit' issues over the years? Which one was the one that created the most whineage?
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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Sokratesz
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:48:00 -
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The general 'i quit' waves have been around the release of major content 'upgrades' as far as i know, so i'd say RMR and Kali.
Suicide is bad, hmkay? (clickety clickety) |
Weebear
The Bowrey
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:48:00 -
[3]
The changes to missiles! |
Benco97
Gallente
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:53:00 -
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I've seen some silly things like people threatening to quit because their face wasn't rendered on the forum. (I liked when there was a way to easily tell a new alt from an old char, bring back the "!")
"MY GOD KEEP THIS AWAY FROM BENCO97!!!!!" - Constantine Arcanum |
Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:53:00 -
[5]
WTZ / WCS-nerf
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EVE is upside down!
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Riho
Red Wrath
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:00:00 -
[6]
WTZ and WCS nerf i guess :)
only played for year and half so havent got a clue about most whines that came before :D
Great being Gallente... aint it ? |
Wotar
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:11:00 -
[7]
When they banned cap ships from entering deadspace was a fun one >.<
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Dexter Rast
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:13:00 -
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when they introduced tracking, that was a good whine, also dual mwd nerfage and chance based ECM
to be fair there have been many many whines over the years, hard to recal all of them
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:13:00 -
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When CCP said skills would no longer train on inactive accounts (don't know if that was ever actually implemented) a bunch of people said they would quit if it was done; only to have it pointed out to them that it was their plan to quit anyway, while their long skills were training. 
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EVE is upside down!
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:14:00 -
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Missiles and the "omg my raven only hit a frig for 0.3 dmg and I died11!"
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:30:00 -
[11]
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 12/02/2007 11:26:57
The missile changes were fun... like 1000 easy-mode Raven mission farmers quit
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deathforge
The Accursed
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Posted - 2007.02.12 12:31:00 -
[12]
 Originally by: Wotar
When they banned cap ships from entering deadspace was a fun one >.<
that was a good one
And by the way, I rule you.
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Tisanta
Amarr
Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom
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Posted - 2007.02.12 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 12/02/2007 11:26:57
The missile changes were fun... like 1000 easy-mode Raven mission farmers quit
XD that was brilliance!
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Matori Kar
Caldari
SlightlyAnnoyingGitCorp
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Posted - 2007.02.12 12:34:00 -
[14]
When CCP admitted to a minor case of cheating in order to whitewash the real issues
Caldari: Don't have to worry about transversal, falloff/optimal, cap, tracking, how your damage type is being tanked,ship speed, the direction you are moving... etc. Easy Mode w00t!! |
Freaky Bare
Minmatar
Blueprint Haus
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 12:44:00 -
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You are absolutely right - most who post they will quit are just making noise. The folks who will REALLY quit due to this don't bother to post here. I know of 3 players (so far)who have cancelled their renewals. CCP has 1-3 weeks to give these players a reason to stay.
This issue is NOT the same as Nerfing missiles or being a '!' for 8 months. If you REALLY think it is then you are - and I hope this is not to strong - an idiot. I do not call folks names lightly - check my posts and you should find this is the most insulting thing I have said to a fellow player.
I am not an Alt, I am ...really, really FUGLY! |
Zeromancer
Gallente
Corp Zero
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Posted - 2007.02.12 12:52:00 -
[16]
Edited by: Zeromancer on 12/02/2007 12:49:28
Tracking nerf.
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Masochistic Cannibal
Amarr
3M Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.02.12 12:59:00 -
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4S alliance,
I think a lot of them did quit initally !! (and some banned over the shuttle/lag incident)
But tbh nothing anyone can remember will even come close to the missile systems change. It was hideous 
Cannibal
I eat babies ! [Hauling services available~ Contact ingame] |
Allantia
FW Inc
Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2007.02.12 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Freaky Bare
You are absolutely right - most who post they will quit are just making noise. The folks who will REALLY quit due to this don't bother to post here. I know of 3 players (so far)who have cancelled their renewals. CCP has 1-3 weeks to give these players a reason to stay.
