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Ogoel Marek	Posted - 2007.02.13 17:30:00 - [1] Downloading transmission: ---547hadkjg#b57ad72bkaik72h090h@#h8ikkiu__8hmslq *****Download Complete******* Here now, I address you all; tribes of the Minmatar peoples. May God touch your hearts and dissipate all the darkness! As I get close to Republic space for this broadcast, we can look upon the current affairs of the Republic and all its woes. We can also look at the affairs of the Mandate and your separation from us. And... What is it that I discern as I look upon you? I see ships armed and ready to wage war against each other. Brother against brother. Republic pilot against Republic pilot. I also see Mandate pilots ready to fight Republic pilots even though our faces look similar. We all have been creating warriors and support technicians for great military fleets... For what purpose? As a descendant of the Nefantar I was born into a life of service to God and to my fellow man. I know what it feels to be without guidance and the deep need to find a place in life; a ôpurposeö. How many of you go through life in the Republic and ask yourselves... Is all this worth it? What am I fighting for? What purpose does the Republic have? Have you ever asked yourself whose interests the Republic truly serve? Many of you younger Minmatars have heard history as told by you through the words of your leaders. You know only one part of the story. You have heard the story of how the ôEvil Empireö came and brought chaos to your world and enslaved you, etc etc... That is only part of the story. And a partial truth is a total lie. What you haven't been told is that when the Empire found us we had fallen into a deep barbaric state. Even today; your Republic cannot compare to the brutal tribal ceremonies and the savage practices that where used at the time the Empire appeared in our skies. The Empire did us all a favor in trying to correct the state in which we had fallen. But I digress. You haven't been told that in this barbaric condition we mutilated our own bodies and those of our families. Your tribes still hold this traditions though to a much more civilized extent and less gruesome. We glorified war and death. The Amarr began cleansing our wounds and started using those primitive peoples that they found on our region as slaves. They knew that eventually some would find the light of God.
Ogoel Marek	Posted - 2007.02.13 17:30:00 - [2] If you have been told another story, I am sorry, you have been lied to. Some did find the light of God. Although we don't know who was the first. The Nefantar began to come out of obscurity and received the light that is in GOD. God immediately started a miracle of transformation. Slowly but surely the Nefantar started leaving those primitive rituals and ceremonies and started adopting new ways of living as a new tribe with God at its center. God became the tribal chief of the Nefantar, thus we became loyal to God and the Empire. From here on you probably know the story. We started helping the Amarr in the hopes that the rest of the tribes could find transformation through the experience that God offers. We did our best so that the bloodlines could find the peace that only through service to God and Empire can be found. All we received in return was disappointment and pain. There was rebellion and you went your separate ways. Some stayed and joined the Nefantar tribe, but most moved into space and created the instable Republic. A Republic without purpose. There you fly, young Minmatar. Fed Gallente lies. Fed the Minmatar lies of an older generation. There you fly. I call upon you. To create true change. God calls you tonight. He wants you to leave the Republic and stand true to His will and His Holy Empire. Stop being a puppet of the Republic and become a strong individual, fueled by the light of GOD. Come to the Mandate and begin the reconstruction of the real bloodlines. For us to have true bloodlines we must have something that unites us. Unity will not be achieved through hate; hate towards God or the Empire. Those are just excuses for not taking responsibility for our own actions. Unity of the tribes can only be achieved through LOVE. Love of God, and love of His Holy Empire. The Love to serve one another. Come to the mandate young Minmatar, And join the AMMATAR! For GOD, EMPIRE, and Family Ogoel Marek House of Marek
Drethon Gallente Knights Hospitalier	Posted - 2007.02.13 20:48:00 - [3] The Federation does not spread lies. We have all heard the stories of slaves made submissive by drugs and implants. Of the Amarrian attack on the Minmitar home world and the slaughter of your own people. If these are lies, then we have all been lied to. I leave it up to you do decide the truth of the matter.
