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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2003.12.15 10:07:00 -
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Sure they will be a lot slower now because of the new changes. But they also are getting 50% better cargo capacity. And that's BASE capacity. Throw on your rare cargo expanders and you've just compounded that number a lot. So in actuality, the nerf isn't so bad.
Personally, I find it nonsensical that a huge lumbering Iteron Mk5 can speed past all other ships. So it'll be slower. But it will be able to carry a sh!tload more.
The whole thing just makes a lot of sense. I know, I know, you indy drivers are upset ... but just think, you'll be making fewer trips --- or rather, shall I say, each trip of afk piloting is more profitable. So get over it.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.15 10:13:00 -
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... Also, all indies have now the same bonus on Chaos: 5% cargo space and base speed per level... 'tis makes that cargo bay grow really nice.
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Theladon
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Posted - 2003.12.15 10:24:00 -
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Edited by: Theladon on 15/12/2003 11:39:56
Please god let this be true!!!
Atlast i will get payoff for the iteron V training
50% increase = 6000 base
5 x 5% increase for my indy skill...
4 x 25% expanders
1 x 27% expander
edit: ca 23800 cargo....wow!!...
...wow!...
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Thrak
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Posted - 2003.12.15 10:38:00 -
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Get all 27.44% expanders, with 5 of those puppys, plus the obligatory 8 giant containers -
6000 x 1.25 x (1.2744^5) + (8x900) = 32411 cargo capacity.
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Pod Me
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Posted - 2003.12.15 11:25:00 -
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Assuming the current nerf on cargo expanders on chaos turns out to be an error...
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nonsequitur
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Posted - 2003.12.15 12:24:00 -
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Local hull CE's now only boost 18%, which is about a 10% drop from previous. I can see making some changes for T2 CE's but to put the T1 back to near basic grade, T2 will look like what the old T1 meta stuff was already.
with the current changes to ship hold sizes, the numbers still are on par with what a hauler is used to carrying, my bestower with 4 locals is still about 11k. It will take the T2 to see any bonus from the new indy boosts.
should be interesting to see when it hits. (:
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theMAD1
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Posted - 2003.12.15 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: theMAD1 on 15/12/2003 14:10:47
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... Also, all indies have now the same bonus on Chaos: 5% cargo space and base speed per level... 'tis makes that cargo bay grow really nice.
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2003.12.15 14:19:00 -
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I think the change to cargo expanders are to prevent people from turning their armageddon into an indy. I had over 4,000 cargo capacity in my armageddon - 8x 27% xpandrs - with five miner2 and two xecl beams. I suspect they didn't think this was in line with the game storyline.
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Nikodaemonicus
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Posted - 2003.12.15 14:22:00 -
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should be interesting to see when it hits. (:
Until then, we can call this a total nerf to haulers, a high amount of EVE player base.
So if I understood well, we are going to have less speed and less cargo on industrial ships (aka MWD and CE). Thnxs god for fixing race bonus
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The whole thing just makes a lot of sense. I know, I know, you indy drivers are upset ... but just think, you'll be making fewer trips ---
This is gonna happen only when those pilots come across some good Tech2 CE's |
Cao Cao
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Posted - 2003.12.15 14:26:00 -
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... Also, all indies have now the same bonus on Chaos: 5% cargo space and base speed per level... 'tis makes that cargo bay grow really nice.
All the bestower brats are gonna be super happy with that! Oh yeah --- and isn't there a 4th low slot on the mammoth?
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2003.12.15 14:47:00 -
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So with the new changes i wonder if any indy will replace the badger mk 2 as the worst high lvl indy...
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K. Raven
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.12.15 14:59:00 -
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actually the badger2 aint so bad now....
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.15 16:40:00 -
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"Oh yeah --- and isn't there a 4th low slot on the mammoth?"
Aye; 4 low slots and 5.625 m3 of base cargo space if i rememeber correctly... quite suitable for lvl.4 indy. :s
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SUNscatcher
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Posted - 2003.12.15 16:58:00 -
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so the one indy race, amarr, gets the same bonus its always had? Sounds like bestowers getting screwed here.
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Stepping Razor
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Posted - 2003.12.15 17:00:00 -
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Bah, I'm not sure there really is a defense for them being this slow. Aside from Plutonium runs, what haul is profitable enough to be worth having an escort along? *just to protect the darned thing from gate NPC?*.
Ah, I might just be whinging. I suppose deep-space miners can still use insta-jump BMs non-camped gates. So it's really more an issue of 100% vulnerability to player pirates, yes?
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.15 17:12:00 -
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"so the one indy race, amarr, gets the same bonus its always had? Sounds like bestowers getting screwed here."
... OMFG, nevermind that 'bonus its always had' was the only reason so many people were picking the Bestower in first place. So the ship remains as useful as ever, and gets the increased cargo bay on top of that... how is it "getting screwed"?
