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Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:01:00 - [1] Edited by: Splagada on 12/02/2007 15:58:49 without commenting on the issue of bob/t20, i have with a friend, for soon a year, be in charge (and it's my fun) of building a corp, a group of players on the so called "leadership" (i call us slaves) point of view, it is always nice to see commitment from the members. people who generously put sweat and blood in the corp, or group, that's what makes the thing fun! we put our sweat and blood to make something different, to make a group run together, solving all the minor issues we can. on this incident, i was really shocked by that level of commitment, god! to risk your job for the group (he would have kept it to himself if he just wanted an advantage) actually i am jealous of what the leadership of BoB achieved there in their group spirit(heck, they didnt hypnotize him!), the ultimate fanboi who, on his own and without being asked, risks his job to make something like this! Not that i want to cheat lol, but just commenting on the "group spirit" that goes that far that people get over the edge. So what's the trick? drugs in the beer? :p For this, respect(even if at war :D ) ------
Biltic Creen Minmatar Deutsche Minen und Werke Guardian Federation	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:04:00 - [2] I guess the spirit comes from the people behind it. I have tried so much to motivate my corpmates, but i guess it's just a personal thing.
Jedek Caldari Infinite Limits	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:19:00 - [3] hopes GM's leave me 8 bpos in my stocking
Logi3 EVE Corporation 1631	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:26:00 - [4] I remember flying with Evolution before BoB and it was clear then they were a military power house with some good members and leadership. So, im not supprised in what BoB is today with those people in it. Shame whats happened with CCP because they will be tarnished with that brush now.

Ivan Kirilenkov Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:34:00 - [5] Please keep the discussion about leadership and motivation and how ones does that; which I gather is OP's topic, and not about the what's, the how's and if what happened lately was right/wrong and/or related topics to the recent turmoil. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website

Drakma Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:35:00 - [6] Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov Please keep the discussion about leadership and motivation and how ones does that; which I gather is OP's topic, and not about the what's, the how's and if what happened lately was right/wrong and/or related topics to the recent turmoil. I love you Ivan, will you marry me? ----------------- Gekidoku is recruiting
Dotar Sojat Reality Check	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:46:00 - [7] Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov Please keep the discussion about leadership and motivation and how ones does that; which I gather is OP's topic, and not about the what's, the how's and if what happened lately was right/wrong and/or related topics to the recent turmoil. This in no way describes a level of commitment to his corp, it does however display a decided lack of commitment to his real life family. Please don't place this criminal on a pedestal, his actions were in no way something to be admired and his apology was motivated by fear of losing his job and not remorse for his actions, had he not been caught he would never have stepped forward. If this post does not conform to the above outlined attempt at controlling the free exchange of opinions that are the basis of forums in the first place, please feel free to exercise the typical "delete post" option response many forum gestapo here are so fond of.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:05:00 - [8] Edited by: Splagada on 12/02/2007 17:01:37 Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov Please keep the discussion about leadership and motivation and how ones does that; which I gather is OP's topic, and not about the what's, the how's and if what happened lately was right/wrong and/or related topics to the recent turmoil. Thanks for understanding the point! that's exactly this. jealous and envy, yes! not of their wealth and anything. but the "army spirit", or the "brother" kind of things that just proves that if you resetted the whole db and put everyone at 0sp, in the end they would still be there :p edit : thread moved lol. i would have kept it in genereal discussion, as it IS an apolitical thread... ------
Torshin TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:08:00 - [9] Originally by: Dotar Sojat please feel free to exercise the typical "delete post" option response many forum gestapo here are so fond of. Do not dare to compare the moderation of a forum to the brutality of the gestapo. ----------------------------------------------- Offical Tardz Poo-litical Anal-yst
Exelsior Colossus Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:39:00 - [10] Edited by: Exelsior on 12/02/2007 17:36:25 Originally by: Dotar Sojat please feel free to exercise the typical "delete post" option response many forum gestapo here are so fond of. You know I don't often say this but you are really a god damned....ok i won't say it. But go get a history lesson, and get some manners, and a clue too. How the hell do you make a parallel between a VIRTUAL forum which is actually relatively liberal given the behaviour of most people here, and the gestapo who killed MILLIONS of people in real life? Are you completely insane?