This issue is NOT the same as Nerfing missiles or being a '!' for 8 months. If you REALLY think it is then you are - and I hope this is not to strong - an idiot. I do not call folks names lightly - check my posts and you should find this is the most insulting thing I have said to a fellow player.
/signed
I didn't bother posting previously on the issue (what can you say in a 100 page thread that hasn't been repeated a dozen times already), but I'm one of those standing back to see how CCP handles this situation in the coming weeks, and it's up to them whether or not my account continues.
Despite the whiners and screamers, and the "constantly-threatening-to-quit"'ers that get the attention I have no doubt that I'm not alone in my feelings.
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Lunadi
Minmatar
Solar Trade
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Posted - 2007.02.12 13:18:00 -
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The quitting threat is often the last action a player can take. Probably in most cases (when it is a serious personal problem of a player) is the efect of:
- intense feeling of unfairness (thus frustration)
- being sure that there is no other way that player can solve this problem (or that the problem will not be solved at all) - look at last events and the quitting menaces atm.
As a menace it is of course silly, but it is actually an important personal signal that someone feels hopeless about some situations or problems. No need to make fun about, better to give a helping hand.
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ChironV
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:09:00 -
[20]
In before the Lock!
Woo Woo! 
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Liu Kaskakka
PAK
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: ChironV
In before the Lock!
Woo Woo!
Why do you think this thread should be locked? Or am I missing something?
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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D'an Y'eal
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:02:00 -
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The difference between missle nerf and Admitted Dev cheating is clear to anybody w/ 1/2 a brain.
MMO's since the begining have had people threaten to quit. I'm pretty sure I remember people claiming they would quit before the game was even released.
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Fswd
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:09:00 -
[23]
Can I have your stuff?
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Kehmor
Caldari
PAK
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:20:00 -
[24]
"pak declared war on me, ban them or i quit"
remember that one liu? 
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fruit cakes
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: fruit cakes on 12/02/2007 15:34:56
you're right people saying they will quit bla bla are just making noise, the truth of the matter is the player base is actually rising, i dont know if anyone noticed but yesterday peak time i noticed over 32k players on eve although i dont agree with whats happened over the past few months i doubt i will ever quit it is still a great game good and bad included.
CCP is much under scrutiny atm but im sure they will come through if they are true to the game and players, people saying im cancelling my subscription etc are weak they arent even giving a strong enough case to there defence and in RL probably give up on things they cant handle way too easy, If you have the strength to see it through the rough times (which is where its at atm) you will come out stronger and better at the other end.
I would like to see more positive feedback to fix issues as opposed to people saying fix this or i quit its just stupid and people wont listen to them sort of remarks
We are all human you know
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Deez Nuttzy
Caldari
Dark Order Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97
I've seen some silly things like people threatening to quit because their face wasn't rendered on the forum. (I liked when there was a way to easily tell a new alt from an old char, bring back the "!")
yeah i miss my !
! FTW come on CCP stop screwing with us. Thats it I am going home and taking my stuff to ebay.
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Logi3
EVE Corporation 1631
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:53:00 -
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I QUIT!!1! I have quit reading "I quit" threads :P
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Secretary
Bargain consumables
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: Secretary on 12/02/2007 16:51:58
Edited by: Secretary on 12/02/2007 16:50:59
Originally by: fruit cakes
the truth of the matter is the player base is actually rising, i dont know if anyone noticed but yesterday peak time i noticed over 32k players on eve
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they arent even giving a strong enough case to there defence
Um, server population doesn't reflect subsription numbers, in case you were trying to provide a strong case for this...
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people saying im cancelling my subscription etc are weak ....... and in RL probably give up on things they cant handle way too easy, If you have the strength to see it through the rough times (which is where its at atm) you will come out stronger and better at the other end.
It's not a marriage, it's a service provided for money. If the service isn't seen to be worth the money then people won't pay.
I am an alt.
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Liu Kaskakka
PAK
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Posted - 2007.02.13 11:37:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Secretary
Um, server population doesn't reflect subsription numbers
You sure about that? ^_^
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.02.13 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
I will quit if bob won't get a proper punishment!
I will quit if you touch my missiles!
I will quit if the minmatard won't get a boost!
