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Drethon
Gallente Knights Hospitalier
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Posted - 2007.02.13 20:41:00 -
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I was running a mission for a representative of the Federal Intelligence Office in Villore to discover the source of citizens being kidnapped. As I dug deeper I found Caldari and Amarr building an outpost in Villore and using the kidnapped citizens as slaves.
While this was disturbing what was most strange was when I salvaged the Caldari and Amarr ships my ship's computer told me I was salvaging Sansha ships.
Is it possible that much of the increasing tension between the races in Eve are caused by outside influence, in this case the Sansha?
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Dominus1
Gallente Trojan Ink
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Posted - 2007.02.13 21:25:00 -
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I'm not surprised that Sansha is involved.
Thanks for the info.
Dominus
Causing trouble as best I can! |

Agustus Caesar
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.02.13 21:50:00 -
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Your suspicion is understandable; however I think it is merely a software programing error; the recently released salvaging technology is effective in being able to salvage previously useless components of destroyed ships and structures; but there are still some glitches. For example I was salvaging a Caldari State mercenary wreck and the salvager said it was salvaging a Gustiaras (sp?) wreck. While I'm certianly not saying Sansha is above this sort of tactic, I don't think there is anything more sinsiter to this than buggy software.
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Drethon
Gallente Knights Hospitalier
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Posted - 2007.02.13 21:56:00 -
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This is entirely possible. I do not trust the Amarr myself but have always believed that anyone can be reformed. Perhaps it is just my own hopes that the Amarr can become a more open society.
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Dominus1
Gallente Trojan Ink
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Drethon This is entirely possible. I do not trust the Amarr myself but have always believed that anyone can be reformed. Perhaps it is just my own hopes that the Amarr can become a more open society.
That is my hope as well. However recent conversations that I had in the past lead to believe otherwise.
Dominus
Causing trouble as best I can! |