Exelsior Colossus Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:40:00 - [11] Originally by: Drakma Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov Please keep the discussion about leadership and motivation and how ones does that; which I gather is OP's topic, and not about the what's, the how's and if what happened lately was right/wrong and/or related topics to the recent turmoil. I love you Ivan, will you marry me? Any space for one more?
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:49:00 - [12] Originally by: Splagada actually i am jealous of what the leadership of BoB achieved there in their group spirit(heck, they didnt hypnotize him!), the ultimate fanboi who, on his own and without being asked, risks his job to make something like this! Dude that's not BoB's doing, it's t20's weak character. He'd have cheated in whatever group he ended up at sooner or later, maybe even much much sooner if said group wasn't as efficient as BoB
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:16:00 - [13] Edited by: Mitch Taylor on 12/02/2007 19:14:34 Edited by: Mitch Taylor on 12/02/2007 19:14:08 Im biased towards to bob on this one, but I want to make a few points. I read an interview on an external website with someone from goonfleet leadership. He said that he would never except a gift of a BPO from a character in his corp. This got me thinking about the reality of the situation. Someone joins my corp, someone is an active member knows his stuff seems quite intelligent. Builds a relationship with me, then offers me a BPO that he acquired. Would I really ask him lots of questions? Would I really demand to know if he was a dev, or a hacker? Would I? Or would I trust my friend and accept the gift? It is BOBs leadership as the Op suggests that made the forged the relationships and enabled these events to transpire. I believe it is their leadership/friendship that would lead them to un-willingly get involved in something untoward. I may be wrong, but it has to be said. I believe all the people ranting on here about this issue are not ranting purely relating to the subject. They simply do not like BOB and this is a vessel for them to vent their frustration and a pinch of jealousy. Much love <3 Dark-Rising
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:30:00 - [14] i know as a fact that it is very difficult for a single player to effectively profit from any T2 bpo. the investment is quite huge if you want to really go in mass production. it would at least require some serious trading skills, at best some moon mining. so while i wouldnt accept it as a "gift" id be happy to use it for corp production. but well the line between "i hold it in hangar, locked" and "i own it" is really thin :/ the use matters eh ------
Dracolich North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.02.12 20:01:00 - [15] Originally by: Dotar Sojat This in no way describes a level of commitment to his corp, it does however display a decided lack of commitment to his real life family. Please don't place this criminal on a pedestal, his actions were in no way something to be admired and his apology was motivated by fear of losing his job and not remorse for his actions, had he not been caught he would never have stepped forward. If this post does not conform to the above outlined attempt at controlling the free exchange of opinions that are the basis of forums in the first place, please feel free to exercise the typical "delete post" option response many forum gestapo here are so fond of. I don't necessary disagree with you concerning t20, but OP was congratulating BoB leadership for their incredible spirit boosting abilities.
dan drorgar Minmatar principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.12 20:18:00 - [16] It's easy to rally support from your members when you can offer them to play the game in cheat mode. PROMO Director of Not Speaking For My Alliance.
Triderious Caldari SniggWaffe	Posted - 2007.02.12 20:58:00 - [17] Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov Please keep the discussion about leadership and motivation and how ones does that; which I gather is OP's topic, and not about the what's, the how's and if what happened lately was right/wrong and/or related topics to the recent turmoil. Oh no we wouldn't what to discuss anything like that? You would hate for anyone to bring up what you have so deftly swept under the rug. So which char in bob is yours? Gain Access to 0.0! Join us today
Dotar Sojat Reality Check	Posted - 2007.02.12 21:46:00 - [18] It was a metaphor, what's in your closet? BTW I'm a military history buff, manners on a forum is rather oxy moronic and all my clues came from my service in the U.S. military. p.s. Ivan I think they went a little off topic, tighten up there bubba.
Rudy Metallo Minmatar G.H.O.S.T	Posted - 2007.02.12 22:02:00 - [19] Counter-question. Is it group spirit or over-competitiveness (if thats a word).