You can always find a thread in which someone is saying they will quit because <insert a random whine>. They come in masses when there is a dev blog on some future changes. Sometimes they involve a personal grudge and sometimes its a group of people trying to convince CCP that they will go bankrupt because their whole alliance is quitting. At the end of the day a lot of people won't quit (or come back soon enough) because they've invested so much time and effort into Eve and the fact that there really isn't anything better out there at the moment.
So, can you remember some big 'I quit' issues over the years? Which one was the one that created the most whineage?
most dont quite point them to the features and ideas forums instead
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.02.13 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Originally by: Secretary
Um, server population doesn't reflect subsription numbers
You sure about that? ^_^
Generally about 25% of subscribers are online during peak hours, we have about 160k subscriptions and PCU of about 35k, so it seems pretty normal, at about 20% if I'm not wrong. 
Wrangler
Assistant Community Manager
EVE Online
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.02.13 12:33:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Originally by: Secretary
Um, server population doesn't reflect subsription numbers
You sure about that? ^_^
Generally about 25% of subscribers are online during peak hours, we have about 160k subscriptions and PCU of about 35k, so it seems pretty normal, at about 20% if I'm not wrong.
Wrangler
Assistant Community Manager
EVE Online
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.13 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Originally by: Secretary
Um, server population doesn't reflect subsription numbers
You sure about that? ^_^
Most came online to give someone else their stuff.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.13 12:38:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Originally by: Secretary
Um, server population doesn't reflect subsription numbers
You sure about that? ^_^
Most came online to give someone else their stuff.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.13 12:49:00 -
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Eve is not much about keeping users. CCP said before the average time people spend ingame is about 7 months. Which means that in order to thrive, CCP needs to continue attracting new players. Now with the bad publicity, that is the place where CCP is most vulnerable. Game that gets extremely bad reviews is not likely to pick up many new players.
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Ralitge boyter
Minmatar
NxT LeveL
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Posted - 2007.02.13 12:51:00 -
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With some though I guess a lot of us do hope that the "I quite because ...." actualy does lead to the player quiting as most of the time it is nothing more then short sightedness from the player in question.
I have to say the missile one was by far the most fun. Though the tracking and double MWD nerfs would come quite close.
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Joe
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Posted - 2007.02.13 12:52:00 -
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Running Mwd while in warp nurfed:
'omg if i cant exit warp at max velocity how will i ever get to gate b4 Tankceo kills me'
Mwd stacking nurf/Oversized Afterburner nurf:
'omg this is a legitamate tactic and game mechanic, my ship is Ment to be this agile'
Re-route of yulai travel paths:
'You just killed eve, wtf is everyone going todo with stuff they need to sell??"
Yulai was a close second runner up but the biggest whine fest i can remember was:
Cap Power relay Vs Shield booster nurf:
'Omfg i cant go afk at belts overnight and chain close range npc with smartbombs??? You cant play without a tank -> QUIT'
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d026
Herrscher der Zeit Jagdgeschwader
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.02.13 12:54:00 -
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yeah dont tuch my missiles. i gonna quit to then:P
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Mikal Drey
Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.13 12:54:00 -
[39]
Hey hey
Hmmm where to start.
Missile Changes
Lag
Bugs
Pos Labs STILL not working to Public
The Constant Nerf/Buff/Nerf/Buff
Invention Sinkhole
COSMOS bugs/Nerfs/Non buffing
The FIRST dev Scandal
The SECOND . .
Stab Change
TI BPO's >> TII BPOS "created" *expanded cargoholds etc.
too much SoonÖ and not enough NowÖ
Suicide Altism being "part of the game"
Contracts
Scanning being "chance based"
IPO scams
Logofski's
* im trying to Quit but 1) its habitual 2) theres NOTHING else worth playing
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d026
Herrscher der Zeit Jagdgeschwader
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.02.13 12:55:00 -
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Quote:
Generally about 25% of subscribers are online during peak hours
that means something like 70% of the other accounts are alts:)
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.02.13 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: d026
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Generally about 25% of subscribers are online during peak hours
that means something like 70% of the other accounts are alts:)
There arent exact numbers, but less than 20% of subscribers has more than one account which means 80% or more has a single account. Roughly it means at least 128k of the accounts are individual subscribers, probably a bit more.