Rikeka
Amarr Eye of God X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.13 23:46:00 -
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Sansha loyalists should not dwell on this Galnet transmissions, no matter the impending urge.
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Cmdr Baxter
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.02.14 00:36:00 -
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Edited by: Cmdr Baxter on 14/02/2007 00:35:54
Originally by: Rikeka Sansha loyalists should not dwell on this Galnet transmissions, no matter the impending urge.
Sansha has long been synonomous for corruption and human abuses that make Vitoc pale in comparison. Quite frankly I'm surprised to learn that he even has one supporter, considering that all the rest have fled or gone underground.
First there was Sansha's Speaker, who made some sort of vague warning against further intrusions into the former territory held by Sansha's Nation. After a couple of saber-rattling comments that received more jeers and laughs than enthusiastic statements, he disappeared into thin air and hasn't been heard from since.
Next came True Core's disappearance and subsequent re-emergence as a quiet and seemingly innocent corporation whose name I don't even want to remember. They claimed to be not-so-innocent, but any true believer would have done more than just lined up to make public comments in support of Sansha's dream, as True Core did when the speaker emerged several months ago.
After that came the defections from Sansha's cause. I have it on good authority that at least one leading figure who formerly espoused the viewpoints of that dead man has defected to a corporation that is probably not going to be seen espousing Sansha's dying viewpoints and thoughts.
So please, don't make me laugh when you say that there are supporters. You're a dying breed that has more bark than bite. But you'd make a good candidate for the Amarrian's new training facility. _________________________________
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Unit Zachary
True Core
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Posted - 2007.02.14 01:38:00 -
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Just because we do not frequent the conversations on these comms does not mean we are nonexistant. We are very much alive.
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Lillith Blackheart
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.02.14 01:46:00 -
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Quote: After that came the defections from Sansha's cause. I have it on good authority that at least one leading figure who formerly espoused the viewpoints of that dead man has defected to a corporation that is probably not going to be seen espousing Sansha's dying viewpoints and thoughts.
If you think my ideals have changed simply due to finding new employment you are sorely mistaken, Mr. Baxter.
Do not expect that Vendrin will be able to silence Sansha's vision.
I am, by far, no defector.
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Nolin Riis
Gallente Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2007.02.14 02:05:00 -
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Edited by: Nolin Riis on 14/02/2007 02:01:40
Originally by: Lillith Blackheart If you think my ideals have changed simply due to finding new employment you are sorely mistaken, Mr. Baxter.
Do not expect that Vendrin will be able to silence Sansha's vision.
I am, by far, no defector.
I saw you in Caldari space with positive standing today and literally did a double take. I'm curious if there's a story behind that!
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Lillith Blackheart
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.02.14 03:25:00 -
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I would deem it likely that there is, yes.
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Father Abel
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.02.14 03:31:00 -
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Quote: If you think my ideals have changed simply due to finding new employment you are sorely mistaken, Mr. Baxter.
Do not expect that Vendrin will be able to silence Sansha's vision.
I am, by far, no defector.
If you are not a defector ...
Out of curiosity, what does this make your employer, given his harboring of a professed Sansha sympathizer?
_____________________ Father Abel - Lieutenant Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Koshmarnaya Akula
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.02.14 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lillith Blackheart
Quote: After that came the defections from Sansha's cause. I have it on good authority that at least one leading figure who formerly espoused the viewpoints of that dead man has defected to a corporation that is probably not going to be seen espousing Sansha's dying viewpoints and thoughts.
If you think my ideals have changed simply due to finding new employment you are sorely mistaken, Mr. Baxter.
Do not expect that Vendrin will be able to silence Sansha's vision.
I am, by far, no defector.
Whoa, creepy.
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Cmdr Baxter
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.02.14 04:32:00 -
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Edited by: Cmdr Baxter on 14/02/2007 04:32:08 Edited by: Cmdr Baxter on 14/02/2007 04:30:25
Originally by: Lillith Blackheart If you think my ideals have changed simply due to finding new employment you are sorely mistaken, Mr. Baxter.
Do not expect that Vendrin will be able to silence Sansha's vision.
I am, by far, no defector.
By all means please enlighten me then. I wasn't aware that Sansha's dream tolerated a spirit of being lax or somewhat flimsy in one's commitments to his dream of a "free" and "independent" nation where all could seek their fortunes.
Indeed, the idea of a supposedly 'committed' believer in his dream not only straying far from the former territory of Sansha's Nation, but developing a friendly relationship with a state whose basic social organization opposes what he allegedly believed in, only serves to reinforce my statement that his dream is dying.
Apparently you must have shared to some degree in this assessment, otherwise you would not be so far from what is your 'home' in what was the former territory of Sansha's Nation. _________________________________
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Milonia
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.02.14 05:13:00 -
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I don't know the conversation that Vendrin had with Ms. Blackheart that convinced him that she is good for APEX, but I trust him. And so far Ms. Blackheart has been helpful. I welcome her in. I am a fresh pilot so I may not know all the politics to any of this but it seems her intentions are good. ============================== Milonia Combat Pilot of the ACV Acadia (Moa) I'm new so be nice!
"Talent is a gift... training opens the Box." |

Usagi Tsukino
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.02.14 12:39:00 -
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She gave me a whole set of really cool looking implants! She can't be that bad! ---
Usagi Tsukino APEX Unlimited; Security Division |