Faith Black Minmatar Rolls Roids	Posted - 2007.02.12 22:10:00 - [20] Edited by: Faith Black on 12/02/2007 22:07:17 Looks like some people seem to have never heard of communistic corp models or of directors in more capitalistic corps, who put billions from their personal wallets into the corp over months or years that they are unlikely to get back. They just do it, because they value the corp and the people they play with higher than everything else. They want to reach goals with their mates, the rest doesn't matter much. ------ Who wants to be Caldari, if he could be 1337 instead ? Minnie 4tw ! ^^
Torshin TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.02.12 22:59:00 - [21] Originally by: Dotar Sojat It was a metaphor, what's in your closet? BTW I'm a military history buff, manners on a forum is rather oxy moronic and all my clues came from my service in the U.S. military. p.s. Ivan I think they went a little off topic, tighten up there bubba. you compaired the mods of the forums to the gestapo, even if that is a metaphor it doesn't make it right, and don't try to cover up your anti-semitic remarks with the fact that you are a "history buff" Offical Tardz Poo-litical Anal-yst
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:04:00 - [22] Originally by: Torshin Originally by: Dotar Sojat It was a metaphor, what's in your closet? BTW I'm a military history buff, manners on a forum is rather oxy moronic and all my clues came from my service in the U.S. military. p.s. Ivan I think they went a little off topic, tighten up there bubba. you compaired the mods of the forums to the gestapo, even if that is a metaphor it doesn't make it right, and don't try to cover up your anti-semitic remarks with the fact that you are a "history buff" dude please chill out the guys comment about the gestapo was in no way anti-semitic. dont be overloy sensetive. *Before complaining about any ship try flying Minmatar*
Tod Klemp Gallente K-Street Project	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Triderious Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov Please keep the discussion about leadership and motivation and how ones does that; which I gather is OP's topic, and not about the what's, the how's and if what happened lately was right/wrong and/or related topics to the recent turmoil. Oh no we wouldn't what to discuss anything like that? You would hate for anyone to bring up what you have so deftly swept under the rug. So which char in bob is yours? Yes, becaue a 103 page thread, plus coutless others is sweeping it under the rug. Speaking of which, Snig should really be shutting up on the forums. As the hackr/blackmaier/permabanned guy was in your corp. You guys are no saints!
Kelron Neesna Diligent Souls	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:11:00 - [24] Edited by: Kelron Neesna on 13/02/2007 00:10:02 Originally by: slothe Originally by: Torshin Originally by: Dotar Sojat It was a metaphor, what's in your closet? BTW I'm a military history buff, manners on a forum is rather oxy moronic and all my clues came from my service in the U.S. military. p.s. Ivan I think they went a little off topic, tighten up there bubba. you compaired the mods of the forums to the gestapo, even if that is a metaphor it doesn't make it right, and don't try to cover up your anti-semitic remarks with the fact that you are a "history buff" dude please chill out the guys comment about the gestapo was in no way anti-semitic. dont be overloy sensetive. In today's age, I don't think that it's being over-sensitive. The younger generations just don't have an appreciation for history. People calling each other "forum-****s" or other things... flat out calling people the gestapo, etc. People should respect the past and not use such hateful words in a way that makes them any "less" hurtful. The same for the "Mullacaust" signatures going around the forums. The people using those signatures need to have them removed, or give them a temp forum ban. Relating something so miniscule and pathetic as in game events to the attrocious events of the Hollocaust is absolutely and totally uncalled for and UNSENSITIVE. But then again, the people using them ARE mostly Goonswarm, so I guess it's ok for such degenterates to use those images. on the topic... I agree. BoB's success is completely based on the awesome leadership they have. Any Alliance that had the skill and cooperation that they have would also acheive amazing feats.
Empyre ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:51:00 - [25] personally, i had to grow to like BoB. at first i didn't understand and just thought they were out for world domination.. er, universe domination. but that's not true or they'd hold all of 0.0. while i still have no idea what their overall goal(s) are, i've learned to respect that they 1) HAVE goals and 2) have the collective willpower to see them through. the fact they pick and choose their battles, state their intentions (if they so desire), execute them and then follow them up with fact-based reports leaves little room for controversy (at least in their everyday operations, present incidents aside). to me, it seems their key to success is simple.. they all work together for a common goal, whatever that may be at the time. i'm still pretty young in game (almost a year and a half now) but the failures i've seen so far, both on a personal and alliance level, have been a failure that almost always comes down to this simple thing. this is important for every member of a corp AND alliance to succeed. you can make a lot of money and buy lots of neat toys, but you'll really have to learn to work with folks to do the bigger things. as long as there is well thought out, clear and precise decision-making at the upper levels and the motivation and responsibility to do the work at the lower levels, anything can be achieved.. but EVERYONE has to play their part. this holds true to a lesser extent, but still so in real life IMO. just my 2 isk. People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue.
