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Diamond Valen
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Posted - 2007.02.12 13:08:00 -
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Realy a great game, the graphics are fantastic and its fun to play but....
The missions are more bugged than the garden of my mothers house.
Already two missions i couldnt complete cause it wasnt possible wich caused my reputation to drop into the deepest deeps. Now i am that scared to take anymore missions that i will stay away from any agent cause i never can be sure that the next mission wont be an "autofail" mission, too.
I already posted that as bugreport but..
Be carefull when contacting the agent Kara Takin auf Caldari Station.
First go to an undefended stargate and eliminate pirates there (all stargates there are ultra heavily guarded and no signs of any pirat)
Second drop a load of 40 Textils outside a spacestation, the owners of the station will take care of the load than (lol no way, i droped it, than returned to Kara, 3 stargates away to get my payment, only to discover that i still have to deliver the load (wich i droped and lost))
I am done with missions
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Wotar
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Posted - 2007.02.12 13:14:00 -
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PEBCAC
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 12/02/2007 13:12:47
 Originally by: Diamond Valen
Realy a great game, the graphics are fantastic and its fun to play but....
The missions are more bugged than the garden of my mothers house.
Already two missions i couldnt complete cause it wasnt possible wich caused my reputation to drop into the deepest deeps. Now i am that scared to take anymore missions that i will stay away from any agent cause i never can be sure that the next mission wont be an "autofail" mission, too.
I already posted that as bugreport but..
Be carefull when contacting the agent Kara Takin auf Caldari Station.
First go to an undefended stargate and eliminate pirates there (all stargates there are ultra heavily guarded and no signs of any pirat)
Second drop a load of 40 Textils outside a spacestation, the owners of the station will take care of the load than (lol no way, i droped it, than returned to Kara, 3 stargates away to get my payment, only to discover that i still have to deliver the load (wich i droped and lost))
I am done with missions
I don't know how by ANY means you could get so confused.
1)For transport missions You have to drop the items into the station items hanger. Honestly i've never heard of anyone getting confused and dropping it outside station.
2)It's probebly a mission where you have to go to a stargate that's not listed normally. I know it's a bit confusing but when you want to do a battle mission you have to open up your People & Places "2nd from top", then the places tab within it. There should be folder that lists the importaint Bookmarks for that mission, warp to them to do your mission.
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Mog Carns
Gallente
Industrial Warlords
United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.12 13:17:00 -
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You needed to warp to the specific, non functioning warp gate that the mission specified. Usually, you right click in empty space and it will be at the very bottom (Deadspace).
I am pretty sure they wanted you to drop the stuff off AT the station... not outside it.
You can always check by opening your journal and seeing if the mission updated. However, I am not sure couriers update... you just have to start a remote conversation with the agent and see if he pays. Many kill missions will upate to complete when the can pops, but if you fail to loot the can and bring back the item he specified, he will not pay up.
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Daftex Muleson
Minmatar
UNITED KINGDOM MAYHEM
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Posted - 2007.02.12 13:21:00 -
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Yea...if you have to deliver a package, dock in the station and dump the cargo in the station hanger. Don't think any mission needs cargo dumped outside!
Also, make sure you are at the right station. I did a mission the other day which I couldn't finish. Took me a while to realise there were two stations with the same name in the system....I was at the wrong one! In that case, you need to check which Planet/Moon is listed in the drop-off station name.
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Diamond Valen
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Posted - 2007.02.12 13:30:00 -
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I traveld to the station wich was added to my box of people and places, and it was written in the missions details "drop the load outside the station" sorry but i am new to this game and that missions are beginner quest, even when it seems strange to me, i cant know how this game works, it could have be that there really flys ships around outside to search for a cargo container as soon as i drop a specific load.
How can i know that?
That mission objective reminded me to the part in the tutorial where the AI tells me to drop my load to show me what happens and so i did it.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2007.02.12 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Diamond Valen
I traveld to the station wich was added to my box of people and places, and it was written in the missions details "drop the load outside the station" sorry but i am new to this game and that missions are beginner quest, even when it seems strange to me, i cant know how this game works, it could have be that there really flys ships around outside to search for a cargo container as soon as i drop a specific load.
