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Humpalot	Posted - 2007.02.16 16:44:00 - [1] I was looking at specs of a Viator for some low sec hauling thinking that as a self described blockade runner it'd be better than my Occator to break through gate camps. Upon looking however I am just not seeing it. The Viator comes with a built in 2 points of warp core stabilisation and near double the top speed of the Occator (170 vs. 90). Beyond that it is far worse in all respects. Smaller cargo hold, worse resistances, much lower shield/armor/structure specs and fewer fitting slots. So 2 points of warp core stab built in seems nice but the Occator has six low slots versus the Viator's three. So at best I could give a warp stab bonus of 5 to the Viator while I could get 6 for the Occator. Or I could equal the Viator's 5 and toss in an expander or i-stab or whatever. Seems the Occator has MUCH more versatility to fit out a variety of ways and even making it in to a blockade runner per the Viator it still has more versatility. That only leaves the Viators higher base speed but with Warp to 0 who cares? Maybe it'd be better at getting out of a bubble but then a nanoed Occator (or Overdirves and such) could probably do as well. Am I missing something or is the Viator largely a useless choice? Note I have not compared other race's choices in this department to see if they suffer the same issues but since I cannot fly those I'll just go with these two for now.
ArtemisEntreri Turbulent	Posted - 2007.02.16 16:45:00 - [2] Look at the mass + speed that means it can go extremely fast and align soooo fast as well, it's like a vagabond with 3000m3, that's why.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.16 16:47:00 - [3] Occator Carries more but will still get owned in a big camp Viator + MWD = Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and you could jettison a single ammo unit or something just to mess with them Never again are you allowed to whine about not training Combat Skills
Riho Red Wrath Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.02.16 16:56:00 - [4] Viator is faster, warps faster (9 au /s i think), has lower mass so turns lot faster and so on :) i have a crane atm.. but training for a prorator (amarr one :) ) i really like theyr agility when moveing stuff from empire to 0.0 or other way around. reason im training amarr ones is that they have more lows and more PG (crane has 150 when u have engineering 5 and u cant fit a tank or enything else u would want :P Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- <------ Hijack free space :) -----------------
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.16 17:03:00 - [5] As a professional hauler killer, I'd like to say that I HATE viators/cranes/whatever. >.< Occators are fun to poke at, though. Bump them and watch them never, ever align again. Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY Down with alts! One character per account per IP!
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.02.16 17:47:00 - [6] Crane is fun fun fun. Cloak, MWD, 2x passive em hardener-II, i-stab, PDU-II and wheeeee :P Suicide is bad, hmkay? (clickety clickety)
KillmAll187	Posted - 2007.02.16 18:06:00 - [7] +2 Warp Strength
Rahn Sohwant	Posted - 2007.02.16 18:10:00 - [8] Warp Speed is no small factor in the magic of the blockade runner. Just today I outran a taranis in my prowler, or at least stayed in front of him long enough for him to get bored and give up after 4 or 5 jumps. The game might have been much different if he could beat me to the gate. Plus, just for general travel, it can make a difference if your route includes many systems bigger than 10 or 15 AU
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 18:19:00 - [9] Originally by: Humpalot I was looking at specs of a Viator for some low sec hauling thinking that as a self described blockade runner it'd be better than my Occator to break through gate camps. Upon looking however I am just not seeing it. The Viator comes with a built in 2 points of warp core stabilisation and near double the top speed of the Occator (170 vs. 90). Beyond that it is far worse in all respects. Smaller cargo hold, worse resistances, much lower shield/armor/structure specs and fewer fitting slots. So 2 points of warp core stab built in seems nice but the Occator has six low slots versus the Viator's three. So at best I could give a warp stab bonus of 5 to the Viator while I could get 6 for the Occator. Or I could equal the Viator's 5 and toss in an expander or i-stab or whatever. Seems the Occator has MUCH more versatility to fit out a variety of ways and even making it in to a blockade runner per the Viator it still has more versatility. That only leaves the Viators higher base speed but with Warp to 0 who cares? Maybe it'd be better at getting out of a bubble but then a nanoed Occator (or Overdirves and such) could probably do as well. Am I missing something or is the Viator largely a useless choice? Note I have not compared other race's choices in this department to see if they suffer the same issues but since I cannot fly those I'll just go with these two for now. My alts viator can carry 3750 m/3 cargo, while cruising at 2.5km per second and aligning for warp as fast as a frigate. And with that setup, if it has to, it can tank multiple ships long enough to get to a gate or warp off. Hell, Ive even used it to haul loot in 0.0 when ratting to make money, and it can tank a triple BS spawn long enough to grab a couple cans and warp off. Occator might be able to do the tanking part, but its not nearly as fast or maneuverable. In short... in my Viator I have almost no fear of losing it unless I do something stupid. Ive even run 0.0 interdictor or bubble gate camps with it. Unless a gate camp has an interdictor, a fast locking huginn/rapier, and a LOT of DPS, they have basically no chance of getting me. An occator can still be killed by one combat ship with a web. It will just take a while. This signature space for rent
king jks New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.16 18:58:00 - [10] Prowler ftw tbh. ------------------------ Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. -Albert Einstein

