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Drethon Gallente Knights Hospitalier	Posted - 2007.02.13 20:41:00 - [1] I was running a mission for a representative of the Federal Intelligence Office in Villore to discover the source of citizens being kidnapped. As I dug deeper I found Caldari and Amarr building an outpost in Villore and using the kidnapped citizens as slaves. While this was disturbing what was most strange was when I salvaged the Caldari and Amarr ships my ship's computer told me I was salvaging Sansha ships. Is it possible that much of the increasing tension between the races in Eve are caused by outside influence, in this case the Sansha?
Dominus1 Gallente Trojan Ink	Posted - 2007.02.13 21:25:00 - [2] I'm not surprised that Sansha is involved. Thanks for the info. Dominus Causing trouble as best I can!
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.02.13 21:50:00 - [3] Your suspicion is understandable; however I think it is merely a software programing error; the recently released salvaging technology is effective in being able to salvage previously useless components of destroyed ships and structures; but there are still some glitches. For example I was salvaging a Caldari State mercenary wreck and the salvager said it was salvaging a Gustiaras (sp?) wreck. While I'm certianly not saying Sansha is above this sort of tactic, I don't think there is anything more sinsiter to this than buggy software. -Caesar -----------------------------
Drethon Gallente Knights Hospitalier	Posted - 2007.02.13 21:56:00 - [4] This is entirely possible. I do not trust the Amarr myself but have always believed that anyone can be reformed. Perhaps it is just my own hopes that the Amarr can become a more open society.
Dominus1 Gallente Trojan Ink	Posted - 2007.02.13 22:04:00 - [5] Originally by: Drethon This is entirely possible. I do not trust the Amarr myself but have always believed that anyone can be reformed. Perhaps it is just my own hopes that the Amarr can become a more open society. That is my hope as well. However recent conversations that I had in the past lead to believe otherwise. Dominus Causing trouble as best I can!
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.13 23:46:00 - [6] Sansha loyalists should not dwell on this Galnet transmissions, no matter the impending urge.
Cmdr Baxter Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.14 00:36:00 - [7] Edited by: Cmdr Baxter on 14/02/2007 00:35:54 Originally by: Rikeka Sansha loyalists should not dwell on this Galnet transmissions, no matter the impending urge. Sansha has long been synonomous for corruption and human abuses that make Vitoc pale in comparison. Quite frankly I'm surprised to learn that he even has one supporter, considering that all the rest have fled or gone underground. First there was Sansha's Speaker, who made some sort of vague warning against further intrusions into the former territory held by Sansha's Nation. After a couple of saber-rattling comments that received more jeers and laughs than enthusiastic statements, he disappeared into thin air and hasn't been heard from since. Next came True Core's disappearance and subsequent re-emergence as a quiet and seemingly innocent corporation whose name I don't even want to remember. They claimed to be not-so-innocent, but any true believer would have done more than just lined up to make public comments in support of Sansha's dream, as True Core did when the speaker emerged several months ago. After that came the defections from Sansha's cause. I have it on good authority that at least one leading figure who formerly espoused the viewpoints of that dead man has defected to a corporation that is probably not going to be seen espousing Sansha's dying viewpoints and thoughts. So please, don't make me laugh when you say that there are supporters. You're a dying breed that has more bark than bite. But you'd make a good candidate for the Amarrian's new training facility. _________________________________ Commanding Officer C.N.S. Resolution-C
Unit Zachary True Core	Posted - 2007.02.14 01:38:00 - [8] Just because we do not frequent the conversations on these comms does not mean we are nonexistant. We are very much alive.
Lillith Blackheart APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.14 01:46:00 - [9] Quote: After that came the defections from Sansha's cause. I have it on good authority that at least one leading figure who formerly espoused the viewpoints of that dead man has defected to a corporation that is probably not going to be seen espousing Sansha's dying viewpoints and thoughts. If you think my ideals have changed simply due to finding new employment you are sorely mistaken, Mr. Baxter. Do not expect that Vendrin will be able to silence Sansha's vision. I am, by far, no defector.
Nolin Riis Gallente Placid Reborn	Posted - 2007.02.14 02:05:00 - [10] Edited by: Nolin Riis on 14/02/2007 02:01:40 Originally by: Lillith Blackheart If you think my ideals have changed simply due to finding new employment you are sorely mistaken, Mr. Baxter. Do not expect that Vendrin will be able to silence Sansha's vision. I am, by far, no defector. I saw you in Caldari space with positive standing today and literally did a double take. I'm curious if there's a story behind that! Never a threat, but always a thorn in the side.

