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Ginger.
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Posted - 2007.02.15 15:45:00 -
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We dont mention the Elections.
I was just asking if anyone had read it? I usually see discussions about new PF stuff, and there I havent spied any. So i was just a wondering.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.15 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger. We dont mention the Elections.
I was just asking if anyone had read it? I usually see discussions about new PF stuff, and there I havent spied any. So i was just a wondering.
What with the 2-week Abraxas schedule, I'm forcing myself to save that one for a few days. Don't want to have all my chronicles fun in one go --------
Originally by: Constantine Arcanum most problems can be solved with chloroform.
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Ugleb
Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.15 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger. We dont mention the Elections.
I was just asking if anyone had read it? I usually see discussions about new PF stuff, and there I havent spied any. So i was just a wondering.
I saw it, I thoght it looked very relevent to the current state of play. I'm just wondering if/when/how they will appear in game.
An independent Arbitration might have some interesting impact when the truth about the emperors death is dragged out into the light.
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Shaikar
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.15 15:58:00 -
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Fair enough, I don't think anyone wants to know details in advance, they just want to avoid what I call "game module plot syndrome."
As in, the sort of stuff rpg modules which are full of info, backstory, plots, backstabbing and other shennanigans, stuff which is great for the GM to read and the stuff that makes the arc as a whole seem alive and worthwhile. Only the players never get to find out about any of it because it is all in the "GM eyes only" section and isn't mentioned anywhere else, which renders the exercise a somewhat futile waste of time for everyone involved except the GM, who doesn't catch on because to him things make sense.
Again, just to be clear, I'm not saying that is what is happening, merely that is what I hope doesn't happen.
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.15 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 15/02/2007 16:21:59 Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 15/02/2007 16:17:36 Ok Ginger.
I can buy that the Emperor hasnt been replaced for perfectly acceptable IC reasons.
What I cannot buy is that there would be utter silence from all the involved parties for almost two years.
The aurora events side of things is fine, they have if anything picked up much of the slack over the last years, but the utter silence from effectively every major character is the single most damageing thing to the backstory of EVE.
And the simple fact is that it happens in every single major arc.
Its not events that are lacking, its basic coverage of the 'important' people of EVE that is utterly lacking.
What were the heirs public responces to the death of the Emperor? If the answer is silence then why arent the non-Amarrian media commenting on the silence from the heirs? Their silence wouldnt get ignored by the press. What kindof spin campaigns are being waged to keep the populace from worrying? What are the random priests saying?
Or in non-Amarrian stuff: What was midular or Foritan's last 'state of the union' style speech like?
What is the status of the Ammatar-Matari war, its supposedly been raging for the last few years, but not a peep about a victory here or there.
You, in essence, need to make the world live, and the way to do that is not so much RP events (though the ones done by aurora now are great) but rather short but common news reports about a little bit of everything.
Give us maybe a hundred words a week. It doesn't have to be major news, just something to say that the world is living and breathing and surviving.
A comment about x holder lord. A promotional bit for x product. A short comment on the state of the market. Which Famous gallentean celebrities are sleeping together. Random speculation about the course things are taking. Random conspiracy theories. Anything really. IT doesnt all have to even be 'true' IC, just the kindof stuff a pod pilot would hear every day when he checks the news.
Right now its "Major news story... nothing for weeks/months/years... another major news story." Which is rather unimmersive to say the least. Make that "Major news story, random small stuff, a comment or two about said major news story, another major news story." And you will be able to have your long plot arc... without leaving everyone with pretty much nothing for the months in between.
Anyhow, I recognize that this is not something that is easy to have appear out of nowhere, and I understand we are unlikely, at best, to see the kind of coverage. (Im really talking a minimum of a couple short (Ie one or two paragraphs) articles a week) But it really is what would need to happen to avoid this kind of problem. You cant have realisticly timed events. After all, a two year interegnum isnt actually too long to believe, but a two year interregnum with nothing but silence from involved parties is more than pushing it.
Aurora is doing awesome right now, so the in game event side of things is covered. And more chronicles are always a good thing to see, but they aren't really something our character sees. (And the most recent was was quite excellent) Give us enough little news reports to make the world feel alive and I would be happy with any delay. (Something I have been saying this consistently for the last 2 years :P)
Oh and all that said, you are still doing better than any other MMO I have seen with this stuff.
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Ginger.
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Posted - 2007.02.15 16:48:00 -
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Well, as Gnauton has stated the Dynamics content team that is forming is only a relatively recent phenomena within CCP. Aurora will, and always will do, most of the work with events and they have done a great job.
So a plan was made when we were formed and we are currently running along it, its obviously not set in stone and all that lovely stuff.
As regards the news, im afraid that is not my area but we can discuss it and see what can happen on that front. We are constantly reviewing these things and trying to get more resources. However, writing a news piece is not simply a matter of putting a few words on a bit of paper and sticking them up.