How can i know that?
That mission objective reminded me to the part in the tutorial where the AI tells me to drop my load to show me what happens and so i did it.
Do you have the name of the mission? It'd be very usefull to know.
If you don't know what the name of the mission was, you can go to your character sheet, go to "standings" and right-click on the entry for the corporation which you lost standings with. It will then show standing changes per mission, and the mission name.
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 12/02/2007 13:37:29
Originally by: Diamond Valen
I traveld to the station wich was added to my box of people and places, and it was written in the missions details "drop the load outside the station" sorry but i am new to this game and that missions are beginner quest, even when it seems strange to me, i cant know how this game works, it could have be that there really flys ships around outside to search for a cargo container as soon as i drop a specific load.
How can i know that?
That mission objective reminded me to the part in the tutorial where the AI tells me to drop my load to show me what happens and so i did it.
In my 7-8 months of eve "much time spent helping new players" I have never heard of anyone having that problem. In the bookmark it says "Drop off" it doesnt' say anything about eject, or jettison. it means drop it off inside the station X-/.
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Asestorian
Minmatar
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.12 13:51:00 -
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Yeah I've been playing EVE for 3 years now, and often come to this forum and help out newer players but this is the first time I've ever heard of someone dropping something outside the station instead of inside it 
Though I have heard of people getting confused about the stargate. This is mostly because it seems a lot of people don't use the R-Click menu, or don't look at it properly (but damn I couldn't live without it) so they never notice the bookmarks they have to go to. EVE is far less confusing that it was when I started playing and, not to say you're and idiot or anything, but, most people never had a problem with this stuff back then, and there wasn't really even a tutorial 
As the game has progressed on and the tutorials and instructions have become easier and clearer, more and more people are having problems like this? It's strange. I suppose I could put it down to people coming from other games, and sticking within the mindset they used for those games, where thinking isn't always required, so they stop bothering to try and do it when playing the game, even if they are perfectly able to do it at all other times. I'll give you a hint to keep in mind now, you must always always use your brain, and common sense when playing EVE. Nothing is going to be spelled out for you, no one will be there to hold your hand all the way with everything you do.
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Diamond Valen
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:10:00 -
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Mission "save the children"
And it seems strange to me, too to drop cargo outside but not more than search a stargate wich isnt visible in the starmap.
Dont tell me i have to use my brain, when i learned something at all the different computer games i played yet, than that every game has its own limits and possibilites, so something wich would be not to think about at one game could be quiet common at another. How can i "use my brain" to challenge a situation wich seems strange in a game wich is completly new to me and cause of that i have no information what is completly impossible?
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Diamond Valen
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:10:00 -
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Well than i am sorry for this whole topic i wished i hadnt post it, if a moderator could please delete it. The only bug here seems to be me...
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:35:00 -
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Don't be too hard on yourself, you can't know everything when you're new to a game :)
Just remember that courier missions always require you to bring stuff from on stations hangar to another stations hanger, and that whenever you get an encounter/kill mission, there'll be a bookmark (accessible via right-click once you're in the correct system) to warp to. If you do that you'll be fine for pretty much any mission.
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Asestorian
Minmatar
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:48:00 -
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I don't wish to imply that you are dumb. I just find it odd, and the only thing I can think of is that influences from other games are affecting your judgement and thoughts on playing this one. Most MMOs are similar in most ways. These are the way things like quests work and how you level up etc. But in EVE none of these things exist, or do not exist in a way that is similar, and I have found that those with the most trouble are those who are playing EVE after playing at least one other MMO for a reasonable period of time.
When I started EVE I had never played another MMO before, and my mind was entirely open to everything it said. I had no preconceptions of what it would be like or how to do things. So even with the most limited of tutorials I managed to absorb a lot of stuff quickly: mostly by reading everything very very carefully, and of course asking questions at all times. (Something which unfortunately can be a little difficult for newer players, as the community has grown, and has taken on a few people with.. less desirable levels of intelligence.)