Nolin Riis
Gallente Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2007.02.14 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lillith Blackheart I would deem it likely that there is, yes.
Tease!
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Vendrin
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.02.14 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Father Abel
Quote: If you think my ideals have changed simply due to finding new employment you are sorely mistaken, Mr. Baxter.
Do not expect that Vendrin will be able to silence Sansha's vision.
I am, by far, no defector.
If you are not a defector ...
Out of curiosity, what does this make your employer, given his harboring of a professed Sansha sympathizer?
Well as no doubt your opinion of me is already made up, I doubt it will matter what I will say, but I will answer for other's who migh read this and wonder.
It makes me a person who believes in second chances. _____________________________________
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Lillith Blackheart
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.02.14 21:38:00 -
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Quote: Indeed, the idea of a supposedly 'committed' believer in his dream not only straying far from the former territory of Sansha's Nation, but developing a friendly relationship with a state whose basic social organization opposes what he allegedly believed in, only serves to reinforce my statement that his dream is dying.
Apparently you must have shared to some degree in this assessment, otherwise you would not be so far from what is your 'home' in what was the former territory of Sansha's Nation.
Not at all, I rather completely disagree with that assessment, and find it amusing that you think you have so much insight into something that you have never had first-hand experience with that you may make such a claim.
Perhaps you should simply stick with that which you know.
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Cmdr Baxter
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.02.14 21:49:00 -
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Then as before, I once again ask you to enlighten myself and all capsuleer pilots who have viewed your remarks on this matter. Clearly you feel you have something to share with us, otherwise you would not continue to dispute the points I have raised, while accusing me of being uneducated on the internal workings in what little is left of a dead man's dream.
Perhaps you should refer to the section that preceded the quotation that you so skillfully utilized to bolster your accusastion. I believe that would give you a good place to start from in educating us capsuleer pilots regarding what you apparently feel to be a matter worth defending. _________________________________
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Darina Rea
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Posted - 2007.02.14 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nolin Riis I saw you in Caldari space with positive standing today and literally did a double take. I'm curious if there's a story behind that!
The Caldari pay anyone to get their jobs done, everyone knows that. _________
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Amira Silvermist
The Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2007.02.14 22:53:00 -
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I just know that if the next time I see one of you APEX guys with odd wires coming out of their head, I will keep my distance. 
Amarr racial trait: Nerfbat damage resistance 0% |

Father Abel
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.02.14 23:07:00 -
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Quote: It makes me a person who believes in second chances.
You're right. My mind is already made up.
But even if I had no predispositions toward you, this answer makes no sense at all. I would understand giving a second chance to someone trying to reform their misguided ways, but your current employee Lillith Blackheart has openly declared her continued and unwavering allegiance to the Sansha cause.
Well, for now anyway, this is your problem (or fortune, depending on how you want to construe it).
So I'll just leave it at that. _____________________ Father Abel - Lieutenant Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
"Private property makes a free man a free man." |

Vendrin
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.02.15 08:33:00 -
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I'd go into further explanation, but what is the point with someone who wants to keep their preconceived notions. You are free to join APEXCOM though like any other pilot if you really want to know. _____________________________________
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Father Abel
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.02.15 08:52:00 -
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I am sure there are enough interested parties here to warrant a public explanation. After all, it must be a whopper of a story to justify harboring a professed Sansha -- you know, the one creature whose vileness prompted all empires into some semblance of agreement for once?
_____________________ Father Abel - Lieutenant Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
"Private property makes a free man a free man." |

Irias Salo
Caldari The Star Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.15 19:47:00 -
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I don't doubt there are enough interested parties wanting public explanation. I myself am most interested in this.
Did your plan to obtain technology from the Angel Cartel fail so now your turning to Sansha?
Originally by: Ginger. There is no roleplay, there is only EVE
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Vendrin
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:35:00 -
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Irias, if you want to slander me, at least come up with something that has some basis in reality.
As for a public answer, thankfully APEX is not beholden to the pod pilot public, but it's shareholders. Now if you wish to discuss the matter further, I invite you or any other pilot to join our public channel where a more private discussion can take place, if you ask nicely instead of demanding what you have no right to. _____________________________________
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Irias Salo
Caldari The Star Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:38:00 -
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Slander? Now now Vendrin all I'm refering to is one of the goals of your operations division.
Originally by: Ginger. There is no roleplay, there is only EVE
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Vendrin
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.02.15 22:26:00 -
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Your conspiracy theories are starting to sound as wild as your subordinates Roy Gordon. Our Operations Division deals with administrative duties Irias, as you know quite well.
I would consider heavily on whether you wish to continue this slander, the Caldari Business Tribunal can't look kindly on a man who they have already had to fine heavily, especially when your wild little theories have no basis what so ever. _____________________________________
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Irias Salo
Caldari The Star Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.15 22:40:00 -
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Take it as slander if you want, in my opinion what I asked was a standard question, especially as we both know that the Operations divison does more then puch paper.
Originally by: Ginger. There is no roleplay, there is only EVE
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