But one of the main reasons the Minmatar stuff has blown up lately is the players taking things and running forward with them.
Ill come back to this later, need to go get my hair chopped, its starting to attack people.
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Anatolius
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.15 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger. However, writing a news piece is not simply a matter of putting a few words on a bit of paper and sticking them up.
Why? I realize that you can't have the CCP Janitor write up a nice piece about a new Emperor being crowned, and then have him just slap it up. But what Gaven mentioned - just stupid, random bits of news, just to make the world of EVE seem more.. real, I can't imagine it'd take all that much time for review/et cetera.
I used to play on a text-based Cyberpunk game; it was perhaps the most immersive game that has existed on the Intarweb(tm). They did this - post news articles often. The articles didn't even have to affect players in the slightest; but it gave players something to talk about and made the game world seem more real.
Right now, we have a situation where it's effectively, "Hey, what's happening?" "Same old, same old. The Matari are still rebellious scum, and we still have no Emperor." Everything falls back to that, because there's not much else to talk about. Can't even get news about the latest depraved Gallente holoflick, that we might decry the immorality of it.
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Ugleb
Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.15 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger. However, writing a news piece is not simply a matter of putting a few words on a bit of paper and sticking them up.
The problem I see here is that many players are thinking to themselves...why not? I think we'd all like to see every 6-10 days a short bit of random rp gossip appear on the login screen.
Gallente Holo superstar Maggie McDoo has been arrested in a Public lavatory for unclear but naughty reasons. Her fans across the galaxy are jolly well put out. Filiming of "It came from Matar part 3" has been put on indefinite hold.
Que players hitting the IGS to wail and gnash their teeth that they may never see part 3. Amarrians wail and gnash their teeth over this Gallente immorality. Brutors concede that Maggie is indeed "hawt".
Originally by: Ginger. But one of the main reasons the Minmatar stuff has blown up lately is the players taking things and running forward with them.
We would very much appreciate it if Ms Midularwould appear in a shuttle so we could put a 1400mm shell through her skull. Ta.
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Kharakan
Amarr Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.02.15 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Kharakan on 15/02/2007 17:15:18
Originally by: Ugleb
Que players hitting the IGS to wail and gnash their teeth that they may never see part 3. Amarrians wail and gnash their teeth over this Gallente immorality.
We'd never do such a thing without conducting extensive research first
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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Pacala
Gallente AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.15 17:27:00 -
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I think they're suggesting that powers behind the scenes are deliberatly keeping the Amarr throne empty. It could also have something to do with the Sarums as well.
We Gallente prefer our politics to be much more in the open. Let's not dwell on the Caldari and Minnmatar too much.
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Ugleb
Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.15 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kharakan Edited by: Kharakan on 15/02/2007 17:15:18
Originally by: Ugleb
Que players hitting the IGS to wail and gnash their teeth that they may never see part 3. Amarrians wail and gnash their teeth over this Gallente immorality.
We'd never do such a thing without conducting extensive research first
Yeah definitely watch parts 1&2 first to familiarise yourself with the subject.
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Ugleb
Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.15 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Pacala I think they're suggesting that powers behind the scenes are deliberatly keeping the Amarr throne empty. It could also have something to do with the Sarums as well.
We Gallente prefer our politics to be much more in the open. Let's not dwell on the Caldari and Minnmatar too much.
Yes, but the point is that players need to feed off something, no new stimuli for over a year and you start running out things to RP with. The recent Defiants story gave us minnies a whole ton of stuff to bounce off which we did and its allowed for other groups to bounce of our bouncings.
There is nothing much to say on the Amarr throne topic that wasn't said months ago, hence the dilemma. Although if I was an Amarrian right now I'd probably look hard at kicking up an IC fuss at the ongoing silence. Using Rodj's numbers would be a good start.
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Aliahnora Dushan
Gallente CRC Auxiliary
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Posted - 2007.02.15 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Aliahnora Dushan on 15/02/2007 17:33:01 Gah, I hate it when it resets which is your default character. Proudly bringing you 'The Summit' in space channel. |
Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.15 17:37:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 15/02/2007 17:34:33 Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 15/02/2007 17:34:16
Originally by: Pacala I think they're suggesting that powers behind the scenes are deliberatly keeping the Amarr throne empty. It could also have something to do with the Sarums as well.
Well, yeah that has to be the reason ICly.
But right now there isn't even really enough coverage to get the feeling that there is something big going on across. Its just a void rather than a massive intriguing mystery.
And stuff like Wanoah's little bit are exactly what Im talking about. Some more elaborate ones, maybe some less elaborate ones, but thats the level of thing I'm talking about for the basics.
Edit: and we tend to do that about once every six months... so its probably that time again. Last time was on the anniversary. Got aurora out with it, even.
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elbenito
Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.15 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Pacala I think they're suggesting that powers behind the scenes are deliberatly keeping the Amarr throne empty. It could also have something to do with the Sarums as well.