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.02.13 20:55:00 - [4] Edited by: Agustus Caesar on 13/02/2007 20:52:47 Originally by: Drethon The Federation does not spread lies. We have all heard the stories of slaves made submissive by drugs and implants. Of the Amarrian attack on the Minmitar home world and the slaughter of your own people. If these are lies, then we have all been lied to. I leave it up to you do decide the truth of the matter. Quoted for truth. The Federation didn't kill the Starkamir, the Federation didn't kill our people by the millions via slavery, and the Federation didn't unleash the horrors of vitoc against us; that was the Amarrian Empire. The Federation did however give us the tools to sieze our freedom, the Federation helped us to develop the technology to defend ourselves, and the Federation helped us to make up economically and scietifically for the decades we spent with Amarrian shackles on our wrists. The Federation has done more for the Matari than the Ammarians ever will; all the Empire has contributed is a cause to unite against. It is a pitty that the Federation didn't discover Pator before the Amarrians did. -Caesar -----------------------------
Ostos Marek House of Marek	Posted - 2007.02.13 21:08:00 - [5] Originally by: Agustus Caesar The Federation did however give us the tools to sieze our freedom, the Federation helped us to develop the technology to defend ourselves, and the Federation helped us to make up economically and scietifically for the decades we spent with Amarrian shackles on our wrists. The Federation has done more for the Matari than the Ammarians ever will; all the Empire has contributed is a cause to unite against. It is a pitty that the Federation didn't discover Pator before the Amarrians did. The Federation also spread drugs througout your society (and I'm not talking about Vitoc) that have crippled hundreds of thousands with their addiction and side effects. They also seem not to care about some slavers that have been visiting Federation and Republic space, paying off the Federation politicians to allow illegal slaving within the Republic and the Federation. So to say they don't lie is foolish. Yes the Federation has done much for you. At least we follow the rules we have laid out. Cheers to making laws that the Federation Politicians won't abide to themselves, and cheers to rampant drug addiction and liberalism. Believe in God or suffer Oblivion. This is your FINAL choice. The only choice that matters.
Drethon Gallente Knights Hospitalier	Posted - 2007.02.13 21:43:00 - [6] Yes drugs are a problem and they are just as illegal here as they are in the Empire. Can you prove to me that your high and mighty masters do not taste of the occasional illegitimate pleasure? Can you tell me that none of your citizens ever do anything illegal? Is the Amarrian society really a haven of perfection or is it as simple as those who break the moral laws are "encouraged" to behave or simply disappear? We are all mortals and mortals learn best by learning in our own individual way. If God did not want us to discover our own path we would be born with instruction manuals on how to progress though life. The moment you tell a person that they cannot decided what to do with their own life, you take away one avenue for them to find their own way though life. You may be right, the Amarr may know the true path which everyone should follow. I however am not so arrogant to believe that my beliefs are more true than another's. I will not force my beliefs on you and if you force yours on me or anyone else I will defend our God given right to believe what we want. In the end, God is our judge, not each other.
DutchGunner	Posted - 2007.02.14 14:03:00 - [7] Every once and a while we Minmatar get adressed by Amarr or representatives. Every time they give us the same message: Forget the Republic, come to Amarr, come join the light as you live in darknes. I am Minmatar, and damn proud of it. We lost a great soldier due to internal struggle (in wich some Amarr are certainly to have a hand). You lost an emperor. Yet i wish to speak no harm of him. He was a great and wise man. My point: do not interfere with situation that are not yours to interfere with. We do not speak ill of your empire, just on some of it ethics. We do not judge all Amarr because of the few who are rotten. We may have lived barbaric at the time of your "reclaiming" but in each darknes there is light, and the Amarr at that time thought they should/would bring that light. We do not talk ill about the past, we live in the present. We may be split across the empires, but many will return to the Republic or the fighters of it ideals when the time comes. More powerfull then we could have been when we stayed in the Republic. All Minmatar believe in the Republic and will do what is best for it, in their own way. Dutchgunner out.