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Assistant Community Manager
EVE Online
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General Xerxes
GREY COUNCIL
Breidablik
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Posted - 2007.02.13 13:50:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: d026
Quote:
Generally about 25% of subscribers are online during peak hours
that means something like 70% of the other accounts are alts:)
There arent exact numbers, but less than 20% of subscribers has more than one account which means 80% or more has a single account. Roughly it means at least 128k of the accounts are individual subscribers, probably a bit more.
Wow, I thought it was much higher than 20%.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.13 14:22:00 -
[43]
Depends how they determine it, if they just track accounts paid with the same credit card they will miss all people who use GTCs to "fuel" alts.
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Milena Marich
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Posted - 2007.02.13 14:41:00 -
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The case now can always be made when CCP moves to ban someone for an exploit that "one of your own did it". Sure it's privately owned and operated, but now we know for sure that cheating is tolerable under particular circumstances, and if you're not in the inner circle, you're out of the game. Thanks for letting us know that now.
Freaking creator of the game, personally helping to pave the way for an alliance is definitely deus ex machina no matter how you slice it.
Joke's on me for joining EVE without realizing this. I applaud you for taking the money you got out of me, bravo:
ôYour account will be suspended at the end of the current play period.
Expires on 05. September 2007ö
Could I get $$$ for last 6 months back so I can quit now, please?
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Ketrin
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Posted - 2007.02.13 14:47:00 -
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Name changing policy especialy the 4S corporation and S.A.S. names. Lot's of ppl canceled their accounts back then, but I can bet that's not what made CCP give them their names back.
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Milena Marich
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Posted - 2007.02.13 15:18:00 -
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Ketrin I just do not care anymore and here is why:
There is proof that certain BoB members broke the EULA (and even an admission in DBP's case) and yet they were never punished. Ironically, people are being punished NOW for even asking about it. (Sir Molle published K's RL info, Dianobolic made RL threats about K, DBP Preacher admitted to trying to buy an account from a friend--all against the EULA. The same EULA that CCP has used to ban people for far less--that's just what's been proven).
I am SICK of that.
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Arkios Odymei
The Marauders
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Posted - 2007.02.13 15:19:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Milena Marich
ôYour account will be suspended at the end of the current play period.
Expires on 05. September 2007ö
Could I get $$$ for last 6 months back so I can quit now, please?
You are posting in the wrong thread. This one is to mock people like you. Good job...
And no.
As for Quiting whines, I always enjoyed the "Tier 3 BS ohNoes!11"
If such and such ship (which isnt even out yet) isnt exactly how I want it, Im outa here!
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.13 15:31:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: d026
Quote:
Generally about 25% of subscribers are online during peak hours
that means something like 70% of the other accounts are alts:)
There arent exact numbers, but less than 20% of subscribers has more than one account which means 80% or more has a single account. Roughly it means at least 128k of the accounts are individual subscribers, probably a bit more.
Your figure is based on an assumption that those with more than 1 account will have 2. While not impossible, from personal experience with ASCN as well as seeing the figures for BoB for example, I think you are underestimating the number of accounts being third+ accounts, and thus overestimating the number of individual account holders.
Let me give you an example.
Say you have 200k accounts. 100k of them are 1 person 1 account. 1 guy has the other 100k accounts. You will have 99.999% of people only having one account, and yet still 50% of accounts being held by multiple account holders.
Personally, I think that once people have set the step to take a second account, a third and 4th are not far off.
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UbaH n00b
Whoregasm
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Posted - 2007.02.13 16:02:00 -
[49]
Originally by: d026
yeah dont tuch my missiles. i gonna quit to then:P
Lets be honest d0... would anyone care??!!
Originally by: Avon
I think it is a little unfair to expect CCP to fix the internet.
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Zartacla
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.13 16:04:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Aramendel
Depends how they determine it, if they just track accounts paid with the same credit card they will miss all people who use GTCs to "fuel" alts.
I would imagine that there is a 'human being' attached to each account though regardless of how it is paid for.
