You are not beating the Imperium. The Imperium is too busy dealing with trolls. You want to prove something, separate yourself from the noise of the trolls, try holding Vale under your flag and let us see some ADMs.

To be fair, Aegis sov is less than perfect, let's say.

But this has been discussed already half a year ago. We proved it ourselves in providence. Two more kind of whiny posts won't change that now.

You... You lost the providence conflict.



Like, BADLY. We still laugh about how badly you lost it.

Perspective. We burned a regions worth of Ihubs in less than a week, which in my book should not be possible. But as I said - this has been discussed, and apparently it's intended. So, we'll have to deal with it, just like SMA and everybody else.

Well. SMA. For now. Till they realize they're just meatshields for GSF.

:cripes:

We burned a regions worth of Ihubs in less than a week.

:cripes:

that condor is a real threat. You have to stop what you are doing, dock-up, re-ship, go through all the work of organizing a new fleet, hope you bio'd recently, and go deal with it.

As I write this post:

The median price of an iHub is 781 million isk, sans any upgrades, sans any invested maintenance fees, sans player time.
The median price of an entosis link is 32 million isk.
The median price of a condor is .47 million isk.

781 million is no where near 32.5 million in value.

I am not in any sort of leadership role in my alliance. I am not an FC, or anything special. I'm just another guy in the line, but I do have opinions. I'm pissed that some two day old alt blows up our iHub in a condor and I'm supposed to feel like Troll Sov is a good thing?

I hope iHubs will become invulnerable, because under the new sovereignty system they are far too easy to destroy. This current system discourages one of the most significant benefits of owning sovereignty, PVE activity.


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As I write this post:

The median price of an iHub is 781 million isk, sans any upgrades, sans any invested maintenance fees, sans player time.
The median price of an entosis link is 32 million isk.
The median price of a condor is .47 million isk.

781 million is no where near 32.5 million in value.

Want to effectively raise and maintain you indexes, you have to have an iHub in system and you need players that are both available and committed to PvE activity.

How large is the difference between the training requirements and activity risk between the two activities: anchoring and maintaining an iHub plus indexing vs. flying a T1 entosis frigate into Null Space?


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Certainly, I do not blame Trolls for being who they are. I do wish that CCP, you would come to understand that this is not a sovereignty system for small alliances, nor is this a sovereignty system for PvE players. It is a sovereignty system for PvP trolls. This system is heavily skewed toward the attacker. This system discourages one of most significant reasons behind owning sovereignty, PvE activity.

For three months we have been battling this March of the Trolls. (The Troll March is here to cause grief, not actually fight for space.) The Trolls form a fleet and their alts jump into T1 entosis frigates. While we try to engage their fleet, their alts run around entosising whatever they find.

Miners and ratters, it takes several of us spending many man hours hours in a single system trying to raise the indexes or fight decay. The Troll March only has to show up for the timer and the troll only comes in with a single T1 frigate to wipe out all that hard work and we lose our anomalies.

OR...

They send a bunch of trolls all over space to set notifications. In the old SoV system, we could send an interceptor to see that it was just some trolls hitting a PoCo. We could keep an eye on them, but they're weren't a real threat on their own, because a few trolls will not burn through all those shields. Not so in Troll Sov. In Troll Sov, that condor is a real threat. You have to stop what you are doing, dock-up, re-ship, go through all the work of organizing a new fleet, hope you bio'd recently, and go deal with it. Constant interruptions to our game time and constant interruptions to our socializing.

When this system released, I was very excited, because there seemed to be a direct path, other than tax, for my PvE activities to help the alliance PvP activity. Now that I'm living with the Troll March in system, who cares if the entosis cycle is 10 minutes longer. The Trolls just brought more trolls in T1 frigates. Plus, there seems to be no day off from the timers. Every day, during my play time, more timers, so I'm in my Logi ship not my ratting or mining ship.

I hope these iHubs change to be invulnerable, they become cheaper or we see some significant relief from vulnerability windows. CCP, you got your war, you got your propaganda, give me some time to shoot rocks with my friends. We're tired of the trolls.









P.S. To Pandemic Legion. This is not about you: PL proper, Waffles and your horde. We've been kicking your ass since January. (You DID NOT flip a timer without NC.) It's all these damn trolls.

As a few words of caution to your PL brand. Who are you? Used to be fighting PL was like getting whelped by Rooks and Kings. A good fight was something you were kinda proud of being able to bring. PL could bring the same doctrine, fewer numbers, out maneuver and win. That used to be okay, because back then you were PL.

Now you are people who blob small T1 fleets in your Command Ships or T3s. Or... the gate campers on the P-33 gate. On more than one occasion, PL, proper line members, have rolled over miners that fought back without putting a GF in local. Instead, we get hate speech in response to our own GFs. LOW CLASS. Is it your association with the trolls rubbing off? It's interesting to see you coming down to our level, but now, should we still compare PL to Rooks and Kings or should we compare you to The Marmite Collective?

While in EvE University, we had regular visits from Waffles and PL leadership. They spoke to us about an organization that focuses and prides itself on operational excellence and execution, and at some level, space bushido. Now, you're camping my gate in P-33. You'll get more kill mails on the Stacmon gate in Ostingele.

You are not beating the Imperium. The Imperium is too busy dealing with trolls. You want to prove something, separate yourself from the noise of the trolls, try holding Vale under your flag and let us see some ADMs.

In Troll Sov, that condor is a real threat. You have to stop what you are doing, dock-up, re-ship, go through all the work of organizing a new fleet, hope you bio'd recently, and go deal with it. Constant interruptions to our game time and constant interruptions to our socializing.

No need to worry as you won't have any space by the end of this month.

Even if so, all allies are welcome to crash at our place until the vermin issue has been taken care of.

Might want to pass that with The Mittani, I beleive he ordered all the "valued allies" to group up between Dek and the angry mob.

You don't need a fleet to deal with a lone entosis condor. Try something like this:

As long as there is sovereign space, no reason not to use it. I've been making space money in Pure Blind last week, and I didn't feel too meatshieldy. Actually, I didn't notice any more enemy presence than I'm used to from ratting in Deklein anyway. Try harder.

Also, didn't your alliance abuse this same thing when you went to Providence? Or am I just confused?

Yes. One reason to do so among others was to show that the system is kind of silly.

Which is why Provi is doing so well they took a MERC CONTRACT to come burn down your home.

You have to stop what you are doing, dock-up, re-ship, go through all the work of organizing a new fleet, hope you bio'd recently, and go deal with it.

Patience, young padawan. We'll get to you once the boredom starts outweighing the grr.

edit: after reading that kind of tl;dr;-ish post from that sniggerdly guy on the top of the page, I kind of have to agree.

Now, as I said before - the system is ****. So was Dominion and so was POS-spam-Sov. Crying about Aegis hasn't fixed it in the past 8 months or so, and it sure as **** won't fix it now. Like so often, HTFU is the bottom line here.

This thread is embarrassing.

Patience, young padawan. We'll get to you once the boredom starts outweighing the grr.

What will SMA ever do without those two renter corps and a perfidious ex-S2N corp?

Apparently, the answer to this question is "undergo complete failure cascade, lose all their leadership, and slink away to die in Outer Ring."

Who'da thunk it?