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Wylker Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.02.12 22:03:00 - [1] Edited by: Wylker on 12/02/2007 22:03:27 So many people seem to think this conflict in the south is going to be the end of life as we know it in eve. Unless goonswarm unleash their dread/titan fleet, I highly doubt that will happen. Now, I am sure that with the current size of the playerbase, that this will be the most involved war that Eve has ever seen. However, I wanted to put some historical perspective on the conflict. I am sure everyone who reads this enjoys doin a bit of forum whoring, I'd suggest starting here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=channel&channelID=3521&page=225 Its like a carbon copy of pages 1-15, but from 3 years ago. Enjoy :)
Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.12 22:04:00 - [2] my question is this: If BoB wins, what happens then? Will we be faced with Empire and BoB space? Quote: Fix drones too. YouÆve replaced the petulant two-year old with an emo-teen.
ustasatomekk Caldari Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.12 22:10:00 - [3] Originally by: Swift Wind my question is this: If BoB wins, what happens then? Will we be faced with Empire and BoB space? bob will always attack someone who is in range of their calibre like always,maybe ascn wasnt but we all know they bragged on forums they have titan 100 carriers and BSes that much that bob couldnt kill.
Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.12 22:26:00 - [4] Edited by: Swift Wind on 12/02/2007 22:22:10 that really dosen't address my question, boss :) Will it be in New Edens best intrest to have BoB control basicly all of 0.0? Leaving the player base with two choices, BoB or Empire. Quote: Fix drones too. YouÆve replaced the petulant two-year old with an emo-teen.
ustasatomekk Caldari Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.12 22:28:00 - [5] Originally by: Swift Wind Edited by: Swift Wind on 12/02/2007 22:22:10 that really dosen't address my question, boss :) Will it be in New Edens best intrest to have BoB control basicly all of 0.0? Leaving the player base with two choices, BoB or Empire. you would need lots of naps or 20k players in allaince if you wish to control all 0.0 for sure.i doubt that will ever happend but i might be wrong
batloard Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.12 22:31:00 - [6] its closer than you think. There are many smaller alliance emerging with little experneice with 0.0 empire running. Now once the big alliances are destroyed, what chances do the smaller alliances have at fighting a super power?
Valekrin Ziemisra 12-Gauge	Posted - 2007.02.12 22:37:00 - [7] Since BoB pretty much IS CCP and CCP is concord i dont see any change other then the whole of EVE will be empire.
Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.12 22:40:00 - [8] Originally by: batloard its closer than you think. There are many smaller alliance emerging with little experneice with 0.0 empire running. Now once the big alliances are destroyed, what chances do the smaller alliances have at fighting a super power? Exactly my fear. Just look @ the alliance map, how many regions do they have? If BoB is successful, and able to convert the areas of conflict to Bob, whats left? Not much, for us 1 year old corps, and new alliances. We have to either pay BoB rent or live in the empire. Quote: Fix drones too. YouÆve replaced the petulant two-year old with an emo-teen.
Helina Malinos Caldari Euro Traders	Posted - 2007.02.12 22:44:00 - [9] Originally by: Swift Wind Edited by: Swift Wind on 12/02/2007 22:22:10 that really dosen't address my question, boss :) Will it be in New Edens best intrest to have BoB control basicly all of 0.0? Leaving the player base with two choices, BoB or Empire. OMG, are you all retarded or sumit? Can't you all see whats going on, are you all living in a dream world? It's clear to see that BoB play for PVP, there not like RA and trying to farm the Isk or D2 and NAP the world to death. they want to go fight stuff, why the hell do you think there giving D2 more than enough time to set up. I belive that if BoB ever took all of 0.0 and for the record why would they but lets pretend they did, what is left for them then? Get a grip you diluded bunch of muppets for the love of god. Can you all please stop starting stupid threads and do something about it or STFU.
Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.12 22:50:00 - [10] Originally by: Helina Malinos Originally by: Swift Wind Edited by: Swift Wind on 12/02/2007 22:22:10 that really dosen't address my question, boss :) Will it be in New Edens best intrest to have BoB control basicly all of 0.0? Leaving the player base with two choices, BoB or Empire. OMG, are you all retarded or sumit? lol.... Pot meet kettel. Quote: Can't you all see whats going on, are you all living in a dream world? It's clear to see that BoB play for PVP, there not like RA and trying to farm the Isk or D2 and NAP the world to death. they want to go fight stuff, why the hell do you think there giving D2 more than enough time to set up. Wow, your love of BoB sure comes through there :) Quote: I belive that if BoB ever took all of 0.0 and for the record why would they but lets pretend they did, what is left for them then? Get a grip you diluded bunch of muppets for the love of god. Can you all please stop starting stupid threads and do something about it or STFU. Can you please stop gracing serious threads with your ignorant trolling flamebait? thanks :) Quote: Fix drones too. YouÆve replaced the petulant two-year old with an emo-teen.
Valekrin Ziemisra 12-Gauge	Posted - 2007.02.12 22:50:00 - [11] BoB doesnt play for PVP where did you get that from? BoB play to WIN!
