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Ascend Alt eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:17:00 - [31] Originally by: ustasatomekk Originally by: Swift Wind my question is this: If BoB wins, what happens then? Will we be faced with Empire and BoB space? bob will always attack someone who is in range of their calibre like always,maybe ascn wasnt but we all know they bragged on forums they have titan 100 carriers and BSes that much that bob couldnt kill. Just out of interest could you point me to one single post where this actually, you know, like happened prior to the start of the BoB assault?
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:21:00 - [32] Edited by: Plutoinum on 13/02/2007 00:17:19 Originally by: Anaximander Monk The south is at war with the north. The south has always been at war with the north. The north is allied with the east. The north has always been allied with the east. You are speaking of RA. Big part of the east has also been [5]+V, and they were everything else, but not north-friendly.
Anaximander Monk Mandala Group	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:36:00 - [33] Originally by: Plutoinum Edited by: Plutoinum on 13/02/2007 00:17:19 Originally by: Anaximander Monk The south is at war with the north. The south has always been at war with the north. The north is allied with the east. The north has always been allied with the east. You are speaking of RA. Big part of the east has also been [5]+V, and they were everything else, but not north-friendly. WAR IS PEACE. FREEDOM IS SLAVERY. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:39:00 - [34] I dont see what everyone is worried about. The corps that make up BOB started out in EVE exactly the same way as you all did. The members had the same start, in fact even tho they have experience I would say this game changes so much that it is hardly relevant. Stop griping, moaning and *****ing and make your own destiny. That is afterall my friends the point of EVE. Fly safe o7 Dark-Rising
Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.13 01:09:00 - [35] Originally by: Mitch Taylor I dont see what everyone is worried about. The corps that make up BOB started out in EVE exactly the same way as you all did. The members had the same start, in fact even tho they have experience I would say this game changes so much that it is hardly relevant. Stop griping, moaning and ***ing and make your own destiny. That is afterall my friends the point of EVE. Fly safe o7 yes, years of a head start on skills means nothing.... Quote:** Fix drones too. YouÆve replaced the petulant two-year old with an emo-teen.
Flaming Lemming	Posted - 2007.02.13 01:17:00 - [36] Originally by: Mitch Taylor I dont see what everyone is worried about. The corps that make up BOB started out in EVE exactly the same way as you all did. The members had the same start, in fact even tho they have experience I would say this game changes so much that it is hardly relevant. Stop griping, moaning and *****ing and make your own destiny. That is afterall my friends the point of EVE. Fly safe o7 Wheres my T2 BPO? I'm just an Alt....but my main doesn't have a sig either. a forum thread you need to read
Empyre ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.13 01:22:00 - [37] Originally by: Swift Wind yes, years of a head start on skills means nothing.... personally, i'm thankful of this. it keeps everyone "progressing" at the same basic rate while still allowing those that put in the long playtimes the reward of more isk.. provided gathering iskies is what they're up to at that time.. pvp practice could be interchanged in place of that. its a refreshing break from the MMOs i've played that leave me griefed beyond belief and always 2 steps behind the guy that spends every waking moment playing. bottom line? eve has options.. many MANY of them. if it's skills that keep bob "on top" then mathematically all those complaining about it should have nothing to complain about in roughly (amount of time bob has played) - (time complainer has been playing). that is, of course, assuming the people complaining are not just doing so because they don't have the means otherwise and are too lazy to attain those means.. People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue.
Founder Meo Gallente Dragons Of Redemption Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 01:26:00 - [38] Id just like to bring up a point here, if Bob did control all of 0.0 space it would be a big accomplishment ... but more to the point there member count would be be HUGE so much so that the political infighting as well as corps declaring that they are the "true" bob would split of resulting in most likely the biggest civil war in the history of EVE. People are chaotic i don't honestly believe that a coherent effective controlled alliance could control all of 0.0, what you have to remember is that currently in comparison with some of the big alliances Bob population is low. sure they have pets but consider those puppet nations. there not really part of Bob in so doing, eg controlling puppet nations or allies Bob has enabled them to control a coherent core of an elite fighting whilst shoving the usual gank squads to the puppet nations ... it really is quite effecient. ----------------------------------------------- -Who would bring a charge against God's elect ? it is God who justifies- Romans 8:33
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.13 01:27:00 - [39] Edited by: Kozak on 13/02/2007 01:24:21 I've played this game since Beta, and now is the only time that I have had doubts about the future of this game. Besides the recent revelations, most MMO's that failed, failed do to one common occurance; domination of one group over most others... When you add the recent events to that fact, I can really see the end.