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.02.14 15:29:00 - [8] Originally by: Drethon The Federation does not spread lies. We have all heard the stories of slaves made submissive by drugs and implants. Of the Amarrian attack on the Minmitar home world and the slaughter of your own people. If these are lies, then we have all been lied to. I leave it up to you do decide the truth of the matter. The apple does not fall far from the tree, fabricator. The only evidence you use to substantiate your claims is how fluent the masses are with them. This is the method of a professional liar. Originally by: Agustus Caesar The Federation didn't kill the Starkamir, the Federation didn't kill our people by the millions via slavery, and the Federation didn't unleash the horrors of vitoc against us; that was the Amarrian Empire. The Federation did however give us the tools to seize our freedom, the Federation helped us to develop the technology to defend ourselves, and the Federation helped us to make up economically and scietifically for the decades we spent with Amarrian shackles on our wrists. The Federation has done more for the Matari than the Ammarians ever will; all the Empire has contributed is a cause to unite against. It is a pitty that the Federation didn't discover Pator before the Amarrians did. -Caesar More lies! The Starkamir are a myth created by the gallente media to help add fuel to the fires of hatred in the hearts of the impressionable. Evidence of their existence is completely lacking. What kind of person spread such untruths? Either one that is ignorant or malicious. Delictum 23216 Official forums
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.02.14 15:31:00 - [9] Originally by: DutchGunner Every once and a while we Minmatar get adressed by Amarr or representatives. Do not esteem us so high as to label us as "Amarr representatives". To represent the Amarr, we must be paragons of their virtues. We aspire to attain those virtues, and thus cannot be considered representative of them. Delictum 23216 Official forums
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.02.14 16:50:00 - [10] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Originally by: Agustus Caesar The Federation didn't kill the Starkamir, the Federation didn't kill our people by the millions via slavery, and the Federation didn't unleash the horrors of vitoc against us; that was the Amarrian Empire. The Federation did however give us the tools to seize our freedom, the Federation helped us to develop the technology to defend ourselves, and the Federation helped us to make up economically and scietifically for the decades we spent with Amarrian shackles on our wrists. The Federation has done more for the Matari than the Ammarians ever will; all the Empire has contributed is a cause to unite against. It is a pitty that the Federation didn't discover Pator before the Amarrians did. -Caesar More lies! The Starkamir are a myth created by the gallente media to help add fuel to the fires of hatred in the hearts of the impressionable. Evidence of their existence is completely lacking. What kind of person spread such untruths? Either one that is ignorant or malicious. Surely this is a joke, are you seriously suggesting that the Gallante successfully fabricated the existance of an entire tribe with nobody being any the wiser? I've seen some wild conspiracy theories, but this ranks up with the one saying the Amarrians invented gassy foods to keep slaves from being able to run away. You don't know why so little evidence of their existance is about (notice I said little, not none)? Then I suppose your also ignorant of just what sustained orbital bombardment from a battle fleet can do to a planet and it's inhabitants. -Caesar -----------------------------
Ostos Marek House of Marek	Posted - 2007.02.14 16:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Agustus Caesar Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Originally by: Agustus Caesar The Federation didn't kill the Starkamir, the Federation didn't kill our people by the millions via slavery, and the Federation didn't unleash the horrors of vitoc against us; that was the Amarrian Empire. The Federation did however give us the tools to seize our freedom, the Federation helped us to develop the technology to defend ourselves, and the Federation helped us to make up economically and scietifically for the decades we spent with Amarrian shackles on our wrists. The Federation has done more for the Matari than the Ammarians ever will; all the Empire has contributed is a cause to unite against. It is a pitty that the Federation didn't discover Pator before the Amarrians did. -Caesar More lies! The Starkamir are a myth created by the gallente media to help add fuel to the fires of hatred in the hearts of the impressionable. Evidence of their existence is completely lacking. What kind of person spread such untruths? Either one that is ignorant or malicious. Surely this is a joke, are you seriously suggesting that the Gallante successfully fabricated the existance of an entire tribe with nobody being any the wiser? I've seen some wild conspiracy theories, but this ranks up with the one saying the Amarrians invented gassy foods to keep slaves from being able to run away. You don't know why so little evidence of their existance is about (notice I said little, not none)? Then I suppose your also ignorant of just what sustained orbital bombardment from a battle fleet can do to a planet and it's inhabitants. -Caesar I'd like to see this little evidence. I have searched before and turned up nothing on the Starkamir. Believe in God or suffer Oblivion. This is your FINAL choice. The only choice that matters.