Lillith Blackheart APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.14 03:25:00 - [11] I would deem it likely that there is, yes.
Father Abel Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.14 03:31:00 - [12] Quote: If you think my ideals have changed simply due to finding new employment you are sorely mistaken, Mr. Baxter. Do not expect that Vendrin will be able to silence Sansha's vision. I am, by far, no defector. If you are not a defector ... Out of curiosity, what does this make your employer, given his harboring of a professed Sansha sympathizer? _____________________ Father Abel - Lieutenant Caldari Independent Navy Reserve "Private property makes a free man a free man."
Koshmarnaya Akula Khanid Provincial Vanguard Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.02.14 03:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Lillith Blackheart Quote: After that came the defections from Sansha's cause. I have it on good authority that at least one leading figure who formerly espoused the viewpoints of that dead man has defected to a corporation that is probably not going to be seen espousing Sansha's dying viewpoints and thoughts. If you think my ideals have changed simply due to finding new employment you are sorely mistaken, Mr. Baxter. Do not expect that Vendrin will be able to silence Sansha's vision. I am, by far, no defector. Whoa, creepy.
Cmdr Baxter Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.14 04:32:00 - [14] Edited by: Cmdr Baxter on 14/02/2007 04:32:08 Edited by: Cmdr Baxter on 14/02/2007 04:30:25 Originally by: Lillith Blackheart If you think my ideals have changed simply due to finding new employment you are sorely mistaken, Mr. Baxter. Do not expect that Vendrin will be able to silence Sansha's vision. I am, by far, no defector. By all means please enlighten me then. I wasn't aware that Sansha's dream tolerated a spirit of being lax or somewhat flimsy in one's commitments to his dream of a "free" and "independent" nation where all could seek their fortunes. Indeed, the idea of a supposedly 'committed' believer in his dream not only straying far from the former territory of Sansha's Nation, but developing a friendly relationship with a state whose basic social organization opposes what he allegedly believed in, only serves to reinforce my statement that his dream is dying. Apparently you must have shared to some degree in this assessment, otherwise you would not be so far from what is your 'home' in what was the former territory of Sansha's Nation. _________________________________ This post should not be considered an official statement of CAIN unless otherwise noted.
Milonia Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.14 05:13:00 - [15] I don't know the conversation that Vendrin had with Ms. Blackheart that convinced him that she is good for APEX, but I trust him. And so far Ms. Blackheart has been helpful. I welcome her in. I am a fresh pilot so I may not know all the politics to any of this but it seems her intentions are good. ============================== Milonia Combat Pilot of the ACV Acadia (Moa) I'm new so be nice! "Talent is a gift... training opens the Box."
Usagi Tsukino Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.14 12:39:00 - [16] She gave me a whole set of really cool looking implants! She can't be that bad! --- Usagi Tsukino APEX Unlimited; Security Division
Nolin Riis Gallente Placid Reborn	Posted - 2007.02.14 13:14:00 - [17] Originally by: Lillith Blackheart I would deem it likely that there is, yes. Tease! Never a threat, but always a thorn in the side.
Vendrin Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.14 21:10:00 - [18] Originally by: Father Abel Quote: If you think my ideals have changed simply due to finding new employment you are sorely mistaken, Mr. Baxter. Do not expect that Vendrin will be able to silence Sansha's vision. I am, by far, no defector. If you are not a defector ... Out of curiosity, what does this make your employer, given his harboring of a professed Sansha sympathizer? Well as no doubt your opinion of me is already made up, I doubt it will matter what I will say, but I will answer for other's who migh read this and wonder. It makes me a person who believes in second chances. _____________________________________ APEX Unlimited is recruiting. Join channel APEXCOM for information!
Lillith Blackheart APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.14 21:38:00 - [19] Quote: Indeed, the idea of a supposedly 'committed' believer in his dream not only straying far from the former territory of Sansha's Nation, but developing a friendly relationship with a state whose basic social organization opposes what he allegedly believed in, only serves to reinforce my statement that his dream is dying. Apparently you must have shared to some degree in this assessment, otherwise you would not be so far from what is your 'home' in what was the former territory of Sansha's Nation. Not at all, I rather completely disagree with that assessment, and find it amusing that you think you have so much insight into something that you have never had first-hand experience with that you may make such a claim. Perhaps you should simply stick with that which you know.
