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Destiny Dain2
Your Destiny Corporation
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Posted - 2016.03.25 06:52:48 -
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I have been seeing this new mining drone that is not yet available and looks very interesting.
Video of it animating in window preview with stats.
Excavator Mining Drone
High Res. Images with stats on my blog.
http://tomseve.blogspot.com/2016/03/images-of-day-03242016.html
What do you think? |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
91
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Posted - 2016.03.25 07:45:48 -
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Not great on its own. Kind of more an icing on the cake addition.
That is, this drone alone won't bring the Rorqual into belts. There need to be much greater motivations than this, but if the Rorqual changes are good, then the drone is a nice extra to have.
Aside from that, this is a click bait thread. |
Destiny Dain2
Your Destiny Corporation
45
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Posted - 2016.03.25 07:53:55 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Not great on its own. Kind of more an icing on the cake addition.
That is, this drone alone won't bring the Rorqual into belts. There need to be much greater motivations than this, but if the Rorqual changes are good, then the drone is a nice extra to have.
Aside from that, this is a click bait thread.
Can not say much about it. I think it depends on how many drones you can release. I am hoping we can place modules to sent out a few more drones. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
91
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Posted - 2016.03.25 08:05:23 -
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Well on current SiSi stats, it has 200 Mbit/sec bandwidth.
No one is fitting many at that figure if it stays that way, at least on anything less than a rebalanced Rorqual. It's not a mining drone for anyone. Only for use on a theoretical ship with massive bandwidth, so not in highsec at all.
Will mainly be an option in the safety of sov null that is being well used and defended. |
Destiny Dain2
Your Destiny Corporation
45
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Posted - 2016.03.25 08:24:06 -
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When I said sending out more drones I was thinking of being able to send out the normal 5 large drones for those rats and maybe two of these drones for mining.
Since they what more people using the Rorqual I think they are going to have to do more options with their high slots and not just for boosting
or maybe even let us fit "Captial Mining Lasers" or something like that. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
7204
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Posted - 2016.03.25 08:33:04 -
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Looks like a rogue drone, I am personally more in favor of design like the salvage drone is.
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Yiole Gionglao
6350
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Posted - 2016.03.25 09:10:30 -
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My thoughts as a professional miner:
Before checking stats:
Oh come on...
After checking stats:
Useless non-highsec piece of sh/t.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
4951
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Posted - 2016.03.25 09:21:29 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Well on current SiSi stats, it has 200 Mbit/sec bandwidth.
No one is fitting many at that figure if it stays that way, at least on anything less than a rebalanced Rorqual. It's not a mining drone for anyone. Only for use on a theoretical ship with massive bandwidth, so not in highsec at all.
Will mainly be an option in the safety of sov null that is being well used and defended.
CCP is going full stupid with nullsec PvE. Who is supposed to use that drone?
Nullsec miners? That's a breed so rare that can't be quantitfied.
Nullsec dwellers acting as miners? Come on. They plain hate mining fleet ops.
Highsec miners allured by new hardware?. That's stupid.
It would make a lot more of sense to rework the Rorqual so it was usable in highsec (say, scale it so it was just a bit better than freighter+boost Orca combo). |
Destiny Dain2
Your Destiny Corporation
45
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Posted - 2016.03.25 09:30:29 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: It would make a lot more of sense to rework the Rorqual so it was usable in highsec (say, scale it so it was just a bit better than freighter+boost Orca combo).
I would actually mine a lot more if I could buy a Rorqual and use it in high sec. |
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Stain Confederation
465
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Posted - 2016.03.25 12:18:54 -
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Looks interesting. I suspect it will work much like the new fighters for capital ships but be bonused for the rorqual.
After seeing this I strongly suspect that they will unveil a Rorqual rebalance at fanfest this year.
