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Jita Bloodtear Bloodtear Labs 44	Posted - 2011.12.18 03:54:00 - [1] - Quote Something is driving this price up. The supply is not meeting the demand. The market doesn't have the volume it normally does. In the last month it has nearly doubled in price from 28 up to 48-50 now. When you place a buy order, you get .01'd so often that by the time you fulfill it, you've paid more than if you had bought from the sell orders. Jita buy prices are above Amarr sell prices. Is this the new Goon conspiracy for market manipulation? Or random coincidence? Can't control the trit and pyerite, likewise the high ends are too easily supplied by WHs and nullsec. This middle ground mineral can not be mined easily in bulk, it makes the perfect strangehold chokepoint to raise the price of all T1 goods by 15-17% so far. /tinfoil
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking 3	Posted - 2011.12.18 05:18:00 - [2] - Quote http://i.imgur.com/27Yk7.png
Brock Nelson 96	Posted - 2011.12.18 05:28:00 - [3] - Quote PUT YOUR ***** TINFOIL HAT ON AND SHUT THE HELL UP OR ELSE GOONSWARM WILL INVADE YOUR DREAMS AND ** YOU LIKE THE LITTLE PUBBIE YOU ARE
Brock Nelson 96	Posted - 2011.12.18 05:28:00 - [4] - Quote Sorry, caps
Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 3	Posted - 2011.12.18 05:33:00 - [5] - Quote Diatribe like that and your sorry for the fact you mistakenly hit caps lock, I ask you. YOU MUST THINK FIRST....
OllieNorth Recidivists Incorporated 24	Posted - 2011.12.18 06:12:00 - [6] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: Diatribe like that and your sorry for the fact you mistakenly hit caps lock, I ask you. Welcome to MD, good sir. Please pull up a chair and pop open a Quafe. youmustbenewhere.png
Loki Ember State War Academy Caldari State 1	Posted - 2011.12.18 07:06:00 - [7] - Quote Much of the problem would be due to speculators like me. I don't care what you (or anyone) need Mexallon to do. I care only that I can bounce the price to make a ridiculous profit in a matter of hours. Right now, you can successfully bounce the entire Mexallon market over the course of a few hours with few alts in central hubs and about 4 - 5 Billion ISK. Do you have any idea how trivial that is and how many speculators start feeling the money hairs on the back of their necks tingle when they see enough bouncing? It snowballs faster than you'd believe as the lemmings come pouring in like manna from Heaven to do what I couldn't possibly afford to do in terms of time, effort, and ISK. They take all the risks in the swings and all that's left is profit. There are about a dozen major commodities on the market right now which are similarly trivial to bounce in a similar fashion. Liquid Ozone is another one. Throw a few billion in at the right time and the right place, then watch the fireworks. Profit, rinse, repeat. Is that clear and simply stated enough for you? Rather than posting every idle question, spend a little time over the course of a few days actually watching how items move in the major markets.
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking 3	Posted - 2011.12.18 07:30:00 - [8] - Quote Whoops, wrong character...
Skorpynekomimi E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector 16	Posted - 2011.12.18 08:24:00 - [9] - Quote Goon interdiction of gallente highsec probably pushed it up a little.
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate 245	Posted - 2011.12.18 09:02:00 - [10] - Quote Just looked on the merket of it here and that would mean i could buy out all and put it back in jita price o.0
cigarellos Trade Federation Directorate 3	Posted - 2011.12.18 09:28:00 - [11] - Quote Yes. -cig
Xearal SOL Industries Black Thorne Alliance 68	Posted - 2011.12.18 21:05:00 - [12] - Quote My guess would be, there's a lot of people out there building ltos and lots of tier 3 BCs. Quite a few of the high research BPO's should about now be comeing out of research and it's time to set those to work. Add to that that the market for mex isn't all that flexible, as it comes from plagio and kernite. Kernite however is also used in level 4 missions, hence it's higher than regular price, so refining this at a loss is a bad idea, meaning that the only people that supply the market with mex is the ones mining plagio. Now, Plagio is found in Minnie and Gallente space, and in gallente space i think people are a little wary of mining, lest some bored goons decide that there's not enough macks to shoot, so go for some belt mining hulks instead.
