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evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:32:00 - [1] http://www.times-olympics.co.uk/historyheroes/stgbo16.html I would like to ask that the people please read the thread before posting. In light of recent events I have to ask, how will the damage be repaired. In the above case, LINFORD CHRISTIE was strip of his medal for a drug test in which he failed. The events here while sad prove that whether the person cheated or not, the titles and achievements earned through it had to be removed, since it was done so unjustly. In the end CCP decision is their decision, but I would like to ask, would there me any similar action? No one likes the repercussions of it, but something needs to happen in order to resolve the suitation, if not from a gamming stand point but from a public relations one. ----------- Management and Leadership
SPQRMocton Minmatar Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:33:00 - [2] Destroy bob all opinoins expressed by me are MINE and do not reflect anyone elses opinion
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:36:00 - [3] NO to destory Bob is unreasonable. BoB has being around much longer than the start of the incident in question. If anything along these lines it should be return to pre-incident days. If we follow that line of thought. ----------- Management and Leadership
Popsikle Caffeine Commodities Company	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:37:00 - [4] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=474697&page=6#169 Kill all of them, really, thats the only option. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:38:00 - [5] Originally by: evistin In the end CCP decision is their decision, but I would like to ask, would there me any similar action? No one likes the repercussions of it, but something needs to happen in order to resolve the suitation, if not from a gamming stand point but from a public relations one. Did you miss the part where CCP took back the illegally acquired Bpos? ----- $Forum + $Bob + $Devs == $ForumPostCount+++++;
SPQRMocton Minmatar Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:39:00 - [6] NO ! utter destruction is called for if one of the largest alliances in eve gets destoyed for the their getting caught with a cheater in their midst MAYBE in the future the corps will question when a member suddenly has 10 ! new bpo's to GIVE to the corp! all opinoins expressed by me are MINE and do not reflect anyone elses opinion
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:40:00 - [7] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: evistin In the end CCP decision is their decision, but I would like to ask, would there me any similar action? No one likes the repercussions of it, but something needs to happen in order to resolve the suitation, if not from a gamming stand point but from a public relations one. Did you miss the part where CCP took back the illegally acquired Bpos? Did you miss the part where they didnt untill the community knew about it? Stay out of my sig, it's not funny. Thanks for proving my point.
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:40:00 - [8] While the players may extract their own justic as they see fit, I am asking what should CCP do. Its a tough call, they cannot risk alienating one of the largest and biggest collections of season players in the game. ----------- Management and Leadership
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:41:00 - [9] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: evistin In the end CCP decision is their decision, but I would like to ask, would there me any similar action? No one likes the repercussions of it, but something needs to happen in order to resolve the suitation, if not from a gamming stand point but from a public relations one. Did you miss the part where CCP took back the illegally acquired Bpos? Did you miss the part where they didnt untill the community knew about it? Not really, maybe we should just fire everyone at CCP. Yeah thats a good way of repairing the damage... oh wait... ----- $Forum + $Bob + $Devs == $ForumPostCount+++++;
Aurel Senia The Fayth	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:41:00 - [10] Originally by: SPQRMocton NO ! utter destruction is called for if one of the largest alliances in eve gets destoyed for the their getting caught with a cheater in their midst MAYBE in the future the corps will question when a member suddenly has 10 ! new bpo's to GIVE to the corp! Do you actually think before you type, or does it all come out in some sort of uncontrollable spasm of idiocy? I hear they make medication for that.
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:42:00 - [11] Noone (With a decent level of IQ) is suggesting to fire T20. OR fire any other Devs for that matter. What i am wondering though, is why they were not removed earlier. Is that unreasonable? Stay out of my sig, it's not funny. Thanks for proving my point.
nickycakes Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:42:00 - [12] the only way to repair the damage is with more eve-o threads, obviously Rarely Outnumbered, Usually Outgunned, Never Outsmacked
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:43:00 - [13] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Noone (With a decent level of IQ) is suggesting to fire T20. OR fire any other Devs for that matter. What i am wondering though, is why they were not removed earlier. Is that unreasonable? Well you're right there, when they found out in June they should have done so back then. Not much that can be done about that now though. ----- $Forum + $Bob + $Devs == $ForumPostCount+++++;
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:43:00 - [14] Originally by: nickycakes the only way to repair the damage is with more eve-o threads, obviously Says the guy posting in every single one of them. Stay out of my sig, it's not funny. Thanks for proving my point.
