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Kalkin84
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.02.17 18:44:00 -
[61]
A quick glance at AAA's killboard correctly displays who's side who is on.
http://www.a-kills.com
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Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.02.17 18:49:00 -
[62]
 Originally by: Gunship
Regardless Outbreak simply wanted to help what they clearly and correct saw as a 5000 man blob against 500 men. Cost nothing. Getting MC was a fair price. Killing the mothership and doing my best ever tackle and create a little eve history.... priceless.
Thats actually quite sig-worthy anyway you see it! 
/Lowa
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Max Teranous
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.17 20:04:00 -
[63]
Originally by: batloard
how did they know it was even there? hell i didnt even know up until now 
Let's just say Evil Thug was a little slow on the cloak button when he logged in. 
Max 
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Zafon
Caldari
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.17 21:14:00 -
[64]
"Facts" as presented by Thoric Throsthammer..... Gunship has had one go at this, but I'd like a little bite at it too :-).
Fact: Your alliance was formed by a DICE alt, Mr. Evill. Mr. Evill returned to being a DICE alt 6 hours later when your directors took over.
True. As Gunship said, Mr Evill formed the alliance for us. We were going stir crazy living out of POS and wanted the egg hatched. To do that you need sovreignty, to do that you need an alliance. We were short of somebody with the skills. End of story.
Fact: You maintain a DICE office in your station.
True. Not sure why though, haven't seen DICE in these parts for ages. If nothing else it was a nice thank you for them helping (yes, all fifteen of them  ) us protect the system while the egg hatched).
Fact: LV found your station important enough to move a Titan several long jumps from their conflict with RAGoon, in the middle of fighting, to use it on us.
Not fact. Argument. I could equally say that Chow enjoys getting lots of killmails and saw an opportunity to move up the LV killboard.
Fact: it appears, based on further investigation, that many of your leaders still have alts in either DICE, or LV.
Not fact. It's a statement presented as fact, a very different thing. Requires proof or is nothing but libel.
Fact: Bringing MC's ENTIRE cap fleet + support in is very, very expensive. You've lost billions in assets over the last few weeks. The new regions are rich, but I think not so rich a poor little pirate alliance could pull that off when they are already theoretically paying Outbreak for 24/7 coverage.
The only fact is that MC are expensive. Everything else is laughable. The only thing that is an insult to me is the "poor little pirate alliance" comment, but then again the irony is beautiful  . As for who else you insulted there .
Fact: According to posts by AAA of the intel they pulled off MC forums, they didn't just come to help you on contract, they CANCELLED the contract they were on for BoB war deccing the northern alliance to come help you with their entire fleet. This means BoB must have let them off to help you. Or directed them to help you.
No facts anywhere in sight. More statement of things as facts, with no proof. There's more here but if you can't see it I won't point out the obvious.
You presented two facts, both of which you misconstrued. Everything else is a house of cards built on foundations that are, frankly, wrong. In truth your entire offensive against Fatal has been nothing more, and nothing less, than a blatant aggressive land grab that you have sought to justify on the basis of your interpretation of our relationships, and, if that was correct, what it might mean.
 Your interpretation and understanding of our relationships is wrong.
Your understanding of what it means is wrong.
Your conclusions are wrong.
Based on numbers alone you thought we were going to be a push over. You were wrong.
 Perhaps you could rethink things.
Until, and if you do, see you in space . I've said it before, personally speaking this has been the best, most intense, and most enjoyable gaming experience of my life. The rest of Fatal feels the same way. We're enjoying this  .
Regards,
Zafon
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.17 21:20:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Evil Thug on 17/02/2007 21:16:44
Originally by: Max Teranous
Originally by: batloard
how did they know it was even there? hell i didnt even know up until now
Let's just say Evil Thug was a little slow on the cloak button when he logged in.
I cloaked instantly, when arrived on SS. I just lost "log-in first" game. Strange, since i won this game almost all time
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Agent Kenshin
Caldari
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.17 21:22:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Evil Thug
Edited by: Evil Thug on 17/02/2007 21:16:44
Originally by: Max Teranous
Originally by: batloard
how did they know it was even there? hell i didnt even know up until now
Let's just say Evil Thug was a little slow on the cloak button when he logged in.
I cloaked instantly, when arrived on SS. I just lost "log-in first" game. Strange, since i won this game almost all time
You just cant be the ebil greifer Strad. 
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Pesadel0
Vagabundos
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Posted - 2007.02.17 21:41:00 -
[67]
MC were never neutral.