Tisanta Amarr Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom	Posted - 2007.02.16 19:00:00 - [11] iteron V over anything else! though i did own a miner once and doing 1500mps whilst carrying 15mils in ore was pretty fun --- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.02.16 19:10:00 - [12] Originally by: Rahn Sohwant Plus, just for general travel, it can make a difference if your route includes many systems bigger than 10 or 15 AU how about 12 systems of around 40AU average :) really makes it pay off Suicide is bad, hmkay? (clickety clickety)
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.16 19:21:00 - [13] To you blockade runners, how do you usually stab yourself up? Do you think 2pt is enough, and fit nanos and cargo mods? Do you stab to the max (i.e. around 5 points)? Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY Down with alts! One character per account per IP!
Rahn Sohwant Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 19:45:00 - [14] I don't have a huge amount of experience with it yet, but in my opinion blockade running is all about speed.. making it into warp before they can react or making it back to the gate if they do pin you down. The +2 is just insurance. So I use inertial stabilizers. If he locks me before I align and has 3 points of scram, I can try to make it back.
Tisanta Amarr Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom	Posted - 2007.02.16 19:47:00 - [15] viator i think has 3 lows and i used to run 2 nano 1 cargo increase.. --- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.02.16 19:56:00 - [16] Originally by: Nicocat To you blockade runners, how do you usually stab yourself up? Do you think 2pt is enough, and fit nanos and cargo mods? Do you stab to the max (i.e. around 5 points)? ` I seldom ever change fitting - if it doesn't fit in the crane it will in the bustard (23k cargo = win). When something valuable needs moving, i get a scout. Suicide is bad, hmkay? (clickety clickety)
Tisanta Amarr Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:01:00 - [17] last person to post... are you a trader? --- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Fillmore Darkstar Gallente Darkstar Consortium	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:38:00 - [18] a Viator w/ Improved Cloak II, MWD, 2 Nanos and 3rd pt of WCS just for good measure is nearly uncatchable. When you jump into a new system follow this sequence as quickly as you can 0) Set your MWD to Manual 1) Align to warp 2) Turn on MWD 3) Turn on cloak 4) Watch MWD until its finished with its cycle 5) Turn off cloak 6) Insta-Warp to next gate you will show up for a split second before cloaking, then instantly go to warp when you uncloak.
Ted Crilly Crilly Shipments Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:52:00 - [19] Edited by: Ted Crilly on 16/02/2007 20:48:59 I do a fair bit of lowsec/0.0 transporting and tbh I always use a blocader, if it doesnt fit in that it doesnt get moved, I have only ever lost 1 prowler and that was due to the annoying traffic timers that were common a few months ago (it was empty and ccp gave it back to me anyway). MWD, salvage unit (just in case i see something on my travels) nanos and cloak do the job nicely.
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:04:00 - [20] Hm. I need practice gunning these things down, it would seem. Even with it webbed and scrammed, I wonder if I have the firepower to bring one down... thinks out loud Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY Down with alts! One character per account per IP!

Ted Crilly Crilly Shipments Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:39:00 - [21] on your own it would be tricky unless the pilot messes up, if you are in a big ship it will have gone before you locked it down, if you are in a small ship it will tank long enough to make it to the gate or just mwd away from you.
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:26:00 - [22] I have a kamikaze-fit Sabre, is what I'm referring to ;) 7 small autos with Hail hurt like a ***, but I wonder if it's enough, provided I can scram the blockade runner (unlikely). A single 90% web probably wouldn't keep them around long enough anyway ;.; Originally by:** Splagada SEED ME DADDY Down with alts! One character per account per IP!
KillmAll187	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:33:00 - [23] Originally by: Nicocat I have a kamikaze-fit Sabre, is what I'm referring to ;) 7 small autos with Hail hurt like a *****, but I wonder if it's enough, provided I can scram the blockade runner (unlikely). A single 90% web probably wouldn't keep them around long enough anyway ;.; Sabre ain't even gonna come close. I'd almost bet he'd kill you.
Flesh Eater	Posted - 2007.02.17 06:13:00 - [24] Also, Occators are way too expensive. They don't offer any more than the other race's deep space transport ships, but are going for more than twice the price. Whoever builds them is a fool, my brother who has the skills never bothers to buy them coz of the cost.
Alexi Borizkova Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.18 03:49:00 - [25] Once upon a time before transports, blockade runners, and freighters, if you were a serious hauler you trained for the iteron V. No matter what race you were, nothing could touch it, it was the hauling ship. I see more crappy obelisks around than any other freighter, know why? Everyone who cared about moving stuff had the bulk of the skills for the damned thing and were almost able to just get in one the day they came out. Ditto for transport ships. There is probably more people able to fly the occator than the rest of its type put together due to this simple state of the pre-transport hauler skillset. And today, why bother to train for the others except as a matter of racial preference when you already have the gallente skills, and it is easily the second best deep space transport. As such, demand is high, so it is a seller's market, and the sellers wanna be rich.... so we have to do without, or make them rich. t2 monopolies, live with it.


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