If you didn't keep correct information attached to that account, you would have some real problems if anything ever went wrong with it...
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.13 16:08:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: d026
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Generally about 25% of subscribers are online during peak hours
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There arent exact numbers, but less than 20% of subscribers has more than one account which means 80% or more has a single account. Roughly it means at least 128k of the accounts are individual subscribers, probably a bit more.
Your figure is based on an assumption that those with more than 1 account will have 2.
Say you have 200k accounts. 100k of them are 1 person 1 account. 1 guy has the other 100k accounts. You will have 99.999% of people only having one account, and yet still 50% of accounts being held by multiple account holders.
Personally, I think that once people have set the step to take a second account, a third and 4th are not far off.
It can be read in: 200K subscirbers, 20% are multiple accounts, so 160K single account subscribed (and 160K subscribers), and 40K multiple accounts (at an average ot 4 accounts/person, another 10K subscribers).
BTW, for the whine about bans, as CCP don't give informations on bans and for sure the involved alliances will not give info on the number of people eventually banned, you don't know if someone has been banned.
And K has commited RL felonies, and that give reasons to ban him, indipently from putting RL info in forum or not.
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Zartacla
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.13 16:08:00 -
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don't know if anyone mentioned it but:
Drone Changes
-they were getting SOOOO NERFED - and even those that admitted that they weren't still wanted to quit because it is sooo cool to see 15 drones flying around a ship.
dunno if ever a weapon system has been buffed so much
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Grez
Minmatar
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.13 16:10:00 -
[53]
Tachyon Beam Nerf :(
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Kren Mobius
Gallente
Vengeance of the Fallen
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.13 16:15:00 -
[54]
Originally by: fruit cakes
Edited by: fruit cakes on 12/02/2007 15:34:56...i dont know if anyone noticed but yesterday peak time i noticed over 32k players on eve...
I think next weekend would be a better indicator... might have been high due to people logging in to set long skill trains for while their accounts are inactive.
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Mortania
Minmatar
Carbide Industries
Apocalyptica.
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Posted - 2007.02.13 16:24:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Venkul Mul
And K has commited RL felonies, and that give reasons to ban him, indipently from putting RL info in forum or not.
Alleged.
As for this thread, trivializing people's frustration FTW!!!
Sure glad this thread is being ***erated. 
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.13 16:44:00 -
[56]
 Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
So, can you remember some big 'I quit' issues over the years? Which one was the one that created the most whineage?
One big "I quit" wave was back in 2006 when Cheyenne Shadowborn said she'd quit. I vividly remember about half of the subscribers saying "then I quit, too" and one guy asking for sleeping pills. It was the Take That disbanding allover again
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Jet Collins
Dynamic Endeavors
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Posted - 2007.02.13 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Jet Collins on 13/02/2007 16:52:27
I will quit if I don't kill you one day Liu Kaskakka.
After 3 years I still havn't tracked you down to kill you for being the first person to pop a ship.
Dynamic Endeavors is now Recuiting.!!
Contact me in game for deatails about the corp.
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Auman
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.13 17:07:00 -
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Cap power relay nerf ftw!! WHY CAN'T I RUN A SHIELD TANKED APOC AND ALL MY GUNS FOREVER!!!!!111
The "I quit" if they don't roll back just after castor was pretty fun too
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Zartacla
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.13 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Mortania
As for this thread, trivializing people's frustration FTW!!!
Sure glad this thread is being ***erated.
maybe you should Quit!!!
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.02.13 17:27:00 -
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A troll thread if ever I saw one. Why hasn't this been locked already?
Ahhh, now I get it ...
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.02.13 17:41:00 -
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I'm so sick and tired of the tinfoil hattery.
I was accused of being in BoB or being a lackey of BoB simply because I said I was satisfied with CCP's official response. I don't even like BoB. The dev's cheating was so incredibly profoundly lame it hurts my brain how someone could be such a loser.
But I said it before and I'll say it again: Some people will never be satisfied.
The official response couldn't get more eloquent or more fair. Then people are like "Cyvok's titan got TELEPORTED so they could kill it in the war!"
Dear god wtf?