From a non-RP point of view, this looks like an obvious tie-in to the upcoming Factional Warfare.
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.15 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Pull your socks up, CCP, some of us are starting to think that maybe you don't care about the backstory.
its not that they dont care about the backstory, its just that anything with "amarr" in it is on autoignore.
Originally by: Dianabolic I've never cheated, I've never witnessed those I fly with, cheat and I guarentee you that if I DID witness such a thing I |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.15 18:27:00 -
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Regarding us making IC pleas for progress or information on the IGS, we've done it on more than one occasion.
Number of meaningful responses from Aurora or CCP controlled characters: 0
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 15/02/2007 20:13:08 Not quite fair there Rodj... we did get Grand Master Horm to come to Archies rally and got a new bit of scripture out of the deal. :P
The biggest thing is that when you do something like that rally you feel like something is off, partly because its not exactly the Amarrian character's place to talk back to these bigwigs... and not knowing any of the stakes involved (or even haveing a remote clue on the stakes) feels bloody risky from an IC standpoint.
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Wanoah
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Regarding us making IC pleas for progress or information on the IGS, we've done it on more than one occasion.
Number of meaningful responses from Aurora or CCP controlled characters: 0
I understand your frustration, but I have really taken heart of late in seeing how the revamped AURORA & fledgling CCP events people are conducting things - demonstrated by the resurrected Tetrimon arc (still angry at that one's ignominious end) and the recent Defiants/Muritor arc and associated news.
I think that these things and Abraxas stepping up to the plate and knocking out chronicles on a regular basis really show that they have been listening to us. Sooner or later, you realise that you need this sort of thing to sustain longevity as a player. It takes a certain amount of investment in the world to keep playing for years instead of drifting away to something else. All the tools and the PvP starts to become a little bit empty unless you feel that you are helping to make a mark on the world, and involvement in world events helps this.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.15 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Pull your socks up, CCP, some of us are starting to think that maybe you don't care about the backstory.
its not that they dont care about the backstory, its just that anything with "amarr" in it is on autoignore.
Now to be fair, the Elections-That-Shalt-Not-Be-Named were put off just as long- and WE didn't even get a proper resolution to it! Atleast theres hope for your head of state
Makes me glad I'm not a RPer....... --------
Originally by: Constantine Arcanum most problems can be solved with chloroform.
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CCP Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2007.02.19 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 15/02/2007 16:21:59 news ideas which are liked
Sign up for the Interstellar Correspondents
Pretty please you know you want too. Sign up for the pretty minmatar lady
Why is this signature pink?
It is a mystery
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kbullet
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.19 14:46:00 -
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i shall be crowned the new amarr emperor
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Majaraw Awalabas
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.19 14:51:00 -
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Ginger can take his stuff and stick it.
I know where I'm sticking my subscription.
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Davlos
Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.19 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: Davlos on 19/02/2007 14:52:33 Righteous Fury for Emperor of Amarr! \o/ We shall remove the old and antiquated Amarrian religion and convert all to the Cult of Rubyor. All shall follow the Path of the Burning Orphan!
In all seriousness, Ginger, having the Amarrians to wait for so long is a tad bit cruel. Hurry your zombie fanbois up and get them to start on the arcs already! ---------------
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R Sphace
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Posted - 2007.02.19 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Garia666 There is only one true Emperor.
ME!
Admit it i have the looks ^^
Er, no. You look like a bleached Rottweiler.
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Vastation
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Posted - 2007.02.19 17:01:00 -
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I didn't read the latest stories because I didn't want to read about torture. I tought it wasn't a very apropriate subject to be honest with you.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.19 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Vastation I didn't read the latest stories because I didn't want to read about torture. I tought it wasn't a very apropriate subject to be honest with you.
The torture series has now finished.
The most recent chronicle is about an Amarrian religious order.
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Cpt Farnham
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Posted - 2007.02.19 19:46:00 -
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Torture is something every state has done and will most likly carry and doing in some form or another. What is intresting is that the methords usd in the chronicles are from what i gather all done against non-pod pilots, imagine the "Fun" they could have with a pod pilot. Just feeding in false information into the brain, which would be acccpeted as real. |
Nachshon
Caldari Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.19 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Nachshon on 19/02/2007 21:15:14 Maybe CCP should have a dedicated storyline developer for each race, who could turn this stuff out on a regular basis. Their job would be to not only turn out background info, but to react to current events. You could just grab 4 guys from White Wolf - this calls for roleplaying and backstory expertise, which White Wolf has.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.20 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Nachshon Edited by: Nachshon on 19/02/2007 21:15:14 Maybe CCP should have a dedicated storyline developer for each race, who could turn this stuff out on a regular basis. Their job would be to not only turn out background info, but to react to current events. You could just grab 4 guys from White Wolf - this calls for roleplaying and backstory expertise, which White Wolf has.
That's a good idea, although it might mean that storylines involving conflict between the races might end up getting put on the back burner.
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