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.02.14 17:41:00 - [12] Edited by: Agustus Caesar on 14/02/2007 17:38:21 Originally by: Ostos Marek Originally by: Agustus Caesar Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Originally by: Agustus Caesar The Federation didn't kill the Starkamir, the Federation didn't kill our people by the millions via slavery, and the Federation didn't unleash the horrors of vitoc against us; that was the Amarrian Empire. The Federation did however give us the tools to seize our freedom, the Federation helped us to develop the technology to defend ourselves, and the Federation helped us to make up economically and scietifically for the decades we spent with Amarrian shackles on our wrists. The Federation has done more for the Matari than the Ammarians ever will; all the Empire has contributed is a cause to unite against. It is a pitty that the Federation didn't discover Pator before the Amarrians did. -Caesar More lies! The Starkamir are a myth created by the gallente media to help add fuel to the fires of hatred in the hearts of the impressionable. Evidence of their existence is completely lacking. What kind of person spread such untruths? Either one that is ignorant or malicious. Surely this is a joke, are you seriously suggesting that the Gallante successfully fabricated the existance of an entire tribe with nobody being any the wiser? I've seen some wild conspiracy theories, but this ranks up with the one saying the Amarrians invented gassy foods to keep slaves from being able to run away. You don't know why so little evidence of their existance is about (notice I said little, not none)? Then I suppose your also ignorant of just what sustained orbital bombardment from a battle fleet can do to a planet and it's inhabitants. -Caesar I'd like to see this little evidence. I have searched before and turned up nothing on the Starkamir. You can thank me later. This tale talks about what is generally agreed upon to be the spark that began the Matari revolution and the reason why your plea to join with the Ammatar will fall mostly on deaf ears. Now that you have your evidence and your claim has been disproven perhaps you should find another part of my argument to attempt to pick apart? -Caesar -----------------------------
Ostos Marek House of Marek	Posted - 2007.02.14 18:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Agustus Caesar You can thank me later. This tale talks about what is generally agreed upon to be the spark that began the Matari revolution and the reason why your plea to join with the Ammatar will fall mostly on deaf ears. Now that you have your evidence and your claim has been disproven perhaps you should find another part of my argument to attempt to pick apart? I would hardly call that story evidence of the Empire exterminating a tribe, nor does it prove the existence of said tribe. Your tale here is just that, a tale. It is not historical fact, not recorded in any logs of history books on either side. It is just a tale. Believe in God or suffer Oblivion. This is your FINAL choice. The only choice that matters.
Drethon Gallente Knights Hospitalier	Posted - 2007.02.14 18:19:00 - [14] Originally by: Agustus Caesar Originally by: Ostos Marek ... You can thank me later. This tale talks about what is generally agreed upon to be the spark that began the Matari revolution and the reason why your plea to join with the Ammatar will fall mostly on deaf ears. Now that you have your evidence and your claim has been disproven perhaps you should find another part of my argument to attempt to pick apart? -Caesar I do not ask the Amarr or those who would speak for them to deny that the Federation is not perfect and that we have made many mistakes. I merely ask them to stop denying their own mistakes and acknowledge that because they are not perfect that they cannot dictate though slavery or other methods what they think perfection is.