(how about making it 5% more yellow per level instead? 9.9
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SUNscatcher
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Posted - 2003.12.15 19:54:00 -
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Well just to be a greedy little ole bestower owner I want what the others get plus what i already have thus for amarr indies it should be +10% per level, just to keep the indies balanced like they were before. Other wise a lot of people will be getting cargo expansion and level bonus while us loyal bestower captains just get cargo expansion,
AT least give us another low slot for cying out loud, WE ARE the AMARR, we have the best most modern ships!!!! DAMITALLTOHELL
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Jikoru Baka
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Posted - 2003.12.15 20:08:00 -
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The bonus to cargo space based on skill only applies for levels above the base needed to pilot the indy.
For example:
Cargo bonus equation: Base*(1+.05*(Indy Level-Skill needed to pilot))
You have Gallente Indy 5
Iteron I has 3000 cargo with the new patch and takes GI 1 to pilot
3000*(1+.05*(5-1))=3600 cargo
Iteron V has 6000 cargo and takes GI 5
6000*(1+.05*(5-5))=6000 cargo
Hense, having GI trained to level 5 will not give you any advantage in cargo space expcept the ability to fly a ship with more cargo.
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Other Minion
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Posted - 2003.12.16 00:03:00 -
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So with the new changes i wonder if any indy will replace the badger mk 2 as the worst high lvl indy...
Take a look at the badger mkII now. Highest sheilds, highest pwr, highest cpu, the most med slots.
Plus 3 low slots and 6300 cargo with caldari indy lvl 4.
Was using one to kill rats on chaos with a med proj gun.
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2003.12.16 00:24:00 -
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looks like bestower gonna be the worst indy 
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Jikoru Baka
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Posted - 2003.12.16 02:59:00 -
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Edited by: Jikoru Baka on 16/12/2003 03:08:07
The Bestower will still be the best indy, even the Iteron won't beat the Bestower.
With Gallente Indy 5, the Iteron MK5 will have 6000 cargo. However, with Amarr Indy 4, the Bestower will have 6037.5 cargo, and with 5 it'd be 6300.
Remember, with all ships the bonus only applies to level ABOVE what it takes to pilot the ship, therefor the Gallente Indy skill at 5 won't give any bonus to the MK5 since that's the minimum level needed to pilot that ship.
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BigBadToughGuy
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Posted - 2003.12.16 06:43:00 -
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I hate sounding negative, I really do, but if the entire purpose behind the changes in this patch are to balance things, I think they may have missed something.
I admit that it never dawned on me that the bonus applied to the level above what you needed to pilot the ship. Along with that then, why don't Bestower captains get a higher bonus since they had that bonus already and why don't MK V captains get anything for training nearly 2 months to get one? I realize you can't please everyone but originally you put the time into a MK V because of the potential of having a larger base hold and 5 low slots for ce's to have the largest bay in space, now that will be negated and that time spent for naught when a new bestower will beat you with half the training time.
Only way to fix it now would seem to be giving Bestowers a 7-10% increase per level and give the MK V all of her 8 low slots and that will keep things balanced.
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Babar
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Posted - 2003.12.16 07:49:00 -
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The bonus to cargo space based on skill only applies for levels above the base needed to pilot the indy.
When did they make this change, and why isn't it mentioned in the patch notes?
Until I see someone else confirm this, I'll just assume you're trolling. Or worse.
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2003.12.16 08:10:00 -
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I hate sounding negative, I really do, but if the entire purpose behind the changes in this patch are to balance things, I think they may have missed something.
I admit that it never dawned on me that the bonus applied to the level above what you needed to pilot the ship. Along with that then, why don't Bestower captains get a higher bonus since they had that bonus already and why don't MK V captains get anything for training nearly 2 months to get one? I realize you can't please everyone but originally you put the time into a MK V because of the potential of having a larger base hold and 5 low slots for ce's to have the largest bay in space, now that will be negated and that time spent for naught when a new bestower will beat you with half the training time.
Only way to fix it now would seem to be giving Bestowers a 7-10% increase per level and give the MK V all of her 8 low slots and that will keep things balanced.
Ask a mk5 pilot if they think their training was worth it :) trust me, TRUST me, the bestower is a piece of **** in comparison. Aside from the fact that mk5 has 5 low slots (a whole extra expander if you want) the entire ship otherwise is just better. It has uber armor, uber shields, uber mid slots, uber grid, uber CPU, uber low slots, ...
The bestower, on the other hand, can't even survive a couple 4k pirates if it has to travel more than 25km.
Just go ask a mk5 pilot, like I said. They will set you straight
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Kennian
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Posted - 2003.12.16 08:49:00 -
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the guy above dosnt have any idea what he's talking about...
bonuses for ship level are bonus times level..
a iteron five will have a base cargo of 7500 units, nowhere in the patch notes does it say anything about only being above the level needed to pilot..
jeeze...
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.16 09:12:00 -
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"Take a look at the badger mkII now. Highest sheilds, highest pwr, highest cpu, the most med slots."
... Badger is now a wet dream of the closet pirate -- 3 low slots for cap recharge, enough middle slots for ecm, scrambler and passive targetter, can mount medium turret and has huge cargo bay to store all the loot. ;s
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