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Vasili Z
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.17 21:47:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Fedaykinn
Edited by: Fedaykinn on 17/02/2007 14:39:54
Everyone knows MC have no indipendance at all they are basically a BoB force who claim they have indipendance from BoB when everyone knows they dont.
There not a mercenery force there a "Shoot whoever BoB tells you" force becaouse our outposts are in BoB space so were too scared to shoot back at our masters bascially
Stop talking for everyone. Just because you're a moron, doesn't mean "everyone" else is. Stop skipping English class for Eve btw.
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Marko Debreault
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.17 22:10:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Marko Debreault on 17/02/2007 22:07:44
Originally by: Gunship
Outbreak simply wanted to help what they clearly and correct saw as a 5000 man blob against 500 men. Cost nothing.
My first information about this conflict came from reading the forums. We had a couple of options. We could ignore it, make it a three way, or choose a side.
Before this conflict erupted we had fought every single entity involved in this fight in one form or another. FATAL had utterly wrecked a roving gang of ours a month or two prior to this incident, and then let our pods go, because they're a class act.
I liked what I could tell about them. They look like the kind of entity that I want to see succeed in EVE. Tough, honest, and not afraid to take the big risks. They remind me a bit of Wildcard in that way.
So I initiated contact with FATAL. Out of the blue. I convoed them, they seemed reasonable, so I offered to come fight on their side.
The rest is history.
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Nastratu
Minmatar
Serefon Creatin
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Posted - 2007.02.17 22:57:00 -
[70]
This is a link to the interview with Seleene where she explains why MC reside on BoB territory and why they never attacked BoB. Read and draw your own conclusions.
Interview
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Valekrin Ziemisra
12-Gauge
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Posted - 2007.02.17 23:58:00 -
[71]
Reading Seleene's explanation does nothing in forming a conclusion, its the MC's actions that do. By definition mercs hold no loyalty to anyone but themselves so anything they say is pure propaganda.
I am gonna guess MC's position on this war is to keep a low profile and see who gets the upper hand then try and make a deal. If you see them in the new regions its probably their plan B incase the bandwagon rolls over them
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Metatron Celestia
Gallente
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.02.18 00:00:00 -
[72]
FATAL/Allies, please lets not derail this thread with rants/discussions/accusations about our current war, there's a thread about it already.
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Faw'kin Friendly
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Posted - 2007.02.18 06:31:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Faw''kin Friendly on 18/02/2007 06:28:56
MC are puppets of BOB. They share BPO weither there from the DEV's GM'S so on building ships giving each other cheap bpc so on so on. They work together and live in the same space. To ask if there on BOB'S side is like asking did the DEV'S ever support BOB'S allaince which we all know is true. Now the good question is when bob finally falls without the support of the DEV's and GM's will MC go down with the sinking ship or flip on BOB?
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
STK Scientific
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.18 06:43:00 -
[74]
Marko's Story sounds about right. Outbreak lives for a good fight, saw one in YM- and jumped at the chance w/o thinking twice. Plus they're insane...
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Nooey
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.18 06:49:00 -
[75]
MC are only pets of BoB insofar as they are pets of any client. BoB being their highest-paying client doesn't make them their ultimate overlord for now and forever.
If someone could offer the MC a better deal, do you think they wouldn't take it?
Of course they would.
Fact is however, nobody is willing to make that offer at the moment, and only a select few even can. That makes the MC smart in their choice of clients, and not anything else. They are enslaved by one thing only, their own interests.
I honestly think it really is that simple.
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Kozak
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.18 06:55:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Nooey
MC are only pets of BoB insofar as they are pets of any client. BoB being their highest-paying client doesn't make them their ultimate overlord for now and forever.
If someone could offer the MC a better deal, do you think they wouldn't take it?
Of course they would.
Fact is however, nobody is willing to make that offer at the moment, and only a select few even can. That makes the MC smart in their choice of clients, and not anything else. They are enslaved by one thing only, their own interests.
I honestly think it really is that simple.
I believe Cyvok made them an offer, they didn't take it.
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Nooey
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.18 07:01:00 -
[77]
"Offer" doesn't necessarily translate to "better deal".
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.18 08:11:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Kozak
I believe Cyvok made them an offer, they didn't take it.
Cyvok never offered us a deal against BoB.
Since this big war has started no one has bothered to contact us with regard to attack BoB since, obviously, we're puppets.
People should realize, however, that the MC is not an alliance of 500 or 1000 people. We can't put up fleets of 150-200 people nightly so AAA's attack on our territory will be dealt with in whatever manner we can manage. Honestly, I think ET just wants a good challange and some nice fights. We're down with that and will be happy to oblige. If the goal is actually to remove us from our home, then that changes things quite a bit. We'll do what we are forced to do to survive.