Helina Malinos Caldari Euro Traders	Posted - 2007.02.12 22:52:00 - [12] Originally by: Swift Wind Originally by: Helina Malinos Originally by: Swift Wind Edited by: Swift Wind on 12/02/2007 22:22:10 that really dosen't address my question, boss :) Will it be in New Edens best intrest to have BoB control basicly all of 0.0? Leaving the player base with two choices, BoB or Empire. OMG, are you all retarded or sumit? lol.... Pot meet kettel. Quote: Can't you all see whats going on, are you all living in a dream world? It's clear to see that BoB play for PVP, there not like RA and trying to farm the Isk or D2 and NAP the world to death. they want to go fight stuff, why the hell do you think there giving D2 more than enough time to set up. Wow, your love of BoB sure comes through there :) Quote: I belive that if BoB ever took all of 0.0 and for the record why would they but lets pretend they did, what is left for them then? Get a grip you diluded bunch of muppets for the love of god. Can you all please stop starting stupid threads and do something about it or STFU. Can you please stop gracing serious threads with your ignorant trolling flamebait? thanks :) With incitefull narrowminded people like you who needs flaimers. Just because you don't like the truth does not make it any less true. Now please give your head a shake!
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.12 22:54:00 - [13] Edited by: Plutoinum on 12/02/2007 22:51:36 Originally by: Swift Wind Edited by: Swift Wind on 12/02/2007 22:22:10 that really dosen't address my question, boss :) Will it be in New Edens best intrest to have BoB control basicly all of 0.0? Leaving the player base with two choices, BoB or Empire. If BoB took the whole 0.0, there would be too many homeless pvp'ers in their opposition, who they could never control. Those would probably reside in NPC 0.0 everywhere and roam into BoB territory with gank squads and fleets, take down poses here and there. I think it's just uncontrollable, except all pvp'ers join them, witch is never going to happen. ( And BoB doesn't want that of course either ) They had to defend at too many different places at once every day.
Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.12 22:54:00 - [14] Edited by: Swift Wind on 12/02/2007 22:51:22 Originally by: Helina Malinos With incitefull narrowminded people like you who needs flaimers. Just because you don't like the truth does not make it any less true. Now please give your head a shake![/quote yes narrowminded... do you need a dictionary too? Why do you have such a problem with people discussin what THEY WANT? geez. Quote: Fix drones too. YouÆve replaced the petulant two-year old with an emo-teen.
Helina Malinos Caldari Euro Traders	Posted - 2007.02.12 22:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Swift Wind Originally by: Helina Malinos With incitefull narrowminded people like you who needs flaimers. Just because you don't like the truth does not make it any less true. Now please give your head a shake![/quote yes narrowminded... do you need a dictionary too? Why do you have such a problem with people discussin what THEY WANT? geez. I do yes, but like me its German, I have noticed that there are many retarded people in this game that correct peoples spelling, shame that thats the only tool they have to get back at others. Pathetic.
Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.12 22:57:00 - [16] Edited by: Swift Wind on 12/02/2007 22:54:03 Originally by: Plutoinum Originally by: Swift Wind Edited by: Swift Wind on 12/02/2007 22:22:10 that really dosen't address my question, boss :) Will it be in New Edens best intrest to have BoB control basicly all of 0.0? Leaving the player base with two choices, BoB or Empire. If BoB took the whole 0.0, there would be too many homeless pvp'ers in their opposition, who they could never control. Those would probably reside in NPC 0.0 everywhere and roam into BoB territory with gank squads and fleets, take down poses here and there. I think it's just uncontrollable, except all pvp'ers join them, witch is never going to happen. ( And BoB doesn't want that of course either ) Are you saying it is in BoB's interst to allow alliances to grow? Homeless PvPrs and a organized oppisition are two diffrnet things, are they not? Quote: Fix drones too. YouÆve replaced the petulant two-year old with an emo-teen.
Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.12 22:57:00 - [17] Edited by: Swift Wind on 12/02/2007 22:55:36 Edited by: Swift Wind on 12/02/2007 22:54:32 Originally by: Helina Malinos Originally by: Swift Wind Originally by: Helina Malinos With incitefull narrowminded people like you who needs flaimers. Just because you don't like the truth does not make it any less true. Now please give your head a shake![/quote yes narrowminded... do you need a dictionary too? Why do you have such a problem with people discussin what THEY WANT? geez. I do yes, but like me its German, I have noticed that there are many retarded people in this game that correct peoples spelling, shame that thats the only tool they have to get back at others. Pathetic. yes and I certianly started the insulting and namecalling right? you come in here insulting us for having a discussion, then were pathetic? Quote: Fix drones too. YouÆve replaced the petulant two-year old with an emo-teen.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:15:00 - [18] Edited by: Plutoinum on 12/02/2007 23:12:48 Originally by: Swift Wind Edited by: Swift Wind on 12/02/2007 22:54:03 Originally by: Plutoinum Originally by: Swift Wind Edited by: Swift Wind on 12/02/2007 22:22:10 that really dosen't address my question, boss :) Will it be in New Edens best intrest to have BoB control basicly all of 0.0? Leaving the player base with two choices, BoB or Empire. If BoB took the whole 0.0, there would be too many homeless pvp'ers in their opposition, who they could never control. Those would probably reside in NPC 0.0 everywhere and roam into BoB territory with gank squads and fleets, take down poses here and there. I think it's just uncontrollable, except all pvp'ers join them, witch is never going to happen. ( And BoB doesn't want that of course either ) Are you saying it is in BoB's interest to allow alliances to grow? Homeless PvPrs and a organized oppisition are two diffrnet things, are they not? And you think BoB would enjoy that ? No concrete target ? Bob likes to attack, but there would be nothing to attack. They had to defend against an enemy that gave them no real target. Like fighting shadows everyday, a war that you can't really win. btw although BoB is surely the strongest alliance ingame, the can't handle/control the rest of EVE. RA have shown that a few hundred people can already be a pain in the arse and appear uncontrollable over time. Imagine more RAs doing the same thing in different areas of the map. BoB would puke after some months.
Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:20:00 - [19] The question arose only due to the fact that they are currently trying to eliminate their oppisition, right? What happens if they are successful? If they win the current war, who is left? I am sure BoB likes to fight, but to say they would never want to 'rule', for thier love of fighting, seems a bit of a reach. Weither they want the real estate or not, they have been aquiring it. I do agree total control may not be possible, but ensuring their the only 'empire' is well within their grasp, IMO. Quote: Fix drones too. YouÆve replaced the petulant two-year old with an emo-teen.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:30:00 - [20] Originally by: Swift Wind The question arose only due to the fact that they are currently trying to eliminate their oppisition, right? What happens if they are successful? If they win the current war, who is left? I am sure BoB likes to fight, but to say they would never want to 'rule', for thier love of fighting, seems a bit of a reach. Weither they want the real estate or not, they have been aquiring it. I do agree total control may not be possible, but ensuring their the only 'empire' is well within their grasp, IMO. If everything failed and BoB became the only empire and many players were unhappy about that, then CCP would rebalance the game after some time, so that BoBs empire would become more vulnerable.
Itzena Amarr OtakuDyne Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:41:00 - [21] ...except they haven't done that on the Chinese server, where one alliance controls all 0.0 space. -- I want my people to reclaim their rightful place in the galaxy... I want a rebirth of glory, a renaissance of power... I want us to be what we used to be.
Huge Ox UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:42:00 - [22] This conflict wasn't really chosen by BoB more forced on them at a time when they really wanted to be shooting D2 (speculation on my part). Given the choice of seing the possible destruction of LV and the disapearence of a buffer zone/meatshield whatever you want to call it i'd probbaly have done the same thing they have. Also dont forget this conflict between LV and friends v Ragoon and the bandwageners didn't start just as Bob joined in it had allready been going for nearly 2 weeks (its been going a lot longer i know this is just the current phase i'm refering to) before that when Goons broke the pos agreement. usual disclaimer crap applies
TJ17 Gallente Dread Elite DREAD.	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:47:00 - [23] if BoB does controll all of 0.0 they will rent it out to tenats to look over it then if BoB does take over all 0.0 they will go fight concord
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:49:00 - [24] IMO, BoB's space would be far less secure if the rest of EvE had nothing to lose. The primary reason nobody has really tried to take it in the past is the fear of retribution. If you invade BoB, and fail, you will have them knocking on your doorstep shortly there after. Once that fear of loss is gone, and all you stand to lose is the ship you're currently flying, you really have no reason to not attack them.
Kelron Neesna Diligent Souls	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:59:00 - [25] There will always be someone for BoB to pew pew. If there are no more hostile targets for BoB to shoot, they will simply reset standings, and go from there.
Roller Syn-Packet Security	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:04:00 - [26] The more important question is what will you BoB worshipers do once they are gone?
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:05:00 - [27] Originally by: Itzena ...except they haven't done that on the Chinese server, where one alliance controls all 0.0 space. Well, don't know, what's going on there. But if tranquility ever gets into a state, where one group gets so powerful that they are truly untouchable, then CCP needs to rebalance at some point. Otherwise many people leave the game. But we are far from that point imho, otherwise I'd fly against BoB myself. In my eyes there is a lot of paranoia around. There is the biggest coalition flying against them that has ever been formed in EVE. If some of them are still paranoid, then it seems a bit retarded to me. Then maybe at least those people deserve to get their ass handed for incompetence and whinage
BobFromMarketing Amarr The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:11:00 - [28] Originally by: Itzena ...except they haven't done that on the Chinese server, where one alliance controls all 0.0 space. o.0
Logi3 EVE Corporation 1631	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:11:00 - [29] Im interested to see what happens at the end of this war. I personally think that there will be alot of alliance in need to get some isk, ships and members back. People will lose ships. People will lose POS's. People will take breaks. Non PVP corps will leave the alliances. In the end, im pretty sure the alliance will be smaller. But life will go on. Could BoB end as people seek new challenges? Who knows...
Anaximander Monk Mandala Group	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:13:00 - [30] The south is at war with the north. The south has always been at war with the north. The north is allied with the east. The north has always been allied with the east.

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