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CCP Abraxas
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Posted - 2007.02.13 23:34:00 -
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Today we have two new Chronicles for you.
The first is Methods of Torture - The Caldari, the last in the torture tetralogy. As I mentioned in relation to the Gallente story, this one serves as a counterpoint, and is as cerebral as the Gallente one was physical.
The second is on the Amarr order known as The Speakers of Truth. They've been quiet for a long while, but may not be much longer.
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm
Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2007.02.13 23:58:00 -
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"It is a symptom of madness that thoughts become uncontrollably disjointed. This can be encouraged."
^^ this may be goin in my bio 
sounds like the dude got the hi-tech caldari equivalent of a transorbital lobotomy, which is right up my alley of entertainment!
again, well done.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.02.14 00:10:00 -
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Deal the least amount of damage to acheive a purpose.
Don't kill for the sake of killing, keep your subject alive to serve its purpose as deterrent for others.
Don't take pleasure in dealing pain. Heck, don't deal physical pain at all, if possible. If you must kill, do it quick and clean.
Cold, methodical efficiency. Nothing more, nothing less.
Well, what can I say, Caldari at its best.
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Se'la Rox
Caldari
Contempo Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.02.14 00:18:00 -
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...and that is quite possibly the scariest Chronicle so far 
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Grimpak
Gallente
Twisted Attitude
Apocalyptica.
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Posted - 2007.02.14 00:19:00 -
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by the gods, caldarians are truly cruel
...the prospect of turning someone insane like that really turns me on
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 Originally by: Tiuwaz
for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons 
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Pellaeon DuGalle
Caldari
Deep Black Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.14 00:51:00 -
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/emote whimpers
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Jacob Castillo
Caldari
Copperhead Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.14 01:08:00 -
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Note to self: Do not **** off the Caldari.
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SonOTassadar
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.14 05:46:00 -
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I love it.
However, if it were me, I would be more of a Gallente-style torturer. Not that I would ever, you know, do things like that. >_>
Don't give me that look.
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Maze La'Zie
Caldari
Technology La'Zie
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Posted - 2007.02.14 08:45:00 -
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Oh yes.
Ouch.
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Ms Freak
Amarr
NCN Corp
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.02.14 09:52:00 -
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Well,
These 4 chronicals have been very good. Each with thier own unique, slightly twisted edge.
I think the Galentte one was the most disturbing for me, and the minmatar once the most phycological (for me anyways).
Very nice work, i enjoyed reading them all.
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Stitcher
Caldari
J.I.T. Enterprises
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.14 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Castillo
Note to self: Do not **** off the Caldari.
QFT.
Outstanding stuff, and IMO the best of the lot.
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Kylania
Gallente
Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.14 16:51:00 -
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Wow.. well done, didn't think I could feel more creepy than the fedo one, but you've done it. 
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Lady Kinla
Dark Empire Fleet
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Posted - 2007.02.14 17:42:00 -
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Makes me proud to be Caldari!
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xeom
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.02.14 19:09:00 -
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Wait wait did the guy ever get free?
Or was the whole time he traped,and just going mad?
Like including the part where he wen't shoping and found the old friend?
What was the point of leaving him with the images behind his eyes?
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Kanthras
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: xeom
Wait wait did the guy ever get free?
Or was the whole time he traped,and just going mad?
Like including the part where he wen't shoping and found the old friend?
What was the point of leaving him with the images behind his eyes?
I think they let him go free, but the constant images would keep torturing him into insanity for the rest of his life.
Scary... 
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.14 22:34:00 -
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Lets see, having your body shredded, or your mind minced? How could you possibly choose? 
Another *****er, keep 'em coming Abraxas!
I'll save the Speakers of Truth one for a bit later, I think. With this whole 2-week schedule thing, I should pace myself 
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Originally by: Constantine Arcanum
most problems can be solved with chloroform.
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Se'la Rox
Caldari
Contempo Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.02.14 23:33:00 -
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Edited by: Se''la Rox on 14/02/2007 23:30:08
Originally by: Kanthras
I think they let him go free, but the constant images would keep torturing him into insanity for the rest of his life.
Into insanity? I'd say that he went into insanity, through insanity and came out the other side into somewhere even weirder 
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Liisa
Freelancing Corp
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.15 00:18:00 -
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Well, that really was an eye opener. My take is that the person is allowed to steadily progress into insanity while the whole community is forced to watch. The induced images together with the isolation ... it makes me shudder.
Something that bothered me, though I might just have missed it, is that there seems to be no explicit conditioning that stops the subject from commiting suicide. Is this because the person is allowed to escape his punishment (through suicide) and thus showing how weak he is or was is such a prevention there, just simply not mentioned because it would detract from the main point of the story?
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.15 00:48:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 15/02/2007 00:44:43
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Originally by: Constantine Arcanum
most problems can be solved with chloroform.
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xeom
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.02.15 03:21:00 -
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What would be the point of toturing him for the rest of his life?
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Indra Sebuchiore
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.02.15 09:21:00 -
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It reminds me a lot of the end 1984, where Winston Smith is released once he has been broken, and everyone avoids him. He knows that one day the bullet in the back of his neck will come, and he rejoices for this day.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Twisted Attitude
Apocalyptica.
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Posted - 2007.02.15 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: xeom
What would be the point of toturing him for the rest of his life?
example.
simple as.
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Originally by: Tiuwaz
for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
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Hon Kovell
Gallente
Intaki Peace
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Posted - 2007.02.15 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: xeom
What was the point of leaving him with the images behind his eyes?
