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Goumindong
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Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2007.02.17 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Goumindong on 17/02/2007 14:21:20
 Originally by: Jiekon
If you are talking about shooting his containers or wrecks to cause agression, then no, it is not allowed. This is an exploit and it will be fixed ASAP.
If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine.
That seems like rather like its using the mechanics of the game in order to put someone at a disadvantage they shouldnt be in. Which is seperate from the intent of the aggress timer. Which is to stop ship/pod saving by logging in combat/dangerous situations.
So long of course if the person who aggresses you is not friendly it doesnt make a lot of sense.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.02.17 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
1. The titan pilot was outside of the bubble. AFAIK, inside, you cannot set off a smartbomb.
2. The titan pilot had damage messages off.
If either of these were not true, the titan would likely have not been lost.
True, but that matters little to the question of whether or not maniuplating game mechanics in order to achieve an unintended result is an exploit or not.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2007.02.17 15:47:00 -
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Edited by: Goumindong on 17/02/2007 15:47:55
Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich
CCP states "It Is Not An Exploit", and still you question if the tactic was an exploit....
There is a distinct qualitative difference between logging to avoid combat, what the mechanic is in place to specifically prevent, and abusing the system in order to destroy a players ship and pod using a game mechanic for a legitimate purpose, circumventing the typical 2 minute timer that exists for those pilots to do just that.
Similarly, without a 0.0 visible aggro timer or log-off warning a properly timed attack is impossible to defend against.
To quote the EULA "An exploit is when someone bypasses normal game mechanics, such as by utilizing a bug in the game, allowing him to take advantage of other players without them having any means of preventing it whatsoever"
And truncated "An exploit is when someone bypasses normal game mechanics allowing him to take advantage of other players without them having any means of preventing it whatsoever"
So we need no way of preventing it. Check, there no way to stop properly timed log out attack. And after executed, the ship in space is floating scrap.
and we need to bypass a normal game mechanic. Check, bypassing the normal non-aggressed 2 minute timer.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.02.18 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
The aggro timer is there to prevent a ship that has been in combat, consensual or not, from logging out of the game instantly. The D2 titan was attacked outside of a POS bubble, with a smartbomb, and the pilot was given every indication that any other player gets. Turning it off is their choice, and if CCP reimburse him, they're going to get a few thousand petitions from people who have died the same way.
This is false the number of ships that have died while logging off with an aggression timer applied by corp mates is not nearly as high as you believe.
The mechanic was exploited by the definition given in the FAQ.
That is about all you need to know.
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