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Altessa Post Midnight special super sexy 162	Posted - 2016.03.28 22:50:32 - [1] - Quote Like many others, me too I tried to have a look at J-GAMP. And like many others, I run into the bubbled gate in front of the system and I was mowed down by CVA. This happened to many people. And tactically, maybe this made sense. Although I have my doubt. Yet, in the game, this was just a big alliance keeping out the small guy. Keeping them out from sightseeing, joining the fray or from just being there. As I said, maybe there was a tactical reason. But it felt small. So, no, I was not there (c) On the internet, you can be whatever you want to be. It is amazing that so many people chose to be stupid.
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 827	Posted - 2016.03.28 22:56:50 - [2] - Quote Would you let strangers go "sightseeing" in your living room? I mean, I thought CVA was supposed to be NRDS, but I never really got that. After all, a neutral in Eve is just a hostile that hasn't opened fire yet.
Falin Whalen GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 872	Posted - 2016.03.28 23:10:32 - [3] - Quote Neuntausend wrote: Would you let strangers go "sightseeing" in your (to be?) living room? I mean, I thought CVA was supposed to be NRDS, but I never really got that. After all, a neutral in Eve is just a hostile that hasn't opened fire yet. So, in a way it will always make sense to shoot neutrals (especially if a strategic operation is in progress) because you don't know what they are up to. Could be an out of corp cyno alt. Really the whole alt-tab out to check the KOS list, is a crock full of dung. Just set the whole eve cluster (defacto) red and be done with it. "it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka-á
Akirei Scytale Okami Syndicate 3642	Posted - 2016.03.28 23:19:43 - [4] - Quote This is the first time I've ever heard of CVA being described as a big alliance.
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 829	Posted - 2016.03.28 23:23:37 - [5] - Quote Place 23. according to dotlan. It's all relative. Compared to Midnight Special Super Sexy they are humongous.
Sustrai Aditua Intandofisa 41	Posted - 2016.03.29 02:41:43 - [6] - Quote G r r r r r r Goons?
Mephiztopheleze Republic University Minmatar Republic 617	Posted - 2016.03.29 03:05:25 - [7] - Quote Altessa Post wrote: Like many others, me too I tried to have a look at J-GAMP. And like many others, I run into the bubbled gate in front of the system and I was mowed down by CVA. This happened to many people. And tactically, maybe this made sense. Although I have my doubt. Yet, in the game, this was just a big alliance keeping out the small guy. Keeping them out from sightseeing, joining the fray or from just being there. As I said, maybe there was a tactical reason. But it felt small. So, no, I was not there (c) that neut you let slip through to do some sightseeing may just be the neut with a cyno that drops a cap fleet on your head. Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
Mari Camos Finnish Space Jaegers Goonswarm Federation 29	Posted - 2016.03.29 10:25:24 - [8] - Quote Mephiztopheleze wrote: Altessa Post wrote: Like many others, me too I tried to have a look at J-GAMP. And like many others, I run into the bubbled gate in front of the system and I was mowed down by CVA. This happened to many people. And tactically, maybe this made sense. Although I have my doubt. Yet, in the game, this was just a big alliance keeping out the small guy. Keeping them out from sightseeing, joining the fray or from just being there. As I said, maybe there was a tactical reason. But it felt small. So, no, I was not there (c) that neut you let slip through to do some sightseeing may just be the neut with a cyno that drops a cap fleet on your head. -> Non shall live. Let the lager decide what is wrong, what is right.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 123	Posted - 2016.03.29 10:42:22 - [9] - Quote Altessa Post wrote: Like many others, me too I tried to have a look at J-GAMP. And like many others, I run into the bubbled gate in front of the system and I was mowed down by CVA. This happened to many people. And tactically, maybe this made sense. Although I have my doubt. Yet, in the game, this was just a big alliance keeping out the small guy. Keeping them out from sightseeing, joining the fray or from just being there. As I said, maybe there was a tactical reason. But it felt small. So, no, I was not there (c) If all you wanted was to sight see, shoulda flown an interceptor