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An Alternative to Skill Trading
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Abadayos
Yulai RnD
15
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Posted - 2016.03.25 13:25:44 -
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Some fine people on Reddit have done some numbers on these things and with the assumption that the Rorq will get some sort of bonus to using mining 'fighters' to be able to use 5 at once, the theoretical max mining yield with the 5 and max skills is in the region of 10,000m3/minute. Now this is NOT counting travel time as it's horrible (150m/s with maxed skills from memory, could be wrong, still sub 200 either way). Factoring that the realistic yield drops down significantly, so much so that they are almost not worth the bother (for a frame of referance a maxed hulk is around 3.6k m3/minute or whatever, soemwhere around there).
here is the link:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4aufqg/sisi_excavator_drone/
Will this make me use my Rorq in nullsec in a belt as opposed to sitting it in the PoS boosting? No, the realistic attainable yield is not enough to justify the 2.4 billion+ ships to sit in a belt and boost and mine about as much as 2 hulks, maybe less due to not wanting to be bumping asteriods when warping out (assuming not just gtfo jumping when hostiles appear in system). Granted insurance will cover around 1.8 bill of the hull, you only need to mine 600ish to 'break even' but even then, that break even point is still a meh proposition.
This is also assuming that the rorq can even use 5 of the things. On SiSi the stats are the exact same as they are now on Tranquility so testing is impossible and with the expansion coming out in around a months, some of us are getting a little worried that this is going to get rushed out and botched and not fixed for quite some time due to not enough testing. |
Aurelius Ignum
Forging Industries
Silent Infinity
0
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Posted - 2016.03.25 14:13:33 -
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With POS shield bubbles going away, it would seem that the days of Rorqs just sitting at the POS giving boosts are limited.
This will give the Rorq pilot an incentive, if not an outright necessity, of actually having to do something.
But these mining drones look like a poor choice in the actual something to do. |
Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
1289
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Posted - 2016.03.25 14:23:53 -
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You idiots.
The idea is to get out of hisec, not beg for awesome null ships to be used in it.
I can just see all the rorquals undocking 1 minute after downtime to hoover up hisec belts with fleets of alt exhumers.
F##### stupid.
Ugh, breathing through my mouth here, my disgust can really only be expressed with interpretive dance.
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Aurelius Ignum
Forging Industries
Silent Infinity
0
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Posted - 2016.03.25 14:38:03 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:The idea is to get out of hisec, not beg for awesome null ships to be used in it.
I can just see all the rorquals undocking 1 minute after downtime to hoover up hisec belts with fleets of alt exhumers.
F##### stupid.
Ugh, breathing through my mouth here, my disgust can really only be expressed with interpretive dance.
I think this would be a good thing. Just imagine the Rorqual ganks! If you thought they cried over their Hulk, just imagine the gnashing of teeth over burned Rorqual hulls littering the wayside... |
Naj Panora
Diamond Dust.
Shiva Alliance
30
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Posted - 2016.03.25 15:06:42 -
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Maybe allow Rorqs in HS if the owner has standing with an empire of 4.0 or better and then it could only use the gates in that empire's space. Would keep the number of people using rorqs in hs down. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10060
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Posted - 2016.03.25 19:19:35 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote: my disgust can really only be expressed with interpretive dance. Is it too much to ask for a short video of your performance?
Mr Epeen 
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Destiny Dain2
Your Destiny Corporation
45
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Posted - 2016.03.25 22:10:58 -
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Just thought of something. I do not know if it is a good idea since I can not test it, but. a way to get these drones on without a big reworking of the Rorqual and usable on other ships.
They could make a new module that increases the ships drone bandwidth. So for instance a ship that normally sent out 5 med. drones with a couple of these modules you can sent out 4 large drones for higher damage and survivability in null against rats.
Would something like this actually work? |
pushdogg
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
122
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Posted - 2016.03.25 23:50:46 -
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Aurelius Ignum wrote:With POS shield bubbles going away, it would seem that the days of Rorqs just sitting at the POS giving boosts are limited.
This will give the Rorq pilot an incentive, if not an outright necessity, of actually having to do something.
But these mining drones look like a poor choice in the actual something to do.