Scrapyard Bob EVE University Ivy League 457	Posted - 2011.12.19 00:02:00 - [13] - Quote Only regular Kernite is used for L4 storyline missions, and those storyline missions are now a bit rarer since CCP added other potential storyline missions. The +5% and +10% ores still get refined down into minerals. While Kernite is the biggest feeder of Mexallon, there's also Pyrox. Both of which are found in Amarr regions. In Minmatar regions, only Plagio contains Mex unless you go to lo-sec (Jaspet) or find a grav site. However, the Minmatar regions are not highly populated and I'm not sure that the Amarr regions are as much as they used to be. A bit of market speculation, but mostly demand outstripping supply - and supply side hasn't changed course yet to start mining the better ores.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 67	Posted - 2011.12.19 01:37:00 - [14] - Quote Price has been rising since the expansion came out. It's the real bottleneck for the tier 3 BCs, with about a quarter million units per. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator and other useful utilities.
Xuzi Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 15	Posted - 2011.12.19 01:44:00 - [15] - Quote Hurray! I'm gonna go mine a little to celebrate.
Xearal SOL Industries Black Thorne Alliance 69	Posted - 2011.12.19 04:02:00 - [16] - Quote Pyrox doesn't contain mex, only nox and trit. and yes I know the 5% and 10%s get refined, however, there's less of that around, and when someone is mining kernite, they would go for the smart option, of mining the regular stuff, which earns them more, unless the price of mex goes up, so the richer ores are worth mining for minerals. As for minnie space being underpopulated. Possibly, but that only enhances my point of the mex being inflexible to demand.
Scrapyard Bob EVE University Ivy League 458	Posted - 2011.12.19 04:24:00 - [17] - Quote Xearal wrote: Pyrox doesn't contain mex, only nox and trit. http://eve.grismar.net/ore/ 1 batch of Pyrox contains: 844 Trit 59 Pye 120 Mex 11 Nocx (It is, however, the 3rd worst source of Mex from all the hi-sec ores. But it's also worth about 139 ISK/m3 at the moment, with Plag at 129 ISK/m3, Kern at 125 ISK/m3 and Veld/Scord at around 98-100 ISK/m3. Lo-sec ores are running 153-166 ISK/m3 range. Pyrox has been the hi-sec darling of the ores for the past few months. And I think Pyrox was changed a while ago to include Mex/Pye.)
FastJack316 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5	Posted - 2011.12.19 08:07:00 - [18] - Quote Jita Bloodtear wrote: Is this the new Goon conspiracy for market manipulation? Yes! We also orchestrated the housing market crash
Anya Ohaya School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 41	Posted - 2011.12.19 08:41:00 - [19] - Quote I don't know about everyone else but I sold my mex when the price spiked and now I barely have enough to make antimatter L. The price of antimatter L has shot up too. I suspect it's a combination of the new battle-cruisers and the hybrid re-balance.
Seleia O'Sinnor Arklight Project Fade 2 Black 92	Posted - 2011.12.19 08:48:00 - [20] - Quote Where are the hisec bots mining Plagioclase? Eve community: An angry mob of bright people hunting witches, more torches, more hay forks, growing and growing.
Celeste Benal University of Caille Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2011.12.19 08:49:00 - [21] - Quote Mex is drying up due to the introduction of Tier 3 BC, which have a lot more mexallon than average for a BC-sized ship. The price has been going up for about the same amount of time. /me looking at that screen cap price, eyes big. I need to get into Jita more.
