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Rain Fionn
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.15 11:41:00 -
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The title pretty much sums it up, though I do have other questions too.
So assuming i'm being hit by 5 light/medium or heavy combat drones, as well as whatever weaponry my opponent might have. What is the best way to deal with this? Concerntrate on the target, or smite the drones? Which brings me to another question, the best way to deal with enemy drones?
Im only running level 1 missions and the effectiveness of my drones caught my attension, pvp must be a whole new thing, and I got to say I'm not a natural pvp'er, but the nature of this game means I'm going to have to learn sooner or later. I guessing drones probably wont be as effective in pvp, but I'd like to know a little more about their role and value inside of pvp combat please.
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Sonya Rayner
Amarr
Unicorn Enterprise
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Posted - 2007.02.15 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sonya Rayner on 15/02/2007 12:10:06
I, personally, use either other drones (light preferably, or medium - against heavies) or smartbombs, since neither of my guns can hit lights or mediums even when they're webbed down... Unless i'm in a frigate, then there's small chance to hit drones.
And whether picking off drones or focusing on their owner - it really depends on the situation.
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Malicious Afterthought
Suffoco Noctis
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.15 12:56:00 -
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Web them, then stick your drones on them. All your drones. So it's be 5 of your drones vs one of theirs. As the eprson above me said, I go one size below the drone that is attacking, (eg 5 light vs 1 medium, 5 medium vs 1 heavy).
Repeat until enemy drones are dead, then go back to exploding their ship. If you don't have drones, then small guns with good tracking helps a lot.
Some ships have drones as their primary weapon, so removing these is a good thing indeed.
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Loc Maythan
Gallente
Alfa00 Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.15 13:00:00 -
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Generally:
1) If you are taking more damage from the drones than the ship, attack the drones. However, if you can tank the damage from the drones, attack the ship - once the ship is down, the battle is over, but a destroyed drone can always be replaced by another from a large enough drone bay.
2) If you are taking more damage from the ship than the drones, attack the ship
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Mog Carns
Gallente
Industrial Warlords
United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.15 13:31:00 -
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If the drones are an actual threat to you, then you will be dead before you get them all targeted and destroyed. Smartbombs destroy the drones all at once and without targeting.
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Noluck Ned
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.15 14:02:00 -
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Learn to love your drones. Frankly a dedicated drone boat is a scary thing in pvp, provided you have the skills high enough. Webbing your target is a big help too.
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Mog Carns
Gallente
Industrial Warlords
United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.15 14:55:00 -
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Now, if someone dropped 5 sentries 20km out and then scrammed and webbed you, how would you get away? They would probably have to paint you too...
I am trying to work out making sentries effective. They have great range, don't get close enough for smartbombs, and while stationary, they are still very small, hard to hit with guns and hard to damage with missiles. If you do damage them, they have like 1500 shields and armor each. Add to that, they do more damage than a T1 Heavy.
However, they seem to have a target resolution of a space station. Otherwise, they would be great counters to interceptors and nanoships. But I keep getting the nagging feeling I am overlooking something.
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Vasiliyan
PAX Interstellar Services
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.15 15:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Mog Carns
However, they seem to have a target resolution of a space station. Otherwise, they would be great counters to interceptors and nanoships. But I keep getting the nagging feeling I am overlooking something.
If you want to attack fast ships, then try distributing them around a 60km diameter sphere (doing this in a sensible timeframe needs a nanodomi of your own) and fit three omni tracking links. It's hard to maintain traversal in all directions at once. The DPS on this isn't high enough to stop most nanoships from just getting out of the bubble and warping off though.
Something I've just thought up for amusement value: 5x heavy webifier drones each of which has its own light shield maintenance bot(s) following it around.
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Countess NotFarOut2
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Posted - 2007.02.15 16:44:00 -
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To OP:
Depends on situation. As stated previously drones are hard to hit&destroy. If your opponent is nearby he can scoop drones and immediately release them, thus negating any (shield)damage you have done. But, if he's close by you will probly have other probs as well: no CAP(NOS), maybe scrambled, webbed.
If he's far away you can try to attack the drones with preferably light T2's.
Smartbombs are good against drones, but they've other drawbacks. Enough SB's to kill drones quickly will prevent you from putting something usefull in your highslots. 1 or 2 SB's may not be enough to kill attacking drones, and then what's the use of mounting SB's? Your opponent can recall them and repair them(shields). If you're up against a dedicated dronefighter(Gallente) you maybe in deep sh!t...
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B1GDAVE
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Posted - 2007.02.15 17:31:00 -
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Seems to me that if your up against a dedicated drone boat (gallente) your probably better off taking out the ship as its probably jsut gonna send another wave of drones after you have destroyed the ones already out.
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Ajna Anami
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Posted - 2007.02.15 17:54:00 -
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Right now I am still flying a frigate. When I have to deal with drones, I usually leave any guns I have on my opponent, and use rockets to deal with the drones. It has been pretty effective so far.
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Rain Fionn
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.15 17:56:00 -
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Thanks for all your replies this is very interesting and my basic knowledge has increasedat least 5 fold.
So it seems smartbombs are the no nonsense way to rid yourself of a few drones, but the drawbacks may outweigh their effectiveness. Again if you come across someone not using drones I'd guess you're gonna regret those smartbombs in the high slots.