When off-grid boosts get changed the rorq will have to be on on-grid, might as well give it something to do. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2016.03.26 00:10:48 -
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Destiny Dain2 wrote:Just thought of something. I do not know if it is a good idea since I can not test it, but. a way to get these drones on without a big reworking of the Rorqual and usable on other ships.
They could make a new module that increases the ships drone bandwidth. So for instance a ship that normally sent out 5 med. drones with a couple of these modules you can sent out 4 large drones for higher damage and survivability in null against rats.
Would something like this actually work?
Firstly, why do these drones need to be used by other ships?
If you want to use them, then learn to fly the ship that is designed to use them with.
Secondly, no that wouldn't work in any case.
In addition to 200 MBit/sec bandwidth, the drone has a volume of 200 m^3 (SiSi stats, so subject to change).
That won't fit in the drone bay of regular mining barges or exhumers, etc.
Think of it like the Gecko of mining drones. Big and uses lots of bandwidth, so limited in how many and what ships can use it. Not everything in the game needs to be usable by everyone. It's ok for things to be specialised. |
Tenchi Sal
White Knights of Equestria
242
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Posted - 2016.03.26 03:11:39 -
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I'm guessing we may get more info come fanfest. |
Abadayos
Yulai RnD
15
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Posted - 2016.03.26 04:03:10 -
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Tenchi Sal wrote:I'm guessing we may get more info come fanfest.
Sadly it looks like the case which sucks because it limits the shake down time we have for testing and working out the kinks and bugs that may result, or over/under powered mechanics that would ruin the null/LS economy (rorqs are not going to be allowed into HS, you have Orca's for that job, less risk thus less boost/reward).
Would be nice to simply get an update on the stats of the rorq and have some things waiting in the wings like new moduals etc for it to be released come FanFest |
Oxide Ammar
238
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Posted - 2016.03.26 06:53:51 -
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Tenchi Sal wrote:I'm guessing we may get more info come fanfest.
Why everyone talking about Fanfest ? Rorqual need to be resolved like rest of capitals in Citadel Patch.
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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
312
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Posted - 2016.03.26 08:05:52 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Destiny Dain2 wrote:Just thought of something. I do not know if it is a good idea since I can not test it, but. a way to get these drones on without a big reworking of the Rorqual and usable on other ships.
They could make a new module that increases the ships drone bandwidth. So for instance a ship that normally sent out 5 med. drones with a couple of these modules you can sent out 4 large drones for higher damage and survivability in null against rats.
Would something like this actually work? Firstly, why do these drones need to be used by other ships? If you want to use them, then learn to fly the ship that is designed to use them with. Secondly, no that wouldn't work in any case. In addition to 200 MBit/sec bandwidth, the drone has a volume of 200 m^3 (SiSi stats, so subject to change). That won't fit in the drone bay of regular mining barges or exhumers, etc. Think of it like the Gecko of mining drones. Big and uses lots of bandwidth, so limited in how many and what ships can use it. Not everything in the game needs to be usable by everyone. It's ok for things to be specialised.
What's the point of mining drones that 99% of miners can't use?
Most mining by far goes on in HS, we know that. So making a drone unusable in the main mining sector makes zero sense.
Please don't start droning on about moving to null and buying a Rorqual either, I want 1k bandwidth and a 1k drone hold on my Exhumer. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2016.03.26 08:16:15 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Destiny Dain2 wrote:Just thought of something. I do not know if it is a good idea since I can not test it, but. a way to get these drones on without a big reworking of the Rorqual and usable on other ships.
They could make a new module that increases the ships drone bandwidth. So for instance a ship that normally sent out 5 med. drones with a couple of these modules you can sent out 4 large drones for higher damage and survivability in null against rats.