Lone Shark Lone Shark Corp 0	Posted - 2011.12.19 10:45:00 - [22] - Quote FastJack316 wrote: Jita Bloodtear wrote: Is this the new Goon conspiracy for market manipulation? Yes! We also orchestrated the housing market crash I imagine that's true Probably a lot of goonies with sub prime mortgages
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids Pleasure Syndicate 26	Posted - 2011.12.19 11:12:00 - [23] - Quote Probably all the bots broke because of some changes in Crucible :)
Berluth Luthian 14th Legion Sanctuary Pact 0	Posted - 2011.12.19 12:42:00 - [24] - Quote I'm about 75% sure that I've seen missions in highsec in Minmatar space that have quite a bit of Mex, like 10-15 million isk worth in one mission. I wish I could sell that more easily. It makes me wonder how much time people have spent on mining missions and if they have good returns or qualities f=different than what is normally found in empire space.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 67	Posted - 2011.12.19 13:35:00 - [25] - Quote Berluth Luthian wrote: I'm about 75% sure that I've seen missions in highsec in Minmatar space that have quite a bit of Mex, like 10-15 million isk worth in one mission. I wish I could sell that more easily. It makes me wonder how much time people have spent on mining missions and if they have good returns or qualities f=different than what is normally found in empire space. Main benefit to mining in missions is that it's a /little/ harder to be found. Someone has to use combat probes to do it, rather than bouncing through the belts, or core probes to find the grav site. So you're less likely to be found by gankers, or other miners. Bit safer to jetcan mine. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator and other 'useful' utilities.
Lucinda Hamu Hedion University Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2011.12.19 13:48:00 - [26] - Quote Goons get blamed of everything. Hell if my marriage failed and I posted on here about it, someone would blame the goons. TC3 BC's and Supply & Demand would be my guess.
Tasko Pal Spallated Garniferous Schist 21	Posted - 2011.12.19 19:18:00 - [27] - Quote Someone has to sink the blame or we'd have blame inflation!
Chwarisma Sarum Sosarir Storm Tech 8	Posted - 2011.12.20 21:56:00 - [28] - Quote Since the start of Crucible, Mexallon prices have skyrocked. Pyerite became more valuable, too. A) In the past, Pyerite and Mexallon were mostly harvested by means of looting (Mineral Faucet from QEN 2008). B) In comparison to direct ore mining, the ratio of looted minerals does not change much over time unless the loot-tables are changed. C) Ores with much Mexallon: 1. Plagioclase , 2. Kernite, 3. Pyroxers D) Ores with much Pyerite: 1. Scordite, (2. Plagioclase) E) Crucible's new T3 ships need much more Mexallon than other ships. F) Think about the Nocxium price peak after the introcduction of the Noctis... G) If you are interested in a deeper understanding of Eve's mineral prices, you may start here. The question is, whether there is higher demand for Mexallon and Pyerite (new T3 ships) or less supply because of changes in the loot-tables. Keep in mind that it's easier to mine Scordite than the other ores mentioned above, have a look how much Mexallon and Pyerite the new T3 ships - and other new (Crucible) constructible objects if you want to be precise - need and it should be clear, that Mexallon prices will behave similar to Nocxium prices one year ago. And yes, after overreacting, the Mexallon price will meet it's new equilibrium on a higher tier than before Crucible. Fly Safe, Chwarisma Sarum, CEO of Sosarir Storm Tech --- Whether you buy or sell minerals - eventually you will make Sosarir Storm Tech a rich prospering corporation.
Loraine Gess Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists 10	Posted - 2011.12.20 22:06:00 - [29] - Quote Chwarisma Sarum wrote: Fly Safe, Chwarisma Sarum, CEO of Sosarir Storm Tech --- Whether you buy or sell minerals - eventually you will make Sosarir Storm Tech a rich prospering corporation. Seriously? Am I reading this properly? You signed your own post oblivious to the big name and corp affiliation on the left, and you even wrote out your own signautre, really?
Chwarisma Sarum Sosarir Storm Tech 8	Posted - 2011.12.20 23:57:00 - [30] - Quote Loraine Gess wrote: Chwarisma Sarum wrote: Fly Safe, Chwarisma Sarum, CEO of Sosarir Storm Tech --- Whether you buy or sell minerals - eventually you will make Sosarir Storm Tech a rich prospering corporation. Seriously? Am I reading this properly? You signed your own post oblivious to the big name and corp affiliation on the left, and you even wrote out your own signautre, really? Another happy customer - good.

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