Exelsior Colossus Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:44:00 - [15] Edited by: Exelsior on 12/02/2007 17:40:48 Originally by: SPQRMocton NO ! utter destruction is called for if one of the largest alliances in eve gets destoyed for the their getting caught with a cheater in their midst MAYBE in the future the corps will question when a member suddenly has 10 ! new bpo's to GIVE to the corp! Why do you have to be so extreme about everything? If you suggest obscene courses of action, no one will listen to you. The only way to get some attention which will fruit into action is by suggesting doable actions. But then again it was never about achieving a goal such as "Justice" but more about the attention part. Edit: Arg i need to type better.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:44:00 - [16] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 12/02/2007 17:40:41 Originally by: nickycakes the only way to repair the damage is with more eve-o threads, obviously I concur, Calvert and Dark Shakiri still outrank me on the Whorum top 100Ö. ----- $Forum + $Bob + $Devs == $ForumPostCount+++++;
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: evistin In the end CCP decision is their decision, but I would like to ask, would there me any similar action? No one likes the repercussions of it, but something needs to happen in order to resolve the suitation, if not from a gamming stand point but from a public relations one. Did you miss the part where CCP took back the illegally acquired Bpos? Did you miss the part where they didnt untill the community knew about it? Hahahahaha, made my day :D 3> Elve - BH
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:44:00 - [18] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Elve Sorrow Noone (With a decent level of IQ) is suggesting to fire T20. OR fire any other Devs for that matter. What i am wondering though, is why they were not removed earlier. Is that unreasonable? Well you're right there, when they found out in June they should have done so back then. Not much that can be done about that now though. Agreed, they cannot change it. They can explain us the reasons behind their lack of action at that time though. Stay out of my sig, it's not funny. Thanks for proving my point.
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:44:00 - [19] Well then at least something to respond to the 8 months since the incident was discovered. ----------- Management and Leadership
elohllird Gallente Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:46:00 - [20] Yawn
Prydeless Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:46:00 - [21] And also why Sir Molle isnt banned for revealing rl info on the forums...
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:46:00 - [22] why do I love Elve in this thread? - BH
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:48:00 - [23] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: evistin In the end CCP decision is their decision, but I would like to ask, would there me any similar action? No one likes the repercussions of it, but something needs to happen in order to resolve the suitation, if not from a gamming stand point but from a public relations one. Did you miss the part where CCP took back the illegally acquired Bpos? the bob pet is strong in this one
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:48:00 - [24] Originally by: Dragerest Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: evistin In the end CCP decision is their decision, but I would like to ask, would there me any similar action? No one likes the repercussions of it, but something needs to happen in order to resolve the suitation, if not from a gamming stand point but from a public relations one. Did you miss the part where CCP took back the illegally acquired Bpos? the bob pet is strong in this one Indeed you speak the truth, oh Wise One - BH
Popsikle Caffeine Commodities Company	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:49:00 - [25] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Noone (With a decent level of IQ) is suggesting to fire T20. OR fire any other Devs for that matter. What i am wondering though, is why they were not removed earlier. Is that unreasonable? I think T20's toon was removed in june, and when t20 went he handed over a bunch of legitimate t2 bpos that weren't spawned, so nobody really knew if there was spawned BPO's mixed in. On top of that, if BoB didnt know they came form a dev toon, how do you tell an alliance you are taking back 6 tech2 BPO's because they guy who game them to you was a dev... Then BoB knows who the dev was, and maybe able to use that some how. Its a bit tricky IMO, if he gave the BPO's to BoB before he knew his toon was going to be erased. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
Fornacis Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Elve Sorrow Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: evistin In the end CCP decision is their decision, but I would like to ask, would there me any similar action? No one likes the repercussions of it, but something needs to happen in order to resolve the suitation, if not from a gamming stand point but from a public relations one. Did you miss the part where CCP took back the illegally acquired Bpos? Did you miss the part where they didnt untill the community knew about it? Not really, maybe we should just fire everyone at CCP. Yeah thats a good way of repairing the damage... oh wait... Wow, I can't believe all the negativity as of late, and I've been reading your posts for years Joshua...and a small example like this is what scares me about the future of this game. The community is what has made this game what it is, and its very unhealthy at the moment. I hope the community recovers soon....
Aurel Senia The Fayth	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:49:00 - [27] Originally by: Prydeless And also why Sir Molle isnt banned for revealing rl info on the forums... maybe if you cry some more about it, it'll happen. It's a tactic thats worked for you in the past, hasn't it?
Popsikle Caffeine Commodities Company	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Aberash lets put it this way, a lot of people are leaving the game because of this.. would you like to play counterstrike were people get away with using aimbots or speedhacks? would you like to play wow were people get uber items spawned for free whilst you grind for hours to earn them? Its not really alot of people. The majority of Eve subscribers are empire goers who dont read the forums.... So to say alot of eve is leaving is a bit overstatement dont ya think? __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
pylons38 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:52:00 - [29] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: evistin In the end CCP decision is their decision, but I would like to ask, would there me any similar action? No one likes the repercussions of it, but something needs to happen in order to resolve the suitation, if not from a gamming stand point but from a public relations one. Did you miss the part where CCP took back the illegally acquired Bpos? And how exactly do you know that those are all the BPOs he gave himself? "I'll add in the Sabre BPO to make it look like I'm being truthful. It'll work since it's worth quite a lot." According to the rules, he should be fired. Period.