Nesa Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 01:58:00 - [40] Originally by: Huge Ox This conflict wasn't really chosen by BoB more forced on them at a time when they really wanted to be shooting D2 (speculation on my part). Given the choice of seing the possible destruction of LV and the disapearence of a buffer zone/meatshield whatever you want to call it i'd probbaly have done the same thing they have. Also dont forget this conflict between LV and friends v Ragoon and the bandwageners didn't start just as Bob joined in it had allready been going for nearly 2 weeks (its been going a lot longer i know this is just the current phase i'm refering to) before that when Goons broke the pos agreement. usual disclaimer crap applies Not to forget also that the 'bandwagoners' aren't all there to shoot BoB. Some were long time allies of Goon/RED/TCF and had already been planning for months to come and help when they got this far. Shooting BoB is just an added bonus for them. BoB really have no choice, they're faced with the closest thing to a friend that still has soverign space, losing it. And it's much easier to get kills defending friendly space than invading hostile space.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.02.13 02:12:00 - [41] If BoB does conquer the "whole map", so to speak, do you know what I think they'll do? Disband Why? So they can reconquer it all. BoB wants fights and victories. If they crush everyone, then there will be no one to fight. By disbanding, there would be many an opportunity for a fight, what with all the people that would seek to take their place on top. Far fetched? I don't really think so. I think that the bobbites are a little too busy at the moment to have thought about it, but in the end, I won't be surprised if my prophecy comes true. Anyways, IBTL Originally by: Glenntwo You should be an anti pirate because you enjoy giving a player who is looking for an unfair fight an extremely unfair fight
Red Crown	Posted - 2007.02.13 02:27:00 - [42] Originally by: Mitch Taylor I dont see what everyone is worried about. The corps that make up BOB started out in EVE exactly the same way as you all did. The members had the same start, in fact even tho they have experience I would say this game changes so much that it is hardly relevant. Stop griping, moaning and *****ing and make your own destiny. That is afterall my friends the point of EVE. Fly safe o7 Started. As someone else pointed out, several games have fallen due to domination of one power. BoB "Plays to win", the accusations of cheating, the sterotype of a 16 hour a day player. All sterotypical of the "One power" in a game. Its not the in game characters that are the problem with BoB. It is the people. When I fly, I always like to think that the guy on the other end of my guns is also human, hes not a comptuer, he can't work like one. BoB is somewhat different. Playing to win means at all costs, time being one. They play a different game than I, or we, do. I have my doubts BoB could, from a military standpoint, conquor 0.0 however, I do consider it possible. My vote goes with the Goons and the Red war machine, but thats off topic. EVE won't stand for it. If BoB controlled all 0.0, I personally would start an insurgency... There aren't enough lapdogs. There are too many players who want 0.0. There aren't enough BoB. They'd steadily crumble as we foray'd into their space ganking their Covetors and Hulks and mining frigates. And 'forging your own destiny', my EVE aspirations don't involve BoB controlling much space at all.