Ostos Marek House of Marek	Posted - 2007.02.14 18:26:00 - [15] Originally by: Drethon I do not ask the Amarr or those who would speak for them to deny that the Federation is not perfect and that we have made many mistakes. I merely ask them to stop denying their own mistakes and acknowledge that because they are not perfect that they cannot dictate though slavery or other methods what they think perfection is. The Empire does acknowledge its mistakes. It is rooting out all those in violation of poor treatment of slaves, and punishing them accordingly. The Empire also does not claim it is perfect either, and slavery is not to try to force someone to perfection, for we all as humans can never be perfect. Slavery is to force service to God which in many cases leads to enlightenment, not force someone to perfection. The only perfect being is God, we just strive to be as close to him as possible by doing His will. Believe in God or suffer Oblivion. This is your FINAL choice. The only choice that matters.
Drethon Gallente Knights Hospitalier	Posted - 2007.02.14 18:32:00 - [16] Originally by: Ostos Marek The Empire also does not claim it is perfect either, and slavery is not to try to force someone to perfection, for we all as humans can never be perfect. Slavery is to force service to God which in many cases leads to enlightenment, not force someone to perfection. The only perfect being is God, we just strive to be as close to him as possible by doing His will. My apologies, perfection was too strong a term. While you may still disagree, perhaps I should have requested that you stop suggesting that Amarr know the correct path for everyone to follow when even you agree that there are those among you that do not follow the correct path. How are we whom you state are less enlightened to recognize the Amarr who are not following the correct path from those who are following the correct path?
Ostos Marek House of Marek	Posted - 2007.02.14 18:41:00 - [17] Originally by: Drethon My apologies, perfection was too strong a term. While you may still disagree, perhaps I should have requested that you stop suggesting that Amarr know the correct path for everyone to follow when even you agree that there are those among you that do not follow the correct path. How are we whom you state are less enlightened to recognize the Amarr who are not following the correct path from those who are following the correct path? Look to those who follow the scriptures, read them, and see if they abide by it's teachings. Those are the ones who follow the correct path. Believe in God or suffer Oblivion. This is your FINAL choice. The only choice that matters.
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.02.14 18:42:00 - [18] Originally by: Ostos Marek Originally by: Agustus Caesar You can thank me later. This tale talks about what is generally agreed upon to be the spark that began the Matari revolution and the reason why your plea to join with the Ammatar will fall mostly on deaf ears. Now that you have your evidence and your claim has been disproven perhaps you should find another part of my argument to attempt to pick apart? I would hardly call that story evidence of the Empire exterminating a tribe, nor does it prove the existence of said tribe. Your tale here is just that, a tale. It is not historical fact, not recorded in any logs of history books on either side. It is just a tale. sigh This is going nowhere, neither one of us is going to convince the other. Just know this, since your side made the accusation of deciet, the burden of proof is on you; untill the Ammatar/Amarr present some kind of evidence this is a Gallante fabrication (a memo, meeting transcripts, confession from credible Federation official, ect.) I and many like me will err on the side of those who have always been there for us, the Federation. -----------------------------
Ostos Marek House of Marek	Posted - 2007.02.14 18:47:00 - [19] Originally by: Agustus Caesar sigh This is going nowhere, neither one of us is going to convince the other. Just know this, since your side made the accusation of deciet, the burden of proof is on you; untill the Ammatar/Amarr present some kind of evidence this is a Gallante fabrication (a memo, meeting transcripts, confession from credible Federation official, ect.) I and many like me will err on the side of those who have always been there for us, the Federation. I agree that it seems neither of us shall convince the other. In light of the story you have presented though, I shall keep a watchful eye out for any information regarding this, for either side. I do enjoy our talks Agustus, and continue to pray you see the light. Believe in God or suffer Oblivion. This is your FINAL choice. The only choice that matters.