Cmdr Baxter Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.14 21:49:00 - [20] Then as before, I once again ask you to enlighten myself and all capsuleer pilots who have viewed your remarks on this matter. Clearly you feel you have something to share with us, otherwise you would not continue to dispute the points I have raised, while accusing me of being uneducated on the internal workings in what little is left of a dead man's dream. Perhaps you should refer to the section that preceded the quotation that you so skillfully utilized to bolster your accusastion. I believe that would give you a good place to start from in educating us capsuleer pilots regarding what you apparently feel to be a matter worth defending. _________________________________ This post should not be considered an official statement of CAIN unless otherwise noted.

Darina Rea	Posted - 2007.02.14 22:28:00 - [21] Originally by: Nolin Riis I saw you in Caldari space with positive standing today and literally did a double take. I'm curious if there's a story behind that! The Caldari pay anyone to get their jobs done, everyone knows that. _________ Time is on our side.
Amira Silvermist The Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.02.14 22:53:00 - [22] I just know that if the next time I see one of you APEX guys with odd wires coming out of their head, I will keep my distance. Amarr racial trait: Nerfbat damage resistance 0%
Father Abel Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.14 23:07:00 - [23] Quote: It makes me a person who believes in second chances. You're right. My mind is already made up. But even if I had no predispositions toward you, this answer makes no sense at all. I would understand giving a second chance to someone trying to reform their misguided ways, but your current employee Lillith Blackheart has openly declared her continued and unwavering allegiance to the Sansha cause. Well, for now anyway, this is your problem (or fortune, depending on how you want to construe it). So I'll just leave it at that. _____________________ Father Abel - Lieutenant Caldari Independent Navy Reserve "Private property makes a free man a free man."
Vendrin Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.15 08:33:00 - [24] I'd go into further explanation, but what is the point with someone who wants to keep their preconceived notions. You are free to join APEXCOM though like any other pilot if you really want to know. _____________________________________ APEX Unlimited is recruiting. Join channel APEXCOM for information!
Father Abel Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.15 08:52:00 - [25] I am sure there are enough interested parties here to warrant a public explanation. After all, it must be a whopper of a story to justify harboring a professed Sansha -- you know, the one creature whose vileness prompted all empires into some semblance of agreement for once? _____________________ Father Abel - Lieutenant Caldari Independent Navy Reserve "Private property makes a free man a free man."
Irias Salo Caldari The Star Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.15 19:47:00 - [26] I don't doubt there are enough interested parties wanting public explanation. I myself am most interested in this. Did your plan to obtain technology from the Angel Cartel fail so now your turning to Sansha? Originally by: Ginger. There is no roleplay, there is only EVE
Vendrin Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:35:00 - [27] Irias, if you want to slander me, at least come up with something that has some basis in reality. As for a public answer, thankfully APEX is not beholden to the pod pilot public, but it's shareholders. Now if you wish to discuss the matter further, I invite you or any other pilot to join our public channel where a more private discussion can take place, if you ask nicely instead of demanding what you have no right to. _____________________________________ APEX Unlimited is recruiting. Join channel APEXCOM for information!
Irias Salo Caldari The Star Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:38:00 - [28] Slander? Now now Vendrin all I'm refering to is one of the goals of your operations division. Originally by: Ginger. There is no roleplay, there is only EVE
Vendrin Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:26:00 - [29] Your conspiracy theories are starting to sound as wild as your subordinates Roy Gordon. Our Operations Division deals with administrative duties Irias, as you know quite well. I would consider heavily on whether you wish to continue this slander, the Caldari Business Tribunal can't look kindly on a man who they have already had to fine heavily, especially when your wild little theories have no basis what so ever. _____________________________________ APEX Unlimited is recruiting. Join channel APEXCOM for information!
Irias Salo Caldari The Star Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:40:00 - [30] Take it as slander if you want, in my opinion what I asked was a standard question, especially as we both know that the Operations divison does more then puch paper. Originally by: Ginger. There is no roleplay, there is only EVE

Koshmarnaya Akula Khanid Provincial Vanguard Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:46:00 - [31] Space madness is contagious!
Tek Avellos Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.15 23:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Irias Salo Take it as slander if you want, in my opinion what I asked was a standard question, especially as we both know that the Operations divison does more then puch paper. Ridiculous statements from one who used forced laber to build his medical facility.