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.02.13 04:41:00 - [43] Edited by: Mitch Taylor on 13/02/2007 04:40:19 Originally by: Red Crown Originally by: Mitch Taylor I dont see what everyone is worried about. The corps that make up BOB started out in EVE exactly the same way as you all did. The members had the same start, in fact even tho they have experience I would say this game changes so much that it is hardly relevant. Stop griping, moaning and *****ing and make your own destiny. That is afterall my friends the point of EVE. Fly safe o7 Started. As someone else pointed out, several games have fallen due to domination of one power. BoB "Plays to win", the accusations of cheating, the sterotype of a 16 hour a day player. All sterotypical of the "One power" in a game. Its not the in game characters that are the problem with BoB. It is the people. When I fly, I always like to think that the guy on the other end of my guns is also human, hes not a comptuer, he can't work like one. BoB is somewhat different. Playing to win means at all costs, time being one. They play a different game than I, or we, do. I have my doubts BoB could, from a military standpoint, conquor 0.0 however, I do consider it possible. My vote goes with the Goons and the Red war machine, but thats off topic. EVE won't stand for it. If BoB controlled all 0.0, I personally would start an insurgency... There aren't enough lapdogs. There are too many players who want 0.0. There aren't enough BoB. They'd steadily crumble as we foray'd into their space ganking their Covetors and Hulks and mining frigates. And 'forging your own destiny', my EVE aspirations don't involve BoB controlling much space at all. Did you just say everything I just said but with an anti bob twist. Congrats your 'jealousofBOBomgtheyarehaxxorsmember' number 2342. Why cant you people just do something your proud of yourself? I am proud of what I have achieved in this game, using all of the mechanics the game gives me to the full. It sickens me to read post after post of people wrapped in jealousy of others achievements. Take a long hard look at yourselves. Its a game, play it to win or dont play it at all. /emo outburst. Dark-Rising
Boliknar The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 12:27:00 - [44] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus If BoB does conquer the "whole map", so to speak, do you know what I think they'll do? Disband Why? So they can reconquer it all. BoB wants fights and victories. If they crush everyone, then there will be no one to fight. By disbanding, there would be many an opportunity for a fight, what with all the people that would seek to take their place on top. Far fetched? I don't really think so. I think that the bobbites are a little too busy at the moment to have thought about it, but in the end, I won't be surprised if my prophecy comes true. I am so sick of this "all BOB wants is PVP" crap being spewed forth by all the fanbois. If anythig at recent events have shown us BOB is all about winning and doing so at whatever cost may be associated with it. So stop saying they are just in it for the PVP and good fights... If that were the case then this whole mess which I cannot name specifically (under threat of the mods ban-stick) would have never have happened.
Weka Dart	Posted - 2007.02.13 12:34:00 - [45] Originally by: Helina Malinos Originally by: Swift Wind Originally by: Helina Malinos Originally by: Swift Wind Edited by: Swift Wind on 12/02/2007 22:22:10 that really dosen't address my question, boss :) Will it be in New Edens best intrest to have BoB control basicly all of 0.0? Leaving the player base with two choices, BoB or Empire. OMG, are you all retarded or sumit? lol.... Pot meet kettel. Quote: Can't you all see whats going on, are you all living in a dream world? It's clear to see that BoB play for PVP, there not like RA and trying to farm the Isk or D2 and NAP the world to death. they want to go fight stuff, why the hell do you think there giving D2 more than enough time to set up. Wow, your love of BoB sure comes through there :) Quote: I belive that if BoB ever took all of 0.0 and for the record why would they but lets pretend they did, what is left for them then? Get a grip you diluded bunch of muppets for the love of god. Can you all please stop starting stupid threads and do something about it or STFU. Can you please stop gracing serious threads with your ignorant trolling flamebait? thanks :) With incitefull narrowminded people like you who needs flaimers. Just because you don't like the truth does not make it any less true. Now please give your head a shake! No don't do that, look what happened to you when you were shaken violently and dropped on your noggin.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.02.13 12:35:00 - [46] Originally by: Boliknar Originally by: Deschenus Maximus If BoB does conquer the "whole map", so to speak, do you know what I think they'll do? Disband Why? So they can reconquer it all. BoB wants fights and victories. If they crush everyone, then there will be no one to fight. By disbanding, there would be many an opportunity for a fight, what with all the people that would seek to take their place on top. Far fetched? I don't really think so. I think that the bobbites are a little too busy at the moment to have thought about it, but in the end, I won't be surprised if my prophecy comes true. I am so sick of this "all BOB wants is PVP" crap being spewed forth by all the fanbois. If anythig at recent events have shown us BOB is all about winning and doing so at whatever cost may be associated with it. So stop saying they are just in it for the PVP and good fights... If that were the case then this whole mess which I cannot name specifically (under threat of the mods ban-stick) would have never have happened. I've highlighted and underligned a part of my post. Selective reading ftl. Anyways, IBTL Originally by: Glenntwo You should be an anti pirate because you enjoy giving a player who is looking for an unfair fight an extremely unfair fight
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 12:54:00 - [47] If BOB ever conquered all of 0.0 I have a pretty good idea of what they would do. They would find plenty of corps and alliances to settle in their conquered territories, make sure that they were set up well then return to Delve and reset standings to everyone and start all over again from scratch. There have been people on these forums "Warning" LV that BOB will shoot them again once the war is won. News flash: Neither side would have it any other way. Now ask yourselves why that is. Too much blue is BAD for your alliance. F4T4L - Recruitment
HatePeace LoveWar Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 12:55:00 - [48] Edited by: HatePeace LoveWar on 13/02/2007 12:53:18 Lol nice, so glad i have a different forum *** character to back then, so many embarrasing posts. Got a funny little quote from Dianabolic: Quote:** SirMolle - I seem to remember questions posed to EVOL in the past, to which you and your representatives have retorted "Our business is our own". Why do you hold other corporations to a higher standard than that to which you yourselves refuse to be held to? . Eve is ever changing.