When I say "use your brain", I mean that you have to pay attention to everything, you have to read everything very carefully, then read it again and ask questions if you are still not sure. You must also learn from every mistake you make. For instance in this case, you failed the missions, you have now asked questions (with a bit of whining too  ) so you should go back into the game and use this new knowledge to do other missions. Pretty much every mission you get will come around again at some point.
If you think like this, trying again and again, using the knowledge of other players to help you, you will be able to do pretty well for yourself in EVE. If you sit on your own and whine about everything that goes wrong, then you won't get very far, and end up finding EVE rather frustrating and boring.
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Nigh7F0x
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:43:00 -
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Don't forget that the developers aren't from the US or necessarily speak great English so some of the text is rather comical to read. Sometimes things are written in the game to directly reflect how they are written in the codes/equations (ie show info stats don't always make sense...-30% increase to damage resists...etc)
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system crashes
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:26:00 -
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One thing no one mentioned, is that after you accept a mission, your "journal" button on the left side of the screen has a list of all current missions. Not only can you right-click and read the details, but the details are usually more accurate than the original description - AND - it also has direct warp-to points. I normally just leave the details up on screen until I arrive at the mission start (for combat), or destination station (courier).
I never muss around with the overview or other stuff, as it's all there....
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Tayvar Tal
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:49:00 -
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Maybe there is an agent orbiting the station that you were supposed to give it to?
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Diamond Valen
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Posted - 2007.02.13 01:51:00 -
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I was so happy that i could get that Stargate pirate mission again from another agent, after i found another tutorial agent on different station...
but then as i reached the location, that baddies shoted 25 % of my Bantams hull to dust in one single blast and there were 5 of them, i could barly escape with a warpjump, i never had such a battle.
Is the Bantam the wrong ship for battlemissions, is it my equipment, my skills or is the missionlevel simply to high.
Is there no missionlevel limitation, based on the skillevels of the player or something like that?
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Pellaeon DuGalle
Caldari
Deep Black Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.13 02:35:00 -
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Edited by: Pellaeon DuGalle on 13/02/2007 02:33:53
A bantam is a mining ship, NOT a combat ship. Shooty = dead bantam. For Caldari, I'd advide a kestrel or a Merlin. A condor will do if you're short on money.
When you're looking at a ship, right click on it and choose "show info". Look under description tab, and it'll tell you ship bonuses. These bonuses will give you a clue as to what the ship is designed to do.
edit: make sure you're doing lvl1 agents. The agent level will be displayed in roman numerals when you look at then in station.
Give you're new, I'd expect you can only use lvl1 agents anyway, so don't worry about accidentally getting a high lvl mission.
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Posted - 2007.02.13 03:54:00 -
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Noone else seems to pick it up, but I somehow get the idea the OP is not a native English speaker either. Hope that doesn't offend.
Put that together with a game which is not always totally clear in its instructions, and is very complicated, and cut her a break.
There will be some frustrations. Missions will get kind of tedious and repetitive after a while and you will start to see the same ones over and over, but they are not that buggy really. You should probably be a little patient and give yourself time to get the hang of them before giving up on them.
They give some benefits - corp standing so you can do research, jump clones, a way to make ISK that is at least more interesting than mining, implants and other rewards - you might regret giving up on them because of a bad start.
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Diamond Valen
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Posted - 2007.02.13 04:58:00 -
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Thats right, i am from germany, and i dont give up cause of difficults in game, the only reason for me to leave a game is when i simply dont like it or when the community or administration seems to difficult, wich is not even nearly the case here. ;) Great game and cool players.
Thanks for all the help yet and in future^^
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ApaKaka
Minmatar
Fippel And Trixx
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Posted - 2007.02.13 12:19:00 -
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Hi, I was new to the game a while ago too, so I understand your frustration.
Your number 1 rule is: Nevermind the mission descriptions. They are undescriptive and never tell you what you have to do.
The other important parts are:
2. Always use the right-click menu. If you're in the wrong system, nothing will show up in your right-click menu, so that's not where your current mission is.