charlie delta Minmatar Ponymen of Perdition Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.13 01:21:00 - [26] Originally by: Kelron Neesna you compaired the mods of the forums to the gestapo, even if that is a metaphor it doesn't make it right, and don't try to cover up your anti-semitic remarks with the fact that you are a "history buff" dude please chill out the guys comment about the gestapo was in no way anti-semitic. dont be overloy sensetive. In today's age, I don't think that it's being over-sensitive. The younger generations just don't have an appreciation for history. People calling each other "forum-****s" or other things... flat out calling people the gestapo, etc. People should respect the past and not use such hateful words in a way that makes them any "less" hurtful. The same for the "Mullacaust" signatures going around the forums. The people using those signatures need to have them removed, or give them a temp forum ban. Relating something so miniscule and pathetic as in game events to the attrocious events of the Hollocaust is absolutely and totally uncalled for and UNSENSITIVE. But then again, the people using them ARE mostly Goonswarm, so I guess it's ok for such degenterates to use those images. Problem with that type of thinking is, for me, I did not take reference to the 'gestapo' with any omg im going to sob feeling. It means nothing to me. It may mean something to other people, but where do you draw the line? I could argue that female toons portraits are offensive to muslim people. Some far flung tribe in africa may take offense at the word 'beans' or something. Unless you know everything about every country/religion/culture how do you know what offends and what doesnt? This is a game forum, and i think that the use of the word gestapo was indeed a metaphor and would be taken as such by the majority of people. I did not feel that that the poster in any way justified the gestapo as being good or indeed say anything about the gestapo itself. Yes people could use other terms and probably wise just to stop 'overly sensitive' people from cying a river. However i feel that if a game forum becomes so moderated that people cannot use metaphors as they may offend someone out there is pretty lame. See now someone may have had their favourite pet horse once and it become lame and caused them much distress. By my comment just made and using that word has now caused them to jump up and down fuming. So where do you draw the line? And does a word that strikes feeling into people should not be used based on the number of people affected or how politically correct the statement is deemed to the current culture? While no doubt you could say the actual gestapo was seen as bad through time. In the eyes say of a middle eastern person at the moment, the 1st coallition infantry division may have the same 'horror' feeling to them. So do you outlaw the use of those such words? Im sure many afgans would not like to hear the word 'russians' and visa versa. In other words, keep the stupid politics out of this forum and take a metaphor exactly as that.. a metaphor.. jeez..
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.13 02:38:00 - [27] Originally by: Kelron Neesna In today's age, I don't think that it's being over-sensitive. The younger generations just don't have an appreciation for history. People calling each other "forum-**s" or other things... flat out calling people the gestapo, etc. People should respect the past and not use such hateful words in a way that makes them any "less" hurtful. The same for the "Mullacaust" signatures going around the forums. The people using those signatures need to have them removed, or give them a temp forum ban. Relating something so miniscule and pathetic as in game events to the attrocious events of the Hollocaust is absolutely and totally uncalled for and UNSENSITIVE. But then again, the people using them ARE mostly Goonswarm, so I guess it's ok for such degenterates to use those images. on the topic... I agree. BoB's success is completely based on the awesome leadership they have. Any Alliance that had the skill and cooperation that they have would also acheive amazing feats. if it was called the pretty pink pony war it would be petitioned anyways. Who cares, you're too easily offended. none of these signatures make any mention of jews or germany or anything related to THE holocaust. Originally by:** Tod Klemp Yes, becaue a 103 page thread, plus coutless others is sweeping it under the rug. Speaking of which, Snig should really be shutting up on the forums. As the hackr/blackmaier/permabanned guy was in your corp. You guys are no saints! i dunno, i feel kind of proud to be in the same corp GIVE ME BACK MY EXCLAMATION MARK PORTRAIT :( :( :( :( :( :(

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.02.13 13:15:00 - [28] O.k this thread has not gone anywhere, so going to lock it before it gets further into the dev misconduct thing. click. - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| Email us \| Wikipedia Entry They call me "Hutch" because my name is well... long


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