SPQRMocton Minmatar Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:53:00 - [30] I think a good old fashioned asskickin will make everyone feel better. all opinoins expressed by me are MINE and do not reflect anyone elses opinion
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:53:00 - [31] Originally by: Popsikle I think T20's toon was removed in june, and when t20 went he handed over a bunch of legitimate t2 bpos that weren't spawned, so nobody really knew if there was spawned BPO's mixed in. Yea, that seems to be the gist of it. But im sure that if they can figure out 6 months down the line that BPO X was aquired illegally, they couldve done then too. Originally by: Popsikle On top of that, if BoB didnt know they came form a dev toon, how do you tell an alliance you are taking back 6 tech2 BPO's because they guy who game them to you was a dev... Then BoB knows who the dev was, and maybe able to use that some how. Irrelevant. The knowledge that once upon a time T20 was in BoB does nothing for them. His characters that were in RKK were obviously deleted, or renamed, history erased etc. Stay out of my sig, it's not funny. Thanks for proving my point.
DARK DAY Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:54:00 - [32] When ppl whining atm get back to WoW damage will be repeared. Sure, BoB member did use his advantage of BPO. Sure, BoB might have use his powers for some other scenarios. Sure, some thing might have been different if not. But this guy is just a man and based on human nature im 100% sure there were others Devs in different alliances using their powers sometimes in some scale. BoB was accused of cheating and Dev connection many times and have long history with that problem. So i bet CCP had their eyes on BoB lot MORE then on other suspicious alliances. That might be the reason why this t20 Dev didnt get better BPOs then the ones he took. And its cool for ppl gathering togather fighting "right couse" against "evil BoB". But it is F...U...K....I...N...G annoying watching these posts on e-o forums and abuse all CCP and every DEVS without other prrofs. Personly i would bann 80% of i...d..i...OTS and kick them back to idiotic games as WOW and let them whine there instead ruining this game day by day. Insulting all over without proof is fuking good reason for BANING. Insulting ppl that MADE THIS GAME THAT YOU ACTUALY PAY TO PLAY. If you are sick of this and honeslty beliave that scale of DEV cheating is so BIG....QUIT!!!!
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:55:00 - [33] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 12/02/2007 17:52:58 Originally by: Fornacis Wow, I can't believe all the negativity as of late, and I've been reading your posts for years Joshua...and a small example like this is what scares me about the future of this game. The community is what has made this game what it is, and its very unhealthy at the moment. I hope the community recovers soon.... I'm negative? I figured not firing devs would be a positive thing Originally by: pylons38 And how exactly do you know that those are all the BPOs he gave himself? "I'll add in the Sabre BPO to make it look like I'm being truthful. It'll work since it's worth quite a lot." Because i take CCP's word for it. Maybe im wrong, maybe im not. Either way i wont lose much sleep over it. ----- $Forum + $Bob + $Devs == $ForumPostCount+++++;
Adril Alatar Minmatar Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:58:00 - [34] Originally by: SPQRMocton NO ! utter destruction is called for if one of the largest alliances in eve gets destoyed for the their getting caught with a cheater in their midst MAYBE in the future the corps will question when a member suddenly has 10 ! new bpo's to GIVE to the corp! So you also want to destroy AAA - cause the exploit with login traps RA - for exploiting bugged 8/10 complexes Goonswarm - cheating with the client-portrait hack D2 - taking ip logs from the eve-online.de forums to uncover bob spies in D2 Oh no, you dont because you are allied with them....