Persoanlly, I'd be just fine watching the galaxy burn itself down around us and then offer our services to the highest bidder afterwards.
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Tiuwaz
Minmatar
The Nest
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.18 08:25:00 -
[79]
well isnt it cheaper to first take MC's outpost and then hire them against Bob, then pay astronomical sums for a Bob contract while MC still retains their outposts there ;p
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Minmatar
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.02.18 08:44:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Ponderous Thunderstroke on 18/02/2007 08:41:20
OK, so clearly they won't attack BoB because it's counter to their interests, all cries of 'pet' and 'BoB-alt' aside. Wanna test their neutrality and committment to the almighty ISKie? Draw up a contract, properly backed with a solid tactical plan and sufficient monetary inducement, for MC to attack LV or FIX. If they don't take it, then you can lob some accusations. Until then, this is all name-calling and rhetoric.
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Audeamus
Fatal's Marauders
Fatal Persuasion
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Posted - 2007.02.18 08:45:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Laythun
I say one last thing. Should thier outposts fall, they will have no tie to BOB space. So ofc the price of a BOB contract should fall.
If the outposts have fallen and BoB has lost Period Basis, then yes, I'd agree that the price of a BoB contract should fall. The mere loss of the outposts, however, in a situation where BoB (or the MC itself) would eventually kick them back out, would not.
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rodgerd
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.18 08:54:00 -
[82]
Edited by: rodgerd on 18/02/2007 08:54:44
Originally by: Cabadrin
What the coalition chooses to do is their own matter. The MC doesn't see any of them as hostile unless they attack us, or unless someone pays us to attack them. We encourage members of the coalition to contact us to pursue business relationships.
The funny thing is that on another Eve-related forum I frequent I have an MC pilot claiming MC are on BoB's side. May I assume he is simply talking out of turn? And should I advise him to ask his leadership before stating MC positions?
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hybridundertaker
Amarr
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.18 08:55:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Hans Roaming
Edited by: Hans Roaming on 17/02/2007 14:20:50
Well AAA who fly with the coalition are sitting in our space right now.
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hybridundertaker
Amarr
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.18 09:01:00 -
[84]
crap i wanted to make a joke and say it loks Hans like AAA is ure destiny, but the little green forum gremčlin made me misclick again :P
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Amerame
Section XIII
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Posted - 2007.02.18 10:18:00 -
[85]
AAA is doing MC a favor by removing their assets from BoB's space.
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:39:00 -
[86]
MC have always said they will attack BOB if the price is right.
It never has been.
However if MC look like losing space and BOB look weaker the chances of someone suddenly offering the right price must increase.
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Frygok
Minmatar
Black Lance
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:48:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Omega Man
MC have always said they will attack BOB if the price is right.
It never has been.
However if MC look like losing space and BOB look weaker the chances of someone suddenly offering the right price must increase.
The problem is, is the prize that MC demands(No one knows just how high that prize is) to attack BoB is so much higher than any other, that no alliance are able to pay it?
If that is the case, then they are neutral in theory, but in practise they will never attack BoB, thus making them stand on BoB side from the enemies of BoB point of view. Frankly, enemies of BoB does not have the luxury of saying "they are probably neutral" about a very capable entity residing in BoB territory.
To make it short: There is no such thing as neutral in Alliance war, especially not when you are located in the space of one of the fighting sides.
However, I do wonder what exactly FIX and BOB members where doing in MC space, fighting -A-, if MC is unattached to BOB. One would think FIX and BOB were busy elsewhere.
NOTE: Above is my personal views, and not that of corporation or alliance
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Eleese
Caldari
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.18 12:47:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Evil Thug
Edited by: Evil Thug on 17/02/2007 21:16:44
Originally by: Max Teranous
Originally by: batloard
how did they know it was even there? hell i didnt even know up until now
Let's just say Evil Thug was a little slow on the cloak button when he logged in.
I cloaked instantly, when arrived on SS. I just lost "log-in first" game. Strange, since i won this game almost all time
Sorry I'll log in slower next time Saw you in local heard the rumours thought **** it I'm gonna check scanner and there the ss-18 was.
Not that it matters you still got to splat lots of people with it and I'm sure you get alot more titans are quite hard to avoid.
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PMolkenthin
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.18 13:02:00 -
[89]
I could never understand why so many people are so interested in MC's relations, and our affairs.
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.18 13:07:00 -
[90]
Originally by: PMolkenthin
I could never understand why so many people are so interested in MC's relations, and our affairs.
Fear.
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