Mr Mieyli Hedion University Amarr Empire 288	Posted - 2016.03.29 11:21:24 - [10] - Quote Altessa Post wrote: Like many others, me too I tried to have a look at J-GAMP. And like many others, I run into the bubbled gate in front of the system and I was mowed down by CVA. This happened to many people. And tactically, maybe this made sense. Although I have my doubt. Yet, in the game, this was just a big alliance keeping out the small guy. Keeping them out from sightseeing, joining the fray or from just being there. As I said, maybe there was a tactical reason. But it felt small. So, no, I was not there (c) You obviously didn't have your journalist badge displayed well enough. I'm sure they would have been happy to let you sightsee and potentially screw everything up. A case for more AoE in EvE
Speedkermit Damo Demonic Retribution The Initiative. 481	Posted - 2016.03.29 12:03:08 - [11] - Quote Altessa Post wrote: Like many others, me too I tried to have a look at J-GAMP. And like many others, I run into the bubbled gate in front of the system and I was mowed down by CVA. This happened to many people. And tactically, maybe this made sense. Although I have my doubt. Yet, in the game, this was just a big alliance keeping out the small guy. Keeping them out from sightseeing, joining the fray or from just being there. As I said, maybe there was a tactical reason. But it felt small. So, no, I was not there (c) You should thank CVA, They saved you from an unfun, six hour, 10% tidi nightmare Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 13830	Posted - 2016.03.29 12:10:02 - [12] - Quote Altessa Post wrote: Like many others, me too I tried to have a look at J-GAMP. And like many others, I run into the bubbled gate in front of the system and I was mowed down by CVA. This happened to many people. And tactically, maybe this made sense. Although I have my doubt. Yet, in the game, this was just a big alliance keeping out the small guy. Keeping them out from sightseeing, joining the fray or from just being there. As I said, maybe there was a tactical reason. But it felt small. So, no, I was not there (c) You sound like someone wronged you. They didn't. You flew a ship into a battlezone, and got battlezone'd. That's the way the game works and if you didn't understand that before now, that's your own fault.
Kitsune Rei Tastes Like Purple 22	Posted - 2016.03.29 12:36:41 - [13] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Altessa Post wrote: Like many others, me too I tried to have a look at J-GAMP. And like many others, I run into the bubbled gate in front of the system and I was mowed down by CVA. This happened to many people. And tactically, maybe this made sense. Although I have my doubt. Yet, in the game, this was just a big alliance keeping out the small guy. Keeping them out from sightseeing, joining the fray or from just being there. As I said, maybe there was a tactical reason. But it felt small. So, no, I was not there (c) You sound like someone wronged you. They didn't. You flew a ship into a battlezone, and got battlezone'd. That's the way the game works and if you didn't understand that before now, that's your own fault. Sometimes people forget they play a PvP game. Also, Grrr Jenn Nerf aSides!
Duke Killem Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2016.03.29 13:27:41 - [14] - Quote Sustrai Aditua wrote: G r r r r r r Goons? G r r r r r r CVA (the new grrrrrr)
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7372	Posted - 2016.03.29 17:18:14 - [15] - Quote Killing everything that moves by a gate? In THIS game? No way. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 13839	Posted - 2016.03.29 17:27:35 - [16] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Killing everything that moves by a gate? In THIS game? No way. Yep, and why wouldn't they?
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2720	Posted - 2016.03.29 20:07:31 - [17] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Killing everything that moves by a gate? In THIS game? No way. Yep, and why wouldn't they? Something something newbies!!!!!!
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 126	Posted - 2016.03.29 21:04:10 - [18] - Quote Would it help if you stuffed your cargo hold full of popcorn and pom-poms? How about those little inflatable whacking sticks? Air horns? (not sure how useful those would be in space) Hey, I know... I can bring back the gong! No, wait, that would GET me killed... I'll just wait for the Youtube video... Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
Anyura Dark-Rising 185	Posted - 2016.03.29 21:08:47 - [19] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Something something newbies!!!!!! Something something newbies kill everything that moves by a gate as well.