Would something like this actually work? Firstly, why do these drones need to be used by other ships? If you want to use them, then learn to fly the ship that is designed to use them with. Secondly, no that wouldn't work in any case. In addition to 200 MBit/sec bandwidth, the drone has a volume of 200 m^3 (SiSi stats, so subject to change). That won't fit in the drone bay of regular mining barges or exhumers, etc. Think of it like the Gecko of mining drones. Big and uses lots of bandwidth, so limited in how many and what ships can use it. Not everything in the game needs to be usable by everyone. It's ok for things to be specialised. What's the point of mining drones that 99% of miners can't use? Most mining by far goes on in HS, we know that. So making a drone unusable in the main mining sector makes zero sense. Please don't start droning on about moving to null and buying a Rorqual either, I want 1k bandwidth and a 1k drone hold on my Exhumer.
You canniest things all you like. That's typical miner entitlement.
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Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
1293
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Posted - 2016.03.26 08:17:49 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:...
What's the point of mining drones that 99% of miners can't use?
Most mining by far goes on in HS, we know that. So making a drone unusable in the main mining sector makes zero sense.
Please don't start droning on about moving to null and buying a Rorqual either, I want 1k bandwidth and a 1k drone hold on my Exhumer.
I HAVE LOCATED THE CANCER!
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
4952
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Posted - 2016.03.26 11:25:17 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:You idiots.
The idea is to get out of hisec, not beg for awesome null ships to be used in it.
I can just see all the rorquals undocking 1 minute after downtime to hoover up hisec belts with fleets of alt exhumers.
F##### stupid.
Ugh, breathing through my mouth here, my disgust can really only be expressed with interpretive dance.
As I said, the Rorqual could be balanced to be a one-pilot equivalent to freighter alt + boost Orca alt. It would not break things (one more Skiff per multiboxer) and would provide a nice reward for really dedicated and wealthy miners.
That would have a positive impact in way, way, WAY MORE players than whatever stupidity is planning CCP for the enjoyment of nullsec miners who would rather afford a Rorqual and 5 Excavator drones than 2 Hulks...
...but then we're in the Rubicon era, were cool guys get the shiny toys and actual miners get a middle finger.
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Oxide Ammar
238
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Posted - 2016.03.26 13:07:22 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Drago Shouna wrote:...
What's the point of mining drones that 99% of miners can't use?
Most mining by far goes on in HS, we know that. So making a drone unusable in the main mining sector makes zero sense.
Please don't start droning on about moving to null and buying a Rorqual either, I want 1k bandwidth and a 1k drone hold on my Exhumer. I HAVE LOCATED THE CANCER!
Too much roleplaying, tune it down.
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Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
1296
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Posted - 2016.03.26 16:05:54 -
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Oxide Ammar wrote:...
I get sh4t on in hisec.
Get out of hisec.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
13821
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Posted - 2016.03.26 16:42:04 -
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Standard high sec greed and selfishness on display. "If we can't have it, no one should", it literally doesn't matter to them that it's their own supreme advantage ( CONCORD protection) that is the reason they can't have capital ships (and these new drones), because capitals that could mine or fight in high sec while protected by CONCORD would be the most broken thing in the history of EVE.
If you want to use capital ships, leave the safety of the 14% of EVE that has CONCORD. If 86% of New Eden to use as a play ground isn't enough for you types, you simply can't be helped. |
Oxide Ammar
238
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Posted - 2016.03.26 20:38:53 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Standard high sec greed and selfishness on display. "If we can't have it, no one should", it literally doesn't matter to them that it's their own supreme advantage ( CONCORD protection) that is the reason they can't have capital ships (and these new drones), because capitals that could mine or fight in high sec while protected by CONCORD would be the most broken thing in the history of EVE.
If you want to use capital ships, leave the safety of the 14% of EVE that has CONCORD. If 86% of New Eden to use as a play ground isn't enough for you types, you simply can't be helped.
Oh your post reminds me about something ....can't remember...something sacred to EVE players ...Hmmm...A taboo you can't talking about it or request it...
Ah I remember now, buying SP for ISK...you want me to dig some old threads request that have been all answered by big "NO" ?
Lady Areola Fappington: -áSolo PVP isn't dead!-á You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.
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