So several waves of light drone can be preferable to a one off compliment of heavy drones, I will have to play with this I think to find something I like.
So far i get the feeling that pounding your opponent asap might be preferable to targeting the drones, keeping outside drone range if possible I'd guess.
And thanks for mentioning sentry drones, I had wondered what they did, as I understand it they are a stationary gun platform so to speak, and I can see the advantage of placing them arround an ambush site.
Can some one explain NOS..? I have heard this term several times, but I do not fully understand it... some kind of cap draining device? Used to sap a tank I'm guessing.
All and any opinions are welcomed, I'm learning alot from this thread, much appreciated :)
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Ky Vatta
Caldari
Empire Mining and Industrial Taskforce
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:52:00 -
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 NOSferatu = a module that leaches power from the opponents Capacitor, thus reducing that said opponent`s ability to keep weapons/modules online, or even putting them online
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Baka Lakadaka
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Posted - 2007.02.16 02:20:00 -
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The NOS not only depletes your target, but boosts your own Capacitor.
It's like a Cap booster, but the energy comes from the enemy. So it can also reduce the enemy tanking ability while boosting your own.
Downside: you have to be in nice and close to the enemy to use an energy vampire (or NOS).
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Nash Leigth
Children of Azathoth
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:00:00 -
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Only unlike a capacitor injector, NOS stops bringing in cap once the enemy is completely drained, so you have to watch out for that.
Best way to counter drones would be with drones of your own: a pack of light T2 drones can take on opponent's light, medium, or heavy drones. Smartbombs and missiles also work. Otherwise you can try to fly out of drone range, which is what interceptor pilots do.
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Fenrec Deac
Malkalen Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:46:00 -
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Not main direction of your question but be aware when using drones as defence while mining. I have no proof but I've heard
that when a Wreck/Jetcan thief steals from you and is blinking in the happy red "shot me" mode ( Still no threat at this point )
BUT when your drones head out to kill the occasional Pirate Rat showing up...their next target will be the thief .. thus enabling him to return fire on you. I have no own experience with it, just got the same warning from a mate in my corp's friendnetwork ...
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Damionte
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.02.28 23:32:00 -
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I have had experience with the last problem. Occasionally the droens will get you in trouble. Keep a tight reign on them. If you're using drones for defense when mining don't just leave the droens out there. Best to leave drones docked until you need them. As the AI can occasionally get you blown up.
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Damionte
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.02.28 23:32:00 -
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I have had experience with the last problem. Occasionally the droens will get you in trouble. Keep a tight reign on them. If you're using drones for defense when mining don't just leave the droens out there. Best to leave drones docked until you need them. As the AI can occasionally get you blown up.
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Tulisin Dragonflame
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Posted - 2007.03.01 01:26:00 -
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Not to mention if you recall your combat drones you can send out some mining drones for bonus ore.
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Ahazi Da'Haka
Caldari
Power Of Two
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Posted - 2007.03.01 01:48:00 -
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I started doing a little mineing , been useing an osprey. been out in .6 space mostly, i had a assault launcher straped to my ship (got a decent amount of missle skills) but with only 1 laucher it can take a while to blow up the rats. i did notice there is a drone bay on the osprey and wondered without delving too much into drones what would be the basic drone skills needed to bat the pesky rats? as id rather have space taken up by missle be used for ore.
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Disco Flint
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.01 10:11:00 -
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With a 20m¦ dronebay the osprey can indeed carry 4 light scout drones.
With Drones IV to release all 4 at once and level 2-4 in Scout Drone Operation, Combat Drone Operation and Drone Durability to give them some range and oomph you should be more than prepared for anything highsec belts can throw at you.
And for times when someone else watches over you there's the skill Mining Drone Operation :)
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Kua Immortal
RSP Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.01 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Countess NotFarOut2
If your opponent is nearby he can scoop drones and immediately release them, thus negating any (shield)damage you have done.
Does scooping drones instantaneously repair shield damage?
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Simon Jax
Gallente
Freedom Guard
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.01 18:30:00 -
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Yes, scooping drones instantly replenishes their shields. It's my opinion that using this as a tactic is very situation dependent.
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MrTripps
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.01 22:28:00 -
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Drones are very effective in PVP as much for the psychological advantage as tactical. Once you get Drones to level 5 there is a skill called Drone Interfacing that gives a 20% boost per level. Also, ships like the Vexor, Myrimadon, and Domi give an additional 10% boost per level. Once you sic drones on a target they are not hampered by ECM. These factors together made drones a very effective weapons system.
The down side is that you have to mind them closely. If they start taking damage (from a smart bomb for example) they must be borough back in. If you lose them (which happens often) the T2 versions can be very expensive to replace.
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Lord's Servant
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Posted - 2007.03.06 19:50:00 -
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Looking up to the Sentry drone issue, I think that sentry drones would make great ambushers. Imagine setting up a ring of them around a stargate or asteroid belt and then letting them rip loose when someone comes. /drools that would be awesome. . .
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Bull61
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.03.07 10:28:00 -
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Just be careful when using those smartbombs... I got into a fight in an area Concord was in and I guess I got a little too close to them. They popped me.
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Simon Jax
Gallente
Freedom Guard
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.07 16:59:00 -
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It's also worth pointing out that the only Rig that boosts Damage Output is for Sentry Drones.
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