Originally by: Nooey

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Originally by: Gungankllr

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Edited by: Gungankllr on 18/02/2007 03:20:26
Paradoxe, your post is the most logical, intelligent articulate post I have ever read in three plus years of reading these forums.

Now only if somebody that matters would act on it.

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- Band of Brothers capitalized on the above facts ruthlessly, and mobilized an Anti-Titan fleet on the scene in under 5 minutes. Whilst it was opportunism on their behalf, it was no accident.
- Band of Brothers acted in an extremely underhanded fashion, and yet, entirely within acceptable gameplay rules. They did not cheat to kill this Titan. They did not exploit to kill this Titan. It was a legitimate kill.

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Edited by: Nez Perces on 18/02/2007 03:46:18



After reading your posts Avernus... I would like to ask you a question.

You don't have to answer it if you don't want to.

Would you have authorised an operation such as the one undertaken by BoB to kill D2's Titan?

Would you have let FIX pilots go deep undercover to explicitly take advantage of game mechanics to trigger that aggro timer?

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Originally by: Paradoxex

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Edited by: Paradoxex on 18/02/2007 05:07:52
Let me reiterate...in no way am I arguing that D2 doesn't share some of the blame. The OP is right in that they should have safe guarded against every way that their titan could have been destroyed. This point is accepted.

What I disagree with is that BoB and even CCP are not to be blamed at all. I highly doubt anyone can coherently argue that the aggro timer was introduced so that large ships could be taken down in the manner that the Erebus was. It just wasn't an intended use of that game mechanic. Not to parse words, but that's pretty close to the definition of an in-game exploit.

Can you argue that it was an innovative usage of a game play problem that hasn't been fixed? Sure...but I think if we take a step back we realize that when we start relying on game mechanics issues to succeed in a game, we are very close to that game not being fun anymore. Again, people pay for realism, and this sort of game play shatters that illusion for us all.

BoB did nothing explicitly illegal, that's true. What they did was shameful though, and totally contrary to the values associated with their name, and contrary to an idea that they fiercely defend: That they are simply better PvP pilots than everyone else in the game. This had nothing to do with equipping or piloting a ship. Nothing. Other people realize this, and are criticizing BoB for it. Again, I can't figure out why there's a problem with this.

I know CCP has a set of policies regarding what they can say about specific losses and subjects that may already be under petition. That said, some clarification of what leeway players have in using these gameplay mechanics subversively would be appreciated. It's easy to go on a case-by-case basis when caracals and dominixes are the only ships being blown up. When a titan blows up, however, in a manner as controversial as this, the community takes notice, and as such keeping a quiet lip is starting to do more harm for the integrity of the game then speaking out would.

There is blame to go around here, and if you applied the OP's logic to everyday circumstances, you would realize that rarely, if ever, is blame one-sided. That's the ultimate point of the OP, and what I take issue with.

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Originally by: USN CVN72

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you talk to much Avernus... hope your boyz r doing well down south because soon your dead meat

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Avernus talks to much. Fix knows what im saying soon they will pay for being aligned with Bob/ After LV fix will be next...

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Originally by: Arlenna Molatov

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And here folks is a PRIME example of people who take events that happen in a game and can't let go of them once they walk away from the PC. This is what more and more peolpe are seeing. ACTUAL INTENDED HATRED of people ove an internet line...in a MAKE BELIEVE GAME!

That why Eve and this very community is going down the wretched toilet. This used to be such a great community..and game. Now all you see are threats, whines, crying...call-outs, people looking in dictonaries to find a different way of putting down others. And no, not all of it is ....RP. Most of it in this whole forum is real. And that is totally pathetic.

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Originally by: USN CVN72

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Originally by: Avernus

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Edited to remove way too much quotable material... and once again to fix the quotes I just broke.

Originally by: USN CVN72

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you talk to much Avernus... hope your boyz r doing well down south because soon your dead meat

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Avernus talks to much. Fix knows what im saying soon they will pay for being aligned with Bob/ After LV fix will be next...

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Fortunately some of us who do talk to much at least have the advantage of having correctly read the original post and don't go off on unrelated (and already negated) tangents. By definition, that would mean those who know what they are responding to are constructively (or destructively) adding to a thread; whereas if you have no clue to begin with, combined with a lack of basic reading comprehension, your contribution turns into nothing more than a wet fart in polite company.

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Avernus - i will respond to you with a Smile and a hug!!!
real soon you and i will be in the same system fighting...

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Originally by: Wicke

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At a time in our existence where the highest number of literate people exist, this blind hatred is remarkably ironic.

And its sad.

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