Alexi Borizkova Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.14 20:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Agustus Caesar It is a pitty that the Federation didn't discover Pator before the Amarrians did. -Caesar Am I the only one that got chills down my spine at that statement? I say that the depredations of the federation on the cultures it encounters and attempts to consume is far darker and done with more ill intent than any reasonable accusations towards the empire. I much prefer to see men and women in honest shackles than to hear of them poisoned in their hearts and minds by the honeyed lies of the federation into much the same end.
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.02.14 20:39:00 - [21] Edited by: Agustus Caesar on 14/02/2007 20:35:39 Originally by: Alexi Borizkova Originally by: Agustus Caesar It is a pitty that the Federation didn't discover Pator before the Amarrians did. -Caesar Am I the only one that got chills down my spine at that statement? I say that the depredations of the federation on the cultures it encounters and attempts to consume is far darker and done with more ill intent than any reasonable accusations towards the empire. I much prefer to see men and women in honest shackles than to hear of them poisoned in their hearts and minds by the honeyed lies of the federation into much the same end. You only say that because you've never actually been in "honest" shackles. I don't think you'll find anyone who claims the Federation is perfect, but their flaws and corruptions are entirely optional to adopt. You choose to take drugs, you choose to watch proxxxography (sp?), and you choose to abandon your culture under Federal influence. Under the Amarrians there was no such choice, at best you could choose abandony everything you stood for or die a slow painful death by forced labour. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we have our own independant and free nation; but I'm certian that most if given the choice would choose the Federal rule over Amarrian tyrany. Cultural oppression is quite different than the kind of oppression that comes from the end of shock whips and pain inducing implants. Again, I'm not saying the Federation is perfect, but between the Federation and the Empire; the Federation is the lesser of the evils by a large margin. -Caesar -----------------------------
Ogoel Marek	Posted - 2007.02.15 04:45:00 - [22] Quote: Cultural oppression is quite different than the kind of oppression that comes from the end of shock whips and pain inducing implants. Again, I'm not saying the Federation is perfect, but between the Federation and the Empire; the Federation is the lesser of the evils by a large margin. -Caesar There Augustus, you have shown us a little bit of the obscurity in wich the tribes have fallen. You see yourself plunged in the middle of two evils. On the one hand, and I quote, "cultural oppresion" and in the other the fear of letting go and serving GOD. This disease that plagues your mind is the same that has spread throughout the Federation and has taken a seat, not only in your heart but also, in the heart of the tribes. Let go of this plague and come to the light. Only the light of God will make you happy. Only God is the real choice. Not the "lesser of two evils". Choose the light of God. Come to the Mandate and join your Ammatar brothers in service to the Empire. Your insights are getting you close to seeing the truth. Ogoel Marek. House of Marek
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.02.15 05:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Ogoel Marek Quote: Cultural oppression is quite different than the kind of oppression that comes from the end of shock whips and pain inducing implants. Again, I'm not saying the Federation is perfect, but between the Federation and the Empire; the Federation is the lesser of the evils by a large margin. -Caesar There Augustus, you have shown us a little bit of the obscurity in which the tribes have fallen. You see yourself plunged in the middle of two evils. On the one hand, and I quote, "cultural oppresion" and in the other the fear of letting go and serving GOD. I'm afraid you've misinterpreted my statement, and I dont believe I depicted the Amarr Empire in quite such rosey terms. When I used the term "Cultural Oppression" I was responding to the situation Alexi described, I certianly don't believe the Federation is guilty of such a practice, but even if they were it is certianly a preferable flavor of oppression compared to the very physical brand of oppression the Amarr sport. In the past the Federation was most certianly guilty of such a policy, but those times have long since passed and the Federation is now a diverse and tollerant place, can the Amarr claim the same? I should think not, but to be fair I base that belief on my personal experiences before I entered capsuleering and on the Amarrians I've debated (or in some cases had heated arguments) with on gal-net. Perhaps I should have used a more apropriate term than "lesser of two evils" but for the sake of expediency