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CRUSH3R Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.15 19:55:00 - [1] Tux, while implementing all the ideas you've mentioned in your devblog, think about the following plz: Mimnatar ships. Vagabond - bad tank, low damage, the way to stay alive is speed. If you implement higher mwd cap needs, you will kill this ship. Sleipneir - mwd+active shield tank - it requires cap booster. No mwd+capbooster in the same time, increased cap need for mwd => sleipneir is dead too. And so on. Nerfing mwds you are killing minmatar, who have little close damage, bad tanking, and whos only advantage is speed. Think about what I've wrote. Best regards.
Sadist Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.15 19:57:00 - [2] Minmatar needed a nerf for a long time now. òòòòòòòòòòòò VIP member of the [23] Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
ForeverKnight Caldari World Order	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:01:00 - [3] Edited by: ForeverKnight on 15/02/2007 20:00:42 Vagabond will still be faster than other ships its size...It will be able to dictate range in 1 on 1's, but will lose its "God Mode". Same with the slepnir, which quite honestly doesn't need speed, it can tank with the best of them while using weapons that don't take cap. Nothing to see here.....
Ficti0n FireTech Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:03:00 - [4] Originally by: Sadist Minmatar needed a nerf for a long time now. Yer what???? Are you mad!!!!!!111one one one eleven! They don't need nerfing at all. Minmatar are meant to be the speed tankers. Originally by: Jim McGregor Even the Matrix had glitches. Spoon, Lag, whats the difference... Neo had to fight for an entire movie to learn how to stop time. We do it every day in Jita.
Jerick Ludhowe Internet Tough Guys Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:03:00 - [5] Edited by: Jerick Ludhowe on 15/02/2007 20:00:26 Originally by: CRUSH3R Tux, while implementing all the ideas you've mentioned in your devblog, think about the following plz: Mimnatar ships. Vagabond - bad tank, low damage, the way to stay alive is speed. If you implement higher mwd cap needs, you will kill this ship. Sleipneir - mwd+active shield tank - it requires cap booster. No mwd+capbooster in the same time, increased cap need for mwd => sleipneir is dead too. And so on. Nerfing mwds you are killing minmatar, who have little close damage, bad tanking, and whos only advantage is speed. Think about what I've wrote. Best regards. So capless weapon systems are not an advantage? Heinrich Klaus: "You need to get a leet signature you****got"
CRUSH3R Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:07:00 - [6] Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe Edited by: Jerick Ludhowe on 15/02/2007 20:00:26 Originally by: CRUSH3R Tux, while implementing all the ideas you've mentioned in your devblog, think about the following plz: Mimnatar ships. Vagabond - bad tank, low damage, the way to stay alive is speed. If you implement higher mwd cap needs, you will kill this ship. Sleipneir - mwd+active shield tank - it requires cap booster. No mwd+capbooster in the same time, increased cap need for mwd => sleipneir is dead too. And so on. Nerfing mwds you are killing minmatar, who have little close damage, bad tanking, and whos only advantage is speed. Think about what I've wrote. Best regards. So capless weapon systems are not an advantage? gal\amm need cap for both shoot and tank, cald for tank and sometimes shoot, minm for speed and sometimes tank. Atm it's ok, but if mwd uses more cap minm will suffer the most as minm ships use mwd more otenthen the other races.
ForeverKnight Caldari World Order	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:12:00 - [7] Show me a gallente Blasterboat without an MWD =D Gallente will be hit by this too, though possibly not as hard cause gallente battle tactics generally resemble: Hit MWD, get in range, web, shut off MWD, F1-F8. While Minmatar need to use their MWD more to dictate range. Whatever. I think the Minmatar speed advantage is more of a dictating range advantage than a pure speed tank.
Marcus Alkhaar Exotic Dancers Club Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:14:00 - [8] the whining has begun..... get some stats on what you're whining about.... BEFORE YOU ACTUAL START WHINING. kthxbye Originally by: darth solo I dont blame XS, tbh if i was in there shoes i wouldnt fight us either, its like bringing a caldari mountain sheep to fight a gallante war wolf(u like how i kept that in character
Gorstag	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Marcus Alkhaar the whining has begun..... get some stats on what you're whining about.... BEFORE YOU ACTUAL START WHINING. kthxbye Why are their idiots like you in every thread? Makes this game seem like its full of uneducated players.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:20:00 - [10] buy vindicators now... buy vigilants now... But anything that nerfs vagas & nanophoons is good. If crow suffers in process, so be it. -------- .....

Angus McLean Gallente Divinity Trials	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:30:00 - [11] Amarr need cap for guns and tank. Caldari for tank and occasionally guns. Gallente for Tank + guns + MWD, and Minmatar for...speed. (If you need a tank on a minmatar speed ship, then you arent doing something right ) I do believe minmatar only need cap for speed...so on that note, maybe they will be forced to fit CCC rigs on their ships like every other cap dependant race Get over it, Vagabonds have been the EvE cheat for months. Its someone elses turn to play FOTM. ---------------- Freedom Of Speech Band of Brothers T-shirt
Gawain Hill	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Marcus Alkhaar the whining has begun..... get some stats on what you're whining about.... BEFORE YOU ACTUAL START WHINING. kthxbye now now be fair they don't have anything to get stats from tux just listed some general ideas that were being passed around the office. ofcause we all know that anything a dev says MIGHT POSSIBLY happen will immediatly go into effect tomorrow so we should all worry about this immediatly here is one of the other ideas tux said "Make it require charges" see that's not a nerf aslong as he gets rid of the fact it screws your cap up can we please save the whines till changes are on sisi atleast?
Mortuus Minmatar Just-fun Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:48:00 - [13] My only concern is that small ships should not get nerfed on the speed side. ex-Occassus Republica <3
Ecky X SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:21:00 - [14] I suppose they'll be adding 20 slot MWD charge bags, and 20 slot cap booster bags soon too. Honestly, I wouldn't mind having the MWD nerfed, because generally you only need a MWD to make SURE you are much faster than everyone else. If noone uses them, I'm sure a nano-afterburner-Vagabond will still fly the same way, and deal a good bit more damage than it does currently. An afterburner doesn't increase sig radius, and will often work even better than a MWD for avoiding damage.
Danjira Ryuujin	Posted - 2007.02.16 03:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Gorstag Why are their idiots like you in every thread? Makes this game seem like its full of uneducated players. There are idiots like you in every thread.
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm	Posted - 2007.02.16 03:28:00 - [16] think we will see them impliment a counter to missiles now that speed will likely be a less viable tactic?
king jks New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.16 03:43:00 - [17] No, no, no, no, and no. This is NOT the way to nerf it. I honestly think there's no problem with MWDs, they have high cap use, they're supposed to have it, you say they're not supposed to be sustainable, and they aren't, only when you sacrifice many high, medium, and low slots to cap mods to they become sustainable. You're just killing a symptom, not the root cause, nerf nos, that's what needs nerfing, not MWDs. I believe that speed tanking should be a viable form of tanking, it makes the game more lively, just offer more ways to combat this, for instance make it give a huge agility penalty when it's on, then you won't have massive orbit speeds. There are a LOT more ways you can go about this, and this is NOT one of them. ------------------------ Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. -Albert Einstein
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.02.16 03:54:00 - [18] How would a ship that only needs cap for the mwd be nerfed by the change? _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Got Alliance? Contact me ingame for alliance creation services.


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