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Riho
Red Wrath
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.02.13 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Frug
The official response couldn't get more eloquent or more fair. Then people are like "Cyvok's titan got TELEPORTED so they could kill it in the war!"
Dear god wtf?
i lolled :D
who ever said that should suicide theyr char to a gate camp 20 times whitout buying a new clone :)
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Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.02.13 18:11:00 -
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> ECM changed to chance
> Missile changes
> Level 4s
> T2 lottery... forever
> Stacking changes - no more gankageddons!
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Novina Agrari
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Posted - 2007.02.13 18:13:00 -
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So, threads and posts where people complain about BoB and dev preferential treatment - those get locked or stealth deleted. But sycophantic 'lol no one's going to quit over the cheating' posts.. they get two responses from the dev team.
Gotta love these priorities!
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Athren Soulsteal
Gallente
Intergalaxy Salvage And Repair
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Posted - 2007.02.13 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: d026
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Generally about 25% of subscribers are online during peak hours
that means something like 70% of the other accounts are alts:)
There arent exact numbers, but less than 20% of subscribers has more than one account which means 80% or more has a single account. Roughly it means at least 128k of the accounts are individual subscribers, probably a bit more.
Intresting, will that blows out of the water the posts that asked plyers how many accounts they had and it showed (at least for the forum warriors) that the average was 2.6 accounts per person. Hemm that means that if only 20% the players have multiple accounts and 80% have 1 account then you have to adjust those with multiple accounts up by reducing and compensating for the number of single account holders and you get.... OMG there is 1 player out the with 120k accounts.....
Say can you tell the average time spent in EVE per day? Last night there was 10k players on and at peak there is about 30k+, if there are truly 25% of the subscribers on at peak then how long did they play? If you have 100 people at your job but only see 25 at any time of the day then that would mean that they are only at work 14 hours a day and that when one leaves the next starts.... WTH? If there were 100k active accounts there should be at least 1 day that 50% (50k) players were on even with the overlaping time zones. The flip side is also true, if you see accounts go off line at the exact time (within a few min) it could be sumized that it was just people with the same schedules, however is more likly that if 4 or more account offlining at the same time was 1 person logging off.
As to the OP, people quit for verious reasions. I have quit EVE 4 times not because of changes but because of issues like the recent (but not unique) one. People quiting are voting with their feet. I cancled several of my accounts when Kali was released without Reverse Enginnering which was the only reasion I had come back after the last time. Now while you my think that something is whinage those that do quit are doing so for good reasions ITHO. In my case the accounts were cancled because I don't like being lied too, nor do I approve of using bait and switch techniques.
So to those that actually quit for what ever reasion I applaud them for sticking to their convictions, for those that just say they are, well go ahead and quit and don't worry when you come back 6 months or years later don't worry because as it has been shown recently nothing has really changed since EVE started.
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Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.02.13 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Novina Agrari
So, threads and posts where people complain about BoB and dev preferential treatment - those get locked or stealth deleted. But sycophantic 'lol no one's going to quit over the cheating' posts.. they get two responses from the dev team.
Gotta love these priorities!
a) There are plenty of whining posts about omg BoB is haxxing and node crashed my titan assembly line that have not been locked.
b) They said a hundred times to post in the official thread about it. Douches still keep making new topics because. I dunno. They're douches.
c) As much as you want to whine about how BoB hacked your brain, can you really blame CCP for leaving a few threads that say "Eve doesn't suck and i'm not leaving" in their own forums? Have you seen the number of negative threads they leave open?
d) You'll never be satisfied.
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Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.02.13 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
Your figure is based on an assumption that those with more than 1 account will have 2. While not impossible, from personal experience with ASCN as well as seeing the figures for BoB for example, I think you are underestimating the number of accounts being third+ accounts, and thus overestimating the number of individual account holders.
Let me give you an example.
Say you have 200k accounts. 100k of them are 1 person 1 account. 1 guy has the other 100k accounts. You will have 99.999% of people only having one account, and yet still 50% of accounts being held by multiple account holders.
Personally, I think that once people have set the step to take a second account, a third and 4th are not far off.