3. The only important part of the mission description (in your journal) is the yellow links. These show what system the mission is in (right click on them to set destination), what needs to be dropped off where and what needs to be brought from a mission after it is completed. (Many missions require you to get something from wrecks to bring to your agent, and then there's the courier missions in which you transport stuff from A->B)
For example:
Name of mission: Eliminate the pirate campers
System: Eystur
Everything else is just ambience, not important. After a while you don't even bother to read the long text, you just look at the name of the mission and the system where you do the mission and right-click to go there.
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Silmenel
Otaku Holdings
Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2007.02.13 13:30:00 -
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another thought ... although you're german speaking, don't play eve in german (just a guess that u do  )
i am german-speaking too and though the translations are not completely wrong, they are in fact misleading - i couldn't stand the german version for more than 10 minutes
i think you will manage fine with the english-version and if you need help in german - feel free to contact me
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Jaquline DeFern
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.13 13:42:00 -
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I'm also new to Eve (my first post actually).
I have finished the tutorial mission and bought my Bantam and starting to bring back small pieces of ore.
I have not yet done contacted the agent that the tutorial pointed me towards so I dont know what kind of missions he proposes. Is it advisble to first save money, put a notch up on the frigate skill and buy another vessal (say a Merlin) before trying his mission?
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Asestorian
Minmatar
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.13 14:22:00 -
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I believe the agent the tutorial points you towards should be perfectly doable in a rookie ship with a civilian shield booster.
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2007.02.13 14:32:00 -
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You may do those missions in rookie ship, but with better weapons, and use the drone bay capacity it has if you can.
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
Zephyr Enterprises Inc.
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.13 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jaquline DeFern
I'm also new to Eve (my first post actually).
I have finished the tutorial mission and bought my Bantam and starting to bring back small pieces of ore.
I have not yet done contacted the agent that the tutorial pointed me towards so I dont know what kind of missions he proposes. Is it advisble to first save money, put a notch up on the frigate skill and buy another vessal (say a Merlin) before trying his mission?
First off, agents do not give missions in any specific order, they pick a random mission and give it to you. This is different from the 'quests' in other games where a specific NPC will go through a progression of quests.
Second, that first agent is just a random agent that your tutotial agent picks. You are not required to go to that agent, you can go to any available agent.
Third, do not run missions in the bantam, it is a tin can with a big hold and shiny mining lasers. Get a merlin for lv 1 missions.
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Jaquline DeFern
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.13 14:47:00 -
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Hey this forum is really active. Thanks for all advice.
Guess I'm haul some more ore before attempting the missions (It would be nice to make the insurance bloodsuckers pay though...).
Unless i finally can move those 400 scanners i bought really cheap (or at least it seamed cheap  ). Anyone interested, 700 ISK and they all yours? 
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ApaKaka
Minmatar
Fippel And Trixx
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Posted - 2007.02.13 14:52:00 -
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Definitely buy the merlin.
I got "Worlds collide" as my first mission and that made short order of my pesky newbie minmatar reaper. (Of course, worlds collide makes short order of most frigates when you're new, but I didn't know that then ;))
So I went back and did the tutorial rats for isk and bought myself a pimped out frigate - the loot they drop generally sell for good isk if you manage to be faster than other players at getting it.
I was certainly faster than mining in the newbie frig.
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2007.02.13 15:02:00 -
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Merlin or Kestrel...
The Kestrel is an all-missiles ship, and its defenses are better than the Bantam but still require good Engineering skills (for powergrid, for shields). It's very nice if you started in the special ops path, because that gives you bonuses to missiles, which the Kestrel uses.
The Merlin uses hybrids and missiles, and has better shields and a better powergrid by default, than the Kestrel. Thus, if you don't have good missile skills and don't have good Engineering skills, it's a better ship for combat.
Bantam is a mining ship. Condor is a light attack ship; it's as cheap as the Bantam, and will survive better in combat (but not as well as the Kestrel or Merlin).
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Simon Jax
Gallente
Freedom Guard
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Posted - 2007.02.13 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Simon Jax on 13/02/2007 17:23:45
Don't feel too bad about jettisoning your passengers into the deep black cold of space. You're not the first new player to do so:
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