that is the term I went with, If I truely thought the Federation was evil I wouldnt be so quick and vigorous to defend it's reputation. Originally by: Ogoel Marek This disease that plagues your mind is the same that has spread throughout the Federation and has taken a seat, not only in your heart but also, in the heart of the tribes. Let go of this plague and come to the light. Only the light of God will make you happy. Only God is the real choice. Not the "lesser of two evils". Choose the light of God. Come to the Mandate and join your Ammatar brothers in service to the Empire. I hope you understand if I politely decline your invitation, I have had more than my fill of Imperial hospitality in my childhood; and it is not an experience I wish to repeat. Originally by: Ogoel Marek Your insights are getting you close to seeing the truth. Ogoel Marek. House of Marek I beg to differ, the day I decided to escape slavery was the day the truth dawned upon me. I have already seen the truth, a truth which your privilaged upbringing has shielded you from. One day the truth will seek you out, and I pray on that day you are prepared to accept it. -Agustus Caesar ----------------------------- "Our nation, may she always be right, but our nation right or wrong" - Unknown
Marcus Ravens Minmatar The Department of Justice	Posted - 2007.02.15 11:36:00 - [24] To the Amar I say this, your past is a history book which one day you WILL come to a full account with. Though in what exact form I cannot tell you. But I can guarantee you this. Think not that your society does not see the evils of enslaving and torturing a free and just man. The gears are already in motion, for not all of us continue just the frontal attacks of combat to reverse what misery you spread through slavery. An ever growing number have taken the fight in other manners that will sooner then later shatter the links that have bonded your society from its past, its present and its future. What you started so long ago will come full circle to you and forever leave you changed. To the Amatar I say this, you have chosen your place in life, you have found a freedom that many of us will not know for a long time to come. But ask yourselves at what cost and what price to do you continue to pay to this day. To you Ostos Marek of House Marek I say this, you words are a very sharpe double edged blade. Be careful how you use them. For a truth filled with a lie, wrapped in possible semblances of a half truth and misconceptions will dilute your mind to the point to where you will not know who you are or what you stand for. Especially at the end when the shackles are still there as strong as ever just in a different binding. To all who would endorse slavery, understand that The Department of Justice is an ever growing branch of Concord that is welding more influence with every passing day on the political front and on the forefront of what is a deem evil and uncivilized act by all empires save one; and even this last remaining empire is becoming more aware of the weakness it truly is to process a life in an unnatural bondage dictated by abuse. Times are changing and The Department and my Judges and Agents will be ever increasingly at the core of it. Thus I assure you all, the Justice will be served and no shadow, no matter how far away or how dark a place will remain without its liberating light. Supreme Judge Ravens TDOJ CEO Fleet Command Director
Ostos Marek House of Marek	Posted - 2007.02.15 13:29:00 - [25] Originally by: Marcus Ravens Times are changing and The Department and my Judges and Agents will be ever increasingly at the core of it. Thus I assure you all, the Justice will be served and no shadow, no matter how far away or how dark a place will remain without its liberating light. The only liberating light is that of God. Your Department holds no legal authority within the Empire as of this day, and Concord only is around because of the semblence of peace that currently exists between the factions. Concord will never have enough authority within the Empire or Mandate, or any other region for that matter, to Oppose an Empire's Government and Navy. Believe in God or suffer Oblivion. This is your FINAL choice. The only choice that matters.
Marcus Ravens Minmatar The Department of Justice	Posted - 2007.02.15 13:57:00 - [26] Edited by: Marcus Ravens on 15/02/2007 13:55:56 Edited by: Marcus Ravens on 15/02/2007 13:54:17 God has many names and his interpretation infinate by the decyphering of man. Thus even your misguided, deluded, and politcly tainted interpretation, does not say go out and murder, violate and enslave your fellow man. But given theolgical interpretations aside. God in this day and age holds very little presidance over everyday life, even in your sociaty, in the guidance of the pious and juste. Thus it falls upon all of us, mankind, to guide this. And once again you are misinformed. Concord exists via invitation of all teh current major empires as a necsity to keep the law and order in check. Thus by that mandate and it extension to us does it fall to maintain this balance.