My calculations based on a dev post a month ago that said less than 25% (instead of 20%) and two polling threads (one here and one att mmorpg.com) about how many acount people have gave me around 3-3.5 acounts per multi acount player and just above 100k unique subscribers.
If we use less than 20% instead of 25% it should land around 110-115k unique players.
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Manus Ghostface
Caldari
Oberon Incorporated
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.02.13 18:50:00 -
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I don't make idle threats, and I don't have any delusions that it will be a big difference to the CCP bottomline, but when I said I would quit over "the incident" I followed through on it. So did 5 other people I brought into the game, accounting for 17 accounts in total. We have had bad experiences in way way back in the past (Trade wars 2002 was a good one for admins to exploit), Counterstrike, ect, and cannot and will not tolerate a rigged table.
Vote with your feet.
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Ather Ialeas
Amarr
Karjala Inc.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.13 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Originally by: Secretary
Um, server population doesn't reflect subsription numbers
You sure about that? ^_^
Generally about 25% of subscribers are online during peak hours, we have about 160k subscriptions and PCU of about 35k, so it seems pretty normal, at about 20% if I'm not wrong.
Last time I heard EVE had 175k subscribers.
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Posted - 2007.02.13 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ather Ialeas
Originally by: Wrangler
Generally about 25% of subscribers are online during peak hours, we have about 160k subscriptions and PCU of about 35k, so it seems pretty normal, at about 20% if I'm not wrong.
Last time I heard EVE had 175k subscribers.
Yeah, but fifteen thousand of them just quit...
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Vansard
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Posted - 2007.02.13 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Novina Agrari
So, threads and posts where people complain about BoB and dev preferential treatment - those get locked or stealth deleted. But sycophantic 'lol no one's going to quit over the cheating' posts.. they get two responses from the dev team.
Gotta love these priorities!
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qilin
S.A.S
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.02.13 20:53:00 -
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theres always someone going 'i'll quit cos of ...' as if anyone give a damn:D
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Ikarushka
A.O.U. Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.13 21:08:00 -
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that is generally true in any game that the day of a new release brings forward lots of very uber programmer who know how to do it better and of cource waves and waves of paying customers... it comes and goes
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Cadela Fria
Amarr
Eye of God
X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.13 21:20:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Novina Agrari
So, threads and posts where people complain about BoB and dev preferential treatment - those get locked or stealth deleted. But sycophantic 'lol no one's going to quit over the cheating' posts.. they get two responses from the dev team.
Gotta love these priorities!
Gotta love your trolling
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Posted - 2007.02.13 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Cadela Fria
Gotta love your trolling
You're my biggest fan, Cadela Fria. I appreciate all the quotes and bumps.
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Micia
Minmatar
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.13 21:56:00 -
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(already mentioned, but whatever) - The 4S name change.
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Secretary
Bargain consumables
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:27:00 -
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What i meant to say about server population is that the CCP payment model encourages people to subscribe for longer chunks of time in one payment to receive a discounted per month cost.
The server population doesn't reflect the number of people who have cancelled the payment for another chunk of evetime, it could take up to a year before all those folks who have cancelled are unable to log in to the server. A lot of alts are fueled by the funny money GameTimeCards, so it's unknowable how many of those will cease subscribing until they're gone.
So, while we're being graced with statistical info about the subscriber base... how many people cancelled their account in the last month with "omg hax" or similar as the feedback?
(In before the lock / deletion / etc of this specific post.)
I am an alt.
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Jack'O Blades
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:32:00 -
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I wont quit my job even if the company I work for has been REPEATEDLY discriminating against black, yellow, brown... hell.. white "blue-eyed" people and wont change policy by hiding it.
I wont quit from my government even if the corrupted 'dictator' decide that military budget is more important than health or education budget.... since defence against 'rogue' country or maintaining power is more important.
I wont quit life even if I am dying of terminal degenerative disease and suffering like hell... and there is no coming back to 'normal' even if a cure is found and financially ruining my family...
I wont quit anything since I dont have a sence of morality/fairness or just being plain narrow-minded... quiting is for losers they say...
I wont quit Eve even if allegations for dev misconduct has been proven true and the devs are silencing this matter... AND allowing this thread when we are 'know' they will delete any related threatening posts...