There's some differences between Caldari and Gallente cultures but their shared history is showing here. They're both quite capable of getting whatever information they want with ease. Their torture is for show, to set an example.
Just like in the Gallente story, he's really being used as an example to others. Don't cause trouble or you will be damaged and images left in your mind to torture you for the rest of your life. They did the same in the Gallente story - they just didn't need the implant since the subject had a short life expectancy. |
Ket Halpak
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 02:24:00 -
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I found the difference between the caldari and the gallente meathods was that the caldari torturers were doctors, who were perceived as being cold, mechanical and precise. They did what was necessary to make an example out of someone in their own uniqe way.
The gallente torturers were more personal with the victim and seemed to take enjoyment in the fear they inflicted, such as by showing him the tools of torture and asking him what he could do, even though there was no correct answer.
Great stories the torture series.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:11:00 -
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Very 1984ish
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Matrix Aran
Black Lance
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:09:00 -
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Now thats it! Definately the right tone this time, disturbing and nothing about it feels out of place or excessive. It never breaks the imersion in the story. Very reminisant of the Manchurian Candidate (probably the remake, never got a chance to see the original), very creepy.
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Matrix Aran
Black Lance
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:09:00 -
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Now thats it! Definately the right tone this time, disturbing and nothing about it feels out of place or excessive. It never breaks the imersion in the story. Very reminisant of the Manchurian Candidate (probably the remake, never got a chance to see the original), very creepy.
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Lady Kinla
Dark Empire Fleet
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Posted - 2007.02.18 17:03:00 -
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This one actually gave me goosebumps.  It is by far the scariest of the series.
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DarVellon
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.19 09:58:00 -
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Edited by: DarVellon on 19/02/2007 09:56:17
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: xeom
What would be the point of toturing him for the rest of his life?
example.
simple as.
I disagree, as his 'old friend' was 'treated' the same way it's not an example.
It is efficient, that is all.
This way the offender can never gain any job or function of power or control. His 'treatment' would prevent this.
But he will still be usefull as a common worker.
The Gallente have to many people it seems.. Caldari however do not waste workforce....
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Jaerl
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.19 12:50:00 -
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Definitely worth the wait for this last torture chronicle, the best of them imo, followed closely by the Amarr one cos it was just so godammned funny.
Caldari = win
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Eewec Ourbyni
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.22 09:10:00 -
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Somehow, I like the caldari all the more for this story.
This is a sig...
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.02.22 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Liisa
Well, that really was an eye opener. My take is that the person is allowed to steadily progress into insanity while the whole community is forced to watch. The induced images together with the isolation ... it makes me shudder.
Something that bothered me, though I might just have missed it, is that there seems to be no explicit conditioning that stops the subject from commiting suicide. Is this because the person is allowed to escape his punishment (through suicide) and thus showing how weak he is or was is such a prevention there, just simply not mentioned because it would detract from the main point of the story?
Comitting suicide would perfectly serve the caldari needs as well - think about it. The entire point of his 'torture' was to make an example out of him, as someone who succumbed to a petty temptation for vague thoughts of personal gain. This signifies a moment of intellectual weakness and a loss of the willpower to control himself. If he committed suicide, it would also signify a loss of willpower - the will to live with his crimes and his social exile. He would make an example of himself as the ultimate weakness, not only did he commit theft without the intelligence to do so without getting caught, but to escape his punishment he killed himself. Either way, he makes a perfect example.
A scary people, the Caldari are.
took the words right out of my mouth. Really disturbing when you think about it
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CCP Abraxas
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Posted - 2007.02.23 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Comitting suicide would perfectly serve the caldari needs as well - think about it. The entire point of his 'torture' was to make an example out of him, as someone who succumbed to a petty temptation for vague thoughts of personal gain. This signifies a moment of intellectual weakness and a loss of the willpower to control himself. If he committed suicide, it would also signify a loss of willpower - the will to live with his crimes and his social exile. He would make an example of himself as the ultimate weakness, not only did he commit theft without the intelligence to do so without getting caught, but to escape his punishment he killed himself. Either way, he makes a perfect example.
A scary people, the Caldari are.
That's about it. The Caldari have far more of a rigid social construct to their lives than the Gallente do, and hence there is really no need to do anything other than implant the chip. The victim will supply the rest of the torture, and he will do it for as long as he possibly can, only to succumb in the end feeling that he has failed his torturers yet again. I suppose you might call it a version of the Stockholm Syndrome.
But there's another level to this story, too. Remember the last part, about how the reality he has created may have become grossly distorted and even fictional. When you think about it, there really isn't any objective view to this story; all you're told is filtered through the protagonist's head. The closest we come to objectivity is in the present, when he's laying in a (yes, possibly imagined) field, and what do we see there? He reaches for a single straw and breaks it. Later on, he crushes a butterfly and rubs its blood over himself.
Now yes, all right, both of these things may symbolize what has happened to him: he is the straw that was broken, he is the butterfly that was crushed. But they also hint at the possibility that maybe he isn't the innocent little lamb he thinks of himself as being. What the "doctors" did to him was undoubtedly real, but the reason they did it may not necessarily be what he tells himself (and us).
You have to wonder at why his friend is apparently able to withstand whatever picture is being shown on his eyes, while the protagonist is being driven mad with his own. Possibly there's a difference of degree in the crimes they committed. In fact, the red, red picture our protagonist sees may be of something that he himself did ...
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