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Jita Bloodtear
Bloodtear Labs
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Posted - 2011.12.18 03:54:00 -
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Something is driving this price up.
The supply is not meeting the demand.
The market doesn't have the volume it normally does.
In the last month it has nearly doubled in price from 28 up to 48-50 now.
When you place a buy order, you get .01'd so often that by the time you fulfill it, you've paid more than if you had bought from the sell orders.
Jita buy prices are above Amarr sell prices.
Is this the new Goon conspiracy for market manipulation? Or random coincidence? Can't control the trit and pyerite, likewise the high ends are too easily supplied by WHs and nullsec. This middle ground mineral can not be mined easily in bulk, it makes the perfect strangehold chokepoint to raise the price of all T1 goods by 15-17% so far.
/tinfoil |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
3
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Posted - 2011.12.18 05:18:00 -
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http://i.imgur.com/27Yk7.png
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Brock Nelson
96
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Posted - 2011.12.18 05:28:00 -
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PUT YOUR ******* TINFOIL HAT ON AND SHUT THE HELL UP OR ELSE GOONSWARM WILL INVADE YOUR DREAMS AND **** YOU LIKE THE LITTLE PUBBIE YOU ARE |
Brock Nelson
96
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Posted - 2011.12.18 05:28:00 -
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Sorry, caps |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
3
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Posted - 2011.12.18 05:33:00 -
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Diatribe like that and your sorry for the fact you mistakenly hit caps lock, I ask you.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
24
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Posted - 2011.12.18 06:12:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Diatribe like that and your sorry for the fact you mistakenly hit caps lock, I ask you.
Welcome to MD, good sir. Please pull up a chair and pop open a Quafe.
youmustbenewhere.png |
Loki Ember
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.12.18 07:06:00 -
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Much of the problem would be due to speculators like me. I don't care what you (or anyone) need Mexallon to do. I care only that I can bounce the price to make a ridiculous profit in a matter of hours. Right now, you can successfully bounce the entire Mexallon market over the course of a few hours with few alts in central hubs and about 4 - 5 Billion ISK.
Do you have any idea how trivial that is and how many speculators start feeling the money hairs on the back of their necks tingle when they see enough bouncing? It snowballs faster than you'd believe as the lemmings come pouring in like manna from Heaven to do what I couldn't possibly afford to do in terms of time, effort, and ISK. They take all the risks in the swings and all that's left is profit. There are about a dozen major commodities on the market right now which are similarly trivial to bounce in a similar fashion. Liquid Ozone is another one. Throw a few billion in at the right time and the right place, then watch the fireworks. Profit, rinse, repeat.
Is that clear and simply stated enough for you? Rather than posting every idle question, spend a little time over the course of a few days actually watching how items move in the major markets. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
3
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Posted - 2011.12.18 07:30:00 -
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Whoops, wrong character...  |
Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
16
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Posted - 2011.12.18 08:24:00 -
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Goon interdiction of gallente highsec probably pushed it up a little. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
245
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Posted - 2011.12.18 09:02:00 -
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Just looked on the merket of it here and that would mean i could buy out all and put it back in jita price o.0 |
cigarellos
Trade Federation Directorate
3
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Posted - 2011.12.18 09:28:00 -
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Yes.
-cig |
Xearal
SOL Industries
Black Thorne Alliance
68
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Posted - 2011.12.18 21:05:00 -
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My guess would be, there's a lot of people out there building ltos and lots of tier 3 BCs. Quite a few of the high research BPO's should about now be comeing out of research and it's time to set those to work.
Add to that that the market for mex isn't all that flexible, as it comes from plagio and kernite. Kernite however is also used in level 4 missions, hence it's higher than regular price, so refining this at a loss is a bad idea, meaning that the only people that supply the market with mex is the ones mining plagio.
Now, Plagio is found in Minnie and Gallente space, and in gallente space i think people are a little wary of mining, lest some bored goons decide that there's not enough macks to shoot, so go for some belt mining hulks instead.
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
457
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Posted - 2011.12.19 00:02:00 -
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Only regular Kernite is used for L4 storyline missions, and those storyline missions are now a bit rarer since CCP added other potential storyline missions. The +5% and +10% ores still get refined down into minerals.
While Kernite is the biggest feeder of Mexallon, there's also Pyrox. Both of which are found in Amarr regions. In Minmatar regions, only Plagio contains Mex unless you go to lo-sec (Jaspet) or find a grav site. However, the Minmatar regions are not highly populated and I'm not sure that the Amarr regions are as much as they used to be.
A bit of market speculation, but mostly demand outstripping supply - and