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:59:00 - [35] out of 300k population, covering all aspects needed to run a country, I wonder how many other software developer's are there in iceland. ----------- Management and Leadership
Sun Ra Godspeed You Black Emperor	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:04:00 - [36] Originally by: SPQRMocton NO ! utter destruction is called for if one of the largest alliances in eve gets destoyed for the their getting caught with a cheater in their midst MAYBE in the future the corps will question when a member suddenly has 10 ! new bpo's to GIVE to the corp! Where do people keep getting this 10 bpo from? i thought it was 6? Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
Aberash eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:04:00 - [37] Originally by: Popsikle Originally by: Aberash lets put it this way, a lot of people are leaving the game because of this.. Its not really alot of people. The majority of Eve subscribers are empire goers who dont read the forums.... So to say alot of eve is leaving is a bit overstatement dont ya think? Well its a lot of the "alliance playerbase" then... it still affects a lot of people
MAC MCADAMS Black Lance	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:05:00 - [38] Originally by: evistin . Its a tough call, they cannot risk alienating one of the largest and biggest collections of season players in the game. A. CCP have done that themselves by not taking action, if they had then this matter might not be closed but would at least be on it way to being closed - The non-action of CCP towards BOB has made the situation worse and alienated BOB even more
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:06:00 - [39] Originally by: Aberash Originally by: Popsikle Originally by: Aberash lets put it this way, a lot of people are leaving the game because of this.. Its not really alot of people. The majority of Eve subscribers are empire goers who dont read the forums.... So to say alot of eve is leaving is a bit overstatement dont ya think? Well its a lot of the "alliance playerbase" then... it still affects a lot of people You know, that would actually change the political arena in eve in quite an interesting way. Powerblocks would fall and rise simply because a lot of player leave and the before somewhat less capable players rise to the top of the ranks. ----- $Forum + $Bob + $Devs == $ForumPostCount+++++;
Shyalud Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:07:00 - [40] Why not just post your ideas in one of the 30 or so other threads about this before making your own. Useless, repetative threads 4tl! Quote: The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.
Sun Ra Godspeed You Black Emperor	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:09:00 - [41] Originally by: Adril Alatar Originally by: SPQRMocton NO ! utter destruction is called for if one of the largest alliances in eve gets destoyed for the their getting caught with a cheater in their midst MAYBE in the future the corps will question when a member suddenly has 10 ! new bpo's to GIVE to the corp! So you also want to destroy AAA - cause the exploit with login traps RA - for exploiting bugged 8/10 complexes Goonswarm - cheating with the client-portrait hack D2 - taking ip logs from the eve-online.de forums to uncover bob spies in D2 Oh no, you dont because you are allied with them.... You forgot 1000s of people have shared account details to corp mates for whatever reason too, also didnt goons post a picture of the guy who hacked the forums? Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:10:00 - [42] Originally by: Shyalud Why not just post your ideas in one of the 30 or so other threads about this before making your own. Useless, repetative threads 4tl! Useless, repetitive posts 4tl ? Never saw you complain when BoB smeared the forums over and over again with private message board info about McCreedy and Cyvok
Local pusher	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:14:00 - [43] Originally by: evistin out of 300k population, covering all aspects needed to run a country, I wonder how many other software developer's are there in iceland. Certain alliance leader approach: ahahah how dumb of them to hit nuclear warhead with that isle...
Aberash eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:14:00 - [44] Originally by: DARK DAY When ppl whining atm get back to WoW damage will be repeared. Sure, BoB member did use his advantage of BPO. Sure, BoB might have use his powers for some other scenarios. Sure, some thing might have been different if not. But this guy is just a man and based on human nature im 100% sure there were others Devs in different alliances using their powers sometimes in some scale. BoB was accused of cheating and Dev connection many times and have long history with that problem. So i bet CCP had their eyes on BoB lot MORE then on other suspicious alliances. That might be the reason why this t20 Dev didnt get better BPOs then the ones he took. And its cool for ppl gathering togather fighting "right couse" against "evil BoB". But it is F...U...K....I...N...G annoying watching these posts on e-o forums and abuse all CCP and every DEVS without other prrofs. Personly i would bann 80% of i...d..i...OTS and kick them back to idiotic games as WOW and let them whine there instead ruining this game day by day. Insulting all over without proof is fuking good reason for BANING. Insulting ppl that MADE THIS GAME THAT YOU ACTUALY PAY TO PLAY. If you are sick of this and honeslty beliave that scale of DEV cheating is so BIG....QUIT!!!! First of all, dont post with an alt, and second of all this isnt the first incident were a dev has been "involved" in some way, shape or form in bob, i believe that is why people are so ****ed off. And considering the "powers" a dev has to do practically anything in the game, were a little annoyed this has been used to benefit the most powerful alliance in the game. Personally i love this game i believe its briliiant, i wouldnt go so far as to quit over this one incident, but excuse me for wanting this game to be played fairly..
SPQRMocton Minmatar Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:15:00 - [45] Wel for your information the only one who can access my account other than me is my Girlfriend And she has never played or ever will,so you completely wrong in assuming that all alliances/corps share account info , I don't have any account names or passwords for anyone else in any corp or alliance all opinoins expressed by me are MINE and do not reflect anyone elses opinion

Kreul Intentions Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:15:00 - [46] We understand the emotions behind everything that has transpired in the last few weeks. However, please stop trying to start different threads about the same basic issue. There are stickies EIP with enough information to read. Lockage. forum rules \| [email protected]

Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:16:00 - [47] Originally by: Aberash were a little annoyed this has been used to benefit the most powerful alliance in the game. So if t20 spawned some bpos for D2 or Goonswarm or me it would be less upsetting? ----- $Forum + $Bob + $Devs == $ForumPostCount+++++;

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