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I do realise that the RL examples i used can NOT (EMPHASISING """NOT""") be correlated with a GAME... but this is how i feel about these posts about quiting or not disregarding the feeling/opinions of others and making a joke out of it... A lot of people are unhappy for many reasons... who are you to say its insignificant???
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Kramerite
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Frug
I'm so sick and tired of the tinfoil hattery.
I was accused of being in BoB or being a lackey of BoB simply because I said I was satisfied with CCP's official response. I don't even like BoB. The dev's cheating was so incredibly profoundly lame it hurts my brain how someone could be such a loser.
"He did it, we say we've punished him (despite not sacking the said culprit), we're not penalizing people who have benefited from the aforesaid cheating, and we refuse to discuss why we did and conversely didn't ban certain other parties?"
Ah so this is being a sore loser? Interesting opinion there.
It comes across as a whitewash, and with all the negative publicity this is generating for EVE, do you seriously think that prospective new subscribers are going to feel like paying money for that?
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Secretary
Bargain consumables
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:43:00 -
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oh ffs don't get the thread locked before i get my answers please.
I am an alt.
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Kyria Timeyu
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Posted - 2007.02.14 00:13:00 -
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Eve doesn't generally notice people unsubscribing because it has a monopoly on both space MMOGs and PvP oriented MMOGs. But that doesn't mean that stupid decisions don't hurt the game. Because they get people ****ed off and they start looking at other options. And once a good competition is out, such hated but still played games usually collapse horribly.
Just look what happened to DAoC. The devs treated everyone like crap, but subscriber numbers remained stable. Then WoW came out and so many people left and never came back that the producers stopped releasing subscriber numbers from then on. 3 Months later servers which used to have 3000 people on maybe had 500 left.
Eve is threatened by the same exodus as soon as it doesn't have a monopoly anymore.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2007.02.14 00:37:00 -
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Whines about NPC corps will never take an end.
Even though they are open for everybody.
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jeNK
Caldari
STK Scientific
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.14 00:48:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: d026
Quote:
Generally about 25% of subscribers are online during peak hours
that means something like 70% of the other accounts are alts:)
There arent exact numbers, but less than 20% of subscribers has more than one account which means 80% or more has a single account. Roughly it means at least 128k of the accounts are individual subscribers, probably a bit more.
What about GTC accounts since the 'legalisation' of GTC for ISK sales?
I know a number of people funding multiple accounts without paying a penny in real currency for as many as 8 accounts..
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Ben Derindar
KelBen Productions
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Posted - 2007.02.14 00:57:00 -
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Most have been said already, but from the past:
Dual MWD / AB + MWD nerf
the missile changes
the EW changes
the siege of EC-P8R
non-consentual PvP in general
And more recently:
WTZ / the WCS nerf
the BoB witchhunt
non-consentual PvP in general
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Dreck Morrison
Amarr
No Quarter.
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Posted - 2007.02.14 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Mikal Drey
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* im trying to Quit but 1) its habitual 2) theres NOTHING else worth playing
I 2nd the comments above. Every other game holds my attention for about 1 week....then I just say "this blows, whats going on in my corp forums?" and I roll right back to eve.
From my own corp I got asked the other day "why do you keep ratting/mission running/exploring, ect. when you have billions of isk". To which I responded: I like doing it and it sure as hell beats watching tv or playing other bad games. One of the main reasons is of course the people I play with, and the in game challenges others bring to you.
Now to stay on topic:
The biggest whine I can remember was the 1st tech 2 miner bpo handed out at an event.....
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.02.14 13:16:00 -
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CCP doesnt want eve to die... they need the money to keep rolling in until they can get white wolf to pick up the phone, ever since the dev scandal (omfg i said it! ima getting banned now!!  ) they have been bringing white wolf flowers and chocolate and ringing at all times day and night
The game they are working on sounds sweet.. anyone who has played Bloodlines knows white wolf will deliver massively, and bobdevs aside, eve is awesome for at least your first year or so...
When the new game hits eve will be on its last legs methinks... i know it doesnt seem like you could just leave your char and stuff but look at how many other games have bitten the dust... CCP is ready for that eventuality.
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