What Jack says - to a degree at least. My issue with this is not so much the "world" part, but the "bee" part. It implies it's all about Goonswarm Federation when it's not. Would be the same as calling it "World War Bastion", "World War Northerncoalitiondotte" or calling the Second World War "World War Japan". Calling it "World War Monkey" would be more accurate than this.

I understand it's a wordplay, and I am kind of fine with this (it's better than "The Easter War" in any case), but it's also disrespectful and inaccurate.

It's so unfair. All we wanted to do was rent out low sec and cull the weak. Hopefully history will remember us as the benevolent overlords we were. Toppled by peasant hordes out of jealousy for our wealth and beauty.

Couldn't seem to find that...care to elaborate?

It's actually a misnomer. Weedotting(verb) an Alliance means turning them into badposters.

Where on earth are you getting your information? Fleets are going out all the time...

For some people it's really not a game though. IWI is a site operating as a business using third party software to gain an advantage. At this point it's pretty much stopped being a game. It's not about players using their in-game abilities to fight each other it's about trying to figure out how to stop someone who's using untouchable third party software from picking and choosing targets to eradicate from the game while simultaneously playing with bad mechanics.

It's like back when I played CS and a hacker would come in and join your team speeding his way around knifing everyone to death. Sure at first it was funny to watch the enemy getting smashed to pieces but pretty rapidly it loses that novelty and you realise it's just a cheater taking an easy route. Luckily back then there were admins to enforce the rules, but here CCP seem like they have no intention of keeping the playing field level. So sure, the Imperium might fall, but to be honest if earning trillions through third party software is how to win EVE then what's the point in playing at all?

A warchest earned through legitimate in-game mechanics and combined effort, not by a third party application. You can try to spin this however you want but at the end of the day you support someone using a third party application to gain a direct in-game benefit, and you do so because it's beneficial to you.

And sure, no matter what the MIGHTY IMPERIUM warchest is like, it can't be sustained through legitimate mechanics against someone who has no way of being affected by in-game activity. Congratulations IWI will be allowed to cheat and win EVE. They've successfully proven that having out of game methods of earning isk that can't be affected by players in a game allows them to win.

No, I'm saying they use no third party applications that convey a direct in-game benefit, such as how bots are banned for providing an unfair in-game benefit. You know exactly what I'm saying and you're attempting to be deliberately difficult, which is amusing since the only reason you're ding that is because you have no valid counterpoint. You know for a fact that a group or individual having an uncountable third party application that grants them income conveys an unfair benefit, but it benefits you so you're OK with it.

Swing and a miss buddy. Feel free to check over my post history to confirm my opinion that IWI and similar site should not be allowed goes back to LOOOONG before this war. I, unlike some of the posters here, don't base all of my opinions on personal circumstance, I do in fact look objectively at situations like this, and objectively it's a third party application giving a direct and unfair benefit.

Those and similar tools have already been vetted by CCP and deemed to not provide a direct in-game benefit to the rate of item or currency acquisition. There's many I disagree with that they've OKed including ones I use. EVE-O preview for example provides a massive benefit yet is explicitly allowed despite my protests and so gets used. It's not my fault if you're reading this thread and assuming it's my only opinion.

How can you have been in The Imperium for more than 48hours without an understanding that we use out-of-game means to leverage an absolutely overwhelming advantage in game?
Are you trolling or are you so stuck on your own argument you can't see this?

Example: I want to make loads of money importing with no effort. Better only do it in game! Or, I guess I could use goonmetrics?
Example: I want to optimize my hauling stuff. In game? No - I use GARPA
Example: I want to flash-form 1200 nerds to come protect my in-game objective. Do I sit in chat channels dropping fleet invites? No, I send out a ping that goes to laptops / desktops and mobile phones around the globe.

Arguing 'out of game' advantages are unfair when you are sitting on a massive pile of them is woefully hypocritical, and conveniently drawing a line to exclude all those as 'OK' but demonise the one that you don't have is just poor behaviour.

Which is all well and good for the point about the war. I imagine either way at some point this would have happened (though nto really to do with Gevlon or MoA as they are laughably terrible, but I imagine TEST and PL would have done this anyway at some point). That however doesn't change the simple fact that outside of this war there is a player with a third party application giving him an advantage with no counter. Doesn't matter what alliance it is, if he picks a target there's no way they can do anything all the time their income can be countered and his can't.

That is some amazing revisionist history. We did not outnumber BoB and pets. And no, we didn't conquor it all with rifters. Where are you even getting this? Where does The Mittani take credit for Delve getting Haargothed? Whenever he tells the story, he says exactly what happened. Not like he did it.

This can be a real discussion if you will please stop making stuff up.




So I guess all that ISK IWI is giving the MBC is just for, what, party hats?