Irias Salo Caldari The Star Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.15 23:06:00 - [33] Originally by: Tek Avellos Ridiculous statements from one who used forced laber to build his medical facility. What? Slave labour? A nice attempt at slander, but its well known that I'm against slave labour. Originally by: Ginger. There is no roleplay, there is only EVE
Tek Avellos Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.16 00:15:00 - [34] Of course you are. You also follow all State laws and never performed any inhumane experiments. I wonder what the true purpose of the Apollonia facility is.
Irias Salo Caldari The Star Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.16 00:22:00 - [35] I take it you were the man Agent Wolf choose for the security test? Its also well known that I don't follow all State laws so don't go there as the same can be said of APEX. As for inhumane experiements, performed during my time in APEX for biological study, I'm a engineer not a biologist. You are also invited for a tour of the Apollonia Medical facility if you wish. Originally by: Ginger. There is no roleplay, there is only EVE
Tek Avellos Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.16 00:27:00 - [36] Edited by: Tek Avellos on 16/02/2007 00:23:48 I would be highly interested in a tour of the facilities.
Irias Salo Caldari The Star Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.16 00:32:00 - [37] Then if you would stop by New Caldari on Saturday I'll take you on a tour myself, a few members of the Megacorporations are having a VIP tour I'm sure that they'd be pleased that a pilot would join them. Originally by: Ginger. There is no roleplay, there is only EVE
Lillith Blackheart APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.16 19:45:00 - [38] Since Mr. Baxter requested. . . Quote: By all means please enlighten me then. I wasn't aware that Sansha's dream tolerated a spirit of being lax or somewhat flimsy in one's commitments to his dream of a "free" and "independent" nation where all could seek their fortunes. Quite simply it is difficult to be lax in a commitment to freedom and independence, Mr. Baxter. Simply choosing to pursue a specific action is an exercise of freedom and independence in and of itself. I had not replied to that little tidbit as I had, apparently incorrectly, assumed that you were capable of such simple logic of your own devices. My commitment has not wavered simply because you fail to know, see, or understand my motivations.
Koshmarnaya Akula Khanid Provincial Vanguard Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:42:00 - [39] Hush! If you all don't stop talking about "freedom" then sooner or later the SF people will come here. Thats just way to much work.
IzzyChan Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:47:00 - [40] All this squabbling over a poser makes me laugh. Hehe, you guys are silly. --------------------

Lillith Blackheart APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:27:00 - [41] What should I care whether or not the Fraction decides to shove their grubby little noses into things? I do not suspect it will be much of a problem, if they do. As for you, Izzy, that was highly uncalled for, my friend.
IzzyChan Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:53:00 - [42] Originally by: Lillith Blackheart What should I care whether or not the Fraction decides to shove their grubby little noses into things? I do not suspect it will be much of a problem, if they do. As for you, Izzy, that was highly uncalled for, my friend. Friend? Never seen you before in my life. --------------------
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.19 20:29:00 - [43] My prediction is that Sansha's time is numbered. You are in 0.0 space, and nowhere near the empires. Pretty soon, BoB or D2 or someone will decide to take your territory. And you will go 'squish'. __________________________________________ What I say should not be taken as the position of Gradient or NMTZ.
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.02.19 20:38:00 - [44] Originally by: Nachshon My prediction is that Sansha's time is numbered. You are in 0.0 space, and nowhere near the empires. Pretty soon, BoB or D2 or someone will decide to take your territory. And you will go 'squish'. If only....Sansha's Nation has already "died" once, only to crop back up in previously unexplored systems, I have little doubt that Sansha has anticipated territorial power plays by the 0.0 alliances neighboring Stain, and probably has a considerable presence in systems not yet linked by stargates. Sansha's Nation has already been attacked by an overwhelimg force in the form of the 4 empires, and look how that turned out. The problem with declaring Sansha's Nation dead is, to put it rather simplisticly, they don't know how to die. ----------------------------- "Our nation, may she always be right, but our nation right or wrong" - Unknown
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.19 20:58:00 - [45] I was unaware of that. Though if Sansha hides out in systems that lack stargates, they aren't much of a threat are they? Actually, that would be a great idea. The Sanshas can go and build their utopia someplace else, and not bother us. Would that be so bad? __________________________________________ What I say should not be taken as the position of Gradient or NMTZ.