KuroVolt The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 2263	Posted - 2016.03.30 04:47:16 - [20] - Quote Providence was there to third party. We were shooting both sides. Yes we operate on NRDS, the problem is we were in a warzone and all alliances involved in this are red to us. I'm afraid you were collateral damage, you run into a warzone like that, we can only assume you are working for one of the hostile entities we were there to fight. this will vary from FC to FC though. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Mephiztopheleze Republic University Minmatar Republic 621	Posted - 2016.03.30 06:16:47 - [21] - Quote KuroVolt wrote: this will vary from FC to FC though. shoot first, question the corpse later. Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
Sustrai Aditua Intandofisa 43	Posted - 2016.03.30 09:00:54 - [22] - Quote Picnic on the battlefield, and I got shot? Well. "Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!" -Gomer Pyle-
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 127	Posted - 2016.03.30 14:58:12 - [23] - Quote So, EVE political newbie here with relatively dumb questions... Why was Providence based CVA playing 'third party' all the way up in Tribute? I mean, isn't that just sticking your nose in where it doesn't belong? Wouldn't you know that as a NRDS organization (which I actually admire BTW) that everyone else would be Red and basically thus indistinguishable from NBSI at that point? I'm just a little lost here, I can't imagine too many neutrals running around a combat zone needing the NRDS police to help them, so still unclear on the reported presence of CVA or other NRDS groups... Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
flakeys Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 3249	Posted - 2016.03.30 15:08:14 - [24] - Quote Pandora Carrollon wrote: So, EVE political newbie here with relatively dumb questions... Why was Providence based CVA playing 'third party' all the way up in Tribute? I mean, isn't that just sticking your nose in where it doesn't belong? Wouldn't you know that as a NRDS organization (which I actually admire BTW) that everyone else would be Red and basically thus indistinguishable from NBSI at that point? I'm just a little lost here, I can't imagine too many neutrals running around a combat zone needing the NRDS police to help them, so still unclear on the reported presence of CVA or other NRDS groups... It was one of the largest fights in eve , everyone wanted to be there so that also includes some players from CVA.Can't they have one day off of RP and NRDS to have some fun? We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 849	Posted - 2016.03.30 15:09:21 - [25] - Quote As I understand it, CVA has set pretty much every major nullsec Alliance to red. This applies to both Imperium and Moneybadger Alliances. This is not surprising, because most of these Alliances like to roam Providence for fights every once in a while. So, in a sense, almost Everyone involved in this conflict is considered hostile by CVA, and even a relatively peaceful group like them has fun shooting lasers at spaceships from time to time. They aren't trying to be the police or something, they are just having some fun shooting at other peoples spaceships.
Agamemna Sheridan Die Gesandten des Todes Worlds United Fedo Force 8	Posted - 2016.03.30 15:26:46 - [26] - Quote Well NRDS is Provis way to go. But in a warzone like this, you shoot first and ask questions later. We came to the north to fight against Goons AND NC/PL. We did not take sides. If some neutrals were crushed in the gears then im sorry. Just a little tip : Next time you want to see a big fight in NULL, take a interceptor.