Victor Merren The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.13 13:11:00 - [49] As someone already mentioned in this thread and as was mentioned some time ago as well, Bob will simply disband or break up if they "win" Eve. Its not that difficult to see that. They play the game to win and if they "win" Eve, the only challenge would be by that stage found within Bob itself. On an obliquely related topic - will possibly result in deletion of this post - did anyone else notice the eerie similarity between the handling of the Bob/dev scandal by both Bob and CCP? V.
Zantazar Caldari The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.13 13:32:00 - [50] Yes Victor, just about the entire populus of Eve want to discuss it more in depth. However both CCP and BOB were noticably quiet during the period that we were allowed to discuss it. But now that CCP have served the "D" notice, and wielded their power to mute our voices and censor this particular media, we have to rely on the many sources and blogs on the freedom of expression part of the web, to voice our concerns. Anyways, I digress, good luck to all of you that are taking up arms against BOB. I am to disillusioned to play any of my accounts at the moment. I would sell my soul, my body, and my entire family for a Navy Raven. (Just kidding .... my soul is not for sale)
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.13 15:12:00 - [51] Edited by: Troubadour on 13/02/2007 15:09:26 Bob won't be controlling "all of 0.0 space" if they win this war. Actually they will just secure LV's space, and keep fountain. This isn't technically a war of aggression on BoB's part as they were attacked while helping to defend an ally. They will most likely spend some time rebuilding a bit and then pick out the biggest alliance again and fight em. Why? Because they want a good fight. So this whole notion of "OMG IF BOB WINS WE ALL LOSE 0.0 SPACE TO THEM!!11" is retarded. 0.0 will still be full of big, medium, and little crap alliances all over as BoB's goal is not to dominate or control all of 0.0 like you rambling idiots think. It's simply to get a good fight.
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.13 15:16:00 - [52] Originally by: Zantazar Yes Victor, just about the entire populus of Eve want to discuss it more in depth. However both CCP and BOB were noticably quiet during the period that we were allowed to discuss it. But now that CCP have served the "D" notice, and wielded their power to mute our voices and censor this particular media, we have to rely on the many sources and blogs on the freedom of expression part of the web, to voice our concerns. Anyways, I digress, good luck to all of you that are taking up arms against BOB. I am to disillusioned to play any of my accounts at the moment. This is THEIR forums. If they don't want you beating an issue to death, they don't have to let you. Quite frankly NONE of you are qualified to talk about as you lack the actual details of what happened. So please, STFU, and play the game.
Wylker Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.02.13 18:15:00 - [53] So, my goal when I posted this wasn't to start the 300th "ZOMG who will pwn who" or a "bobbitz cant win cuz they hax" thread. If anyone actually tried reading some of the posts that I linkeyd, you'd see that approximately 2 years ago, there was a carbon copy of the last few weeks discussions about some of the old alliances esp [5] & [CA]. We are reliving some of the most dynamic history of Eve. We have more people living it, newer ships doing it, and different alliances lining up to dance, but in the end I think the strength of the game design will be shown when at the end of this war the universe doesn't explode :)
Wylker Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.02.13 18:15:00 - [54] So, my goal when I posted this wasn't to start the 300th "ZOMG who will pwn who" or a "bobbitz cant win cuz they hax" thread. If anyone actually tried reading some of the posts that I linkeyd, you'd see that approximately 2 years ago, there was a carbon copy of the last few weeks discussions about some of the old alliances esp [5] & [CA]. We are reliving some of the most dynamic history of Eve. We have more people living it, newer ships doing it, and different alliances lining up to dance, but in the end I think the strength of the game design will be shown when at the end of this war the universe doesn't explode :)
Master Spoonman Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.13 18:28:00 - [55] Originally by: Helina Malinos It's clear to see that BoB play for PVP, there not like RA and trying to farm the Isk or D2 and NAP the world to death. they want to go fight stuff, why the hell do you think there giving D2 more than enough time to set up. You scare me, can we NAP? *** Special thanks to Zurtur to making this signature for me

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