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.02.19 22:24:00 - [46] Originally by: Nachshon I was unaware of that. Though if Sansha hides out in systems that lack stargates, they aren't much of a threat are they? Actually, that would be a great idea. The Sanshas can go and build their utopia someplace else, and not bother us. Would that be so bad? Unfortunately here's where I must venture off into conjecture. I doubt Sansha would be content with just ruling his remote domain of space; while his Nation is by no mean an iminent threat, Sansha and his minions (by their sheer nature) aren't likely to die natural deaths. therefore they can take as long as they please to rebuild; periodicly rading remote systems for more slaves to fill their ranks. If my hypothesis proves true then the only way we'll be hearing from Sansha will be by way of a massive invasion force, again this is probably decades even centuries off; but time has little meaning for the deathless creatures of Sansha's Nation. I wish the solution would be as simple as letting Sansha keep to his corner of the cluster, but I suspect it is only a matter of time before he will return to reclaim his old domain. -Caesar ----------------------------- "Our nation, may she always be right, but our nation right or wrong" - Unknown
Unit Zachary True Core	Posted - 2007.02.19 23:04:00 - [47] Your various theories and suggestions amuse me, but do not worry... The Nation's motives will be made clear when the time is right.
Milonia Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.20 00:03:00 - [48] Originally by: Irias Salo Its also well known that I don't follow all State laws so don't go there as the same can be said of APEX. As a new pilot serving APEX I am appalled at this statement! After joining APEX, all I have been taught and all I have witnessed has been law abiding and honerable actions. The pilots of APEX are not ones to go against the state in any way. If this is how you view APEX then I can not take any of your other words for truth either. ============================== Milonia Combat Pilot of the ACV Acadia (Moa) I'm new so be nice! "Talent is a gift... training opens the Box."
Lillith Blackheart APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.20 00:21:00 - [49] Quote: If my hypothesis proves true then the only way we'll be hearing from Sansha will be by way of a massive invasion force, again this is probably decades even centuries off; but time has little meaning for the deathless creatures of Sansha's Nation. Why attack by force when you can claim from within? You have a very short-sighted, simplistic view of things, of course, I do not find that to be unexpected of a minmatar.
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.02.20 01:04:00 - [50] Originally by: Lillith Blackheart Quote: If my hypothesis proves true then the only way we'll be hearing from Sansha will be by way of a massive invasion force, again this is probably decades even centuries off; but time has little meaning for the deathless creatures of Sansha's Nation. Why attack by force when you can claim from within? You have a very short-sighted, simplistic view of things, of course, I do not find that to be unexpected of a minmatar. Hard to claim something from within when you've just laid your intentions out for all to see, I do believe your right to call me simplistic has just been revoked. Congrats on making your employer have to work that much harder to justify employing you. -Caesar ----------------------------- "Our nation, may she always be right, but our nation right or wrong" - Unknown

Lillith Blackheart APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.20 02:04:00 - [51] Quote: Hard to claim something from within when you've just laid your intentions out for all to see, I do believe your right to call me simplistic has just been revoked. Congrats on making your employer have to work that much harder to justify employing you. If you wish to view it that way, I suppose. However there could be far more involved than anything I have stated, in fact it would be wise of you to underestimate me or the Nation. What I do are in my interests, Matari. Nothing more. That is the point of Freedoms, after all. Simply because I attempt to forward the Nation does not mean that I am under orders to accomplish anything for them. It is not a place where you are required to serve, like the State, or forced to serve, like the Empire. You serve when, how, and where you choose. If you choose not to, then go on about your business, so long as you do not work to the Nation's detriment. My right to call you simplistic has not been revoked. You did make quite a good example of what I suggested, in all actuality.
Irias Salo Caldari The Star Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.23 07:28:00 - [52] Originally by: Cloora Maybe that is why one should NOT be overly inebriated while flying a ship. Or perchance you were not flying at the time of the tranmission, either way, intentially lowering your process of intelligent thought through a depressant is the mark of poor willpower. Or trying to drown some sort of sorrows. Bachelors party actually. Originally by: Ginger. There is no roleplay, there is only EVE
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.23 11:10:00 - [53] This thread tickled me alright. If anything, Sansha has been the single biggest reason for the empires to come together, not rift. Quite an achievement if you ask me. "But here is the smell of the blood still and all the perfumes of Khanid will not sweeten this little rose"


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