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 127	Posted - 2016.03.30 15:53:31 - [27] - Quote flakeys wrote: It was one of the largest fights in eve , everyone wanted to be there so that also includes some players from CVA.Can't they have one day off of RP and NRDS to have some fun? I get the lookie-lou thing. I don't get violating your own protocols and shooting neutrals to do it. You either subscribe to a philosophy or don't. Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 127	Posted - 2016.03.30 16:07:55 - [28] - Quote Neuntausend wrote: As I understand it, CVA has set pretty much every major nullsec Alliance to red. This applies to both Imperium and Moneybadger Alliances. This is not surprising, because most of these Alliances like to roam Providence for fights every once in a while. So, in a sense, almost Everyone involved in this conflict is considered hostile by CVA, and even a relatively peaceful group like them has fun shooting lasers at spaceships from time to time. They aren't trying to be the police or something, they are just having some fun shooting at other peoples spaceships. Fine, but you could do that anywhere. Your statement about them roaming Providence makes sense in this case though, however, preventing others from joining in would feel more police like to me. Quote: Why do you think so few alliances are NRDS, and so many people kind of laugh at the notion of NRDS? NRDS doesn't work in Eve unless you set almost everyone to red. As I said - a neutral in Eve is just a hostile that has not opened fire yet. If you don't set them to red, you'll just have barbaric hordes roaming your space, pillaging and plundering to their heart's content. You need a way to get rid of them before they actually have a chance to inflict major damage, and in order to do that, you'll want to be able to shoot first. While I don't share in your interpretation of neutrals or how they behave, I could point out a group that operates without tagging everyone as 'red'. As much as I don't like the RICO organization CODE, they seem to have found a way to control space in their 'areas' without tagging everyone as red. Sure, if you post up your 'license' they might let you live and go by, or not depending on the mood of the CODE person, it does somewhat work. This is just an example of variant forms of ID and 'policing'. If CVA is only making 'red' every major alliance that might take on their space, then all the small corps and neutrals would not show up as red and that's actually a lot of players so I also don't entirely see your definition of 'almost everyone'. I don't know if there are stats on that or not. It would be interesting to see what percentage of pilots belong to larger corps and alliances. None of that solidly explains why they'd go stick their noses into Tribute. If it was a lark, then so be it, that answers my questions well enough. Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
KuroVolt The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 2263	Posted - 2016.03.30 17:40:52 - [29] - Quote Altessa Post wrote: The FC makes the calls, if someone got killed that didn't deserve killing, the FC is concidered responsible. In this case the FC was a member of The Volition Cult. So if you feel you were wrongfully killed, you could try contacting one of their diplo's. I can't assure you will be reimburst though, as I don't know what policy VOLT has on these kinds of incidents. Provi alliances are given alot of freedom in regards to how they run their alliance, so while we all follow NRDS, policies might differ. This is why I said it varies from FC to FC earlier. Pandora Carrollon wrote: None of that solidly explains why they'd go stick their noses into Tribute. If it was a lark, then so be it, that answers my questions well enough. Same reason alot of people went there. We didn't want to miss the potention "fight of the year". so yes, we were there for fun, that doesn't mean we go "** NRDS tonight" we still try to enforce NRDS and we still try to do what is right. You have to remember that our FC's are only human, they are doing 10 different things at the same time during these fleets and they have to make a split second call on alot of stuff. Mistakes are bound to happen. That is what diplomats are for. BoBwins Law**: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Circumstantial Evidence 267	Posted - 2016.03.30 20:28:22 - [30] - Quote The NRDS vs NBSI debate will continue until the servers close. NBSI is more popular because its very easy to explain. NRDS adds the interesting exercise of determining the intentions of neutrals, complicated by the situation they are found in. Are they just travelling... or decloaking in the middle of your capital fleet while dreds are in siege? Those are just two extreme examples. The "war zone" situation is another. NRDS groups don't have an authoritative rule book or exceptions list to refer to.
Rascal Antollare Internet Famous LLC 0	Posted - 2016.03.31 05:21:16 - [31] - Quote All I can say is welcome to the sandbox. If you are a neut that shows up in the middle of a fleet fight, and you are just hanging out getting in the way, you are going to get shot. There is no way to ask you your intentions. Like others have said, in this situation, yo shoot first and ask questions later.
ISD Buldath isd star 353	Posted - 2016.03.31 05:25:31 - [32] - Quote Quote: 3. Ranting is prohibited. A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents. Complaining to be popped on a gate by A " Big Alliance " Does not warrant a post. Try another route. Locked. *~ISD Buldath* Commander Support, Training and Resources Division Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to EVE-Mails regarding forum moderation.

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