Ostos Marek House of Marek	Posted - 2007.02.15 14:56:00 - [27] Edited by: Ostos Marek on 15/02/2007 15:02:28 Actually god only had one name, and his "interpretations" by others are false. God has His will and His word within the scriptures, leading all to salvation. God in this day and age should hold presidence over everything. Following his will is the key to eternal life and salvation from this world. Not to heed it above all else would be ignorance at it's bessed and the work of the betrayer. You are right that Concord exists via an Invitation. They are there to keep law and order in check, BETWEEN the factions. The fact that they act as police is just a luxury given to them to spare loss of life on each of the factions sides. That invitation can be revoked at any time, by any of the factions. They hold no jurisdiction over any Empire, and thus if war comes again, Concord will lose all privleges they currently have. Believe in God or suffer Oblivion. This is your FINAL choice. The only choice that matters.
Drethon Gallente Knights Hospitalier	Posted - 2007.02.15 18:39:00 - [28] Originally by: Ostos Marek You are right that Concord exists via an Invitation. They are there to keep law and order in check, BETWEEN the factions. The fact that they act as police is just a luxury given to them to spare loss of life on each of the factions sides. That invitation can be revoked at any time, by any of the factions. They hold no jurisdiction over any Empire, and thus if war comes again, Concord will lose all privleges they currently have. Have you not noticed the strength that Concord has gained in the spaces of the empires? Particularly near the capitals or major systems? In all honesty Concord concerns me more than the possibility of your Emperor going insane and ordering the destruction of all non Amarr. I've heard numerous stories of outlaws running from the navies of the empires and surviving but as soon as the perform the least transgression in sight of Concord, they are destroyed with an efficiency that would make a Titan tremble. Concord's intents appear to be honorable but they have so much power gathered over such a large space that they could take over a large portion of the empires before we could even react. If they decided to stop slavery, you might just need God's help to stop them.
Ostos Marek House of Marek	Posted - 2007.02.15 18:48:00 - [29] Originally by: Drethon If they decided to stop slavery, you might just need God's help to stop them. Concord may have a large fleet and a good bit of power, but compare that to the Empire or the Republic or the Federations fleets and you'll see a noticable size difference. Concord has power, but they are spread out, and not matching in size of the Empire or any other factions fleets. They are spread too thin to cause much of a threat at all, and it would take them too long to consolidate their forces on a central location. The Empire could destroy existing Concord within its territory and beging picking the rest of them off long before it's fleets from the far reaches could get there and put up a fight. Concord knows better. If they didn't they would have tried something already. Believe in God or suffer Oblivion. This is your FINAL choice. The only choice that matters.
Dominus1 Gallente Trojan Ink	Posted - 2007.02.15 19:05:00 - [30] Originally by: Ostos Marek Originally by: Drethon If they decided to stop slavery, you might just need God's help to stop them. Concord may have a large fleet and a good bit of power, but compare that to the Empire or the Republic or the Federations fleets and you'll see a noticable size difference. Concord has power, but they are spread out, and not matching in size of the Empire or any other factions fleets. They are spread too thin to cause much of a threat at all, and it would take them too long to consolidate their forces on a central location. The Empire could destroy existing Concord within its territory and beging picking the rest of them off long before it's fleets from the far reaches could get there and put up a fight. Concord knows better. If they didn't they would have tried something already. I would be concerned not only the size of the fleet CONCORD would be bringing to table should it decide to deal with slavery militarily. CONCORD has numerous friends among the corps, alliances and empires. CONCORD would not be alone in efforts to eradicate the Empire. Why do you think that there is a SPCS now? It is yet another obvious ploy of the Amarr Empire to sugar-coat the entire institution of slavery. So by doing this, the Emperor hopes that CONCORD will recognize that Amarr slavery is a humanitarian cause. Of course this further from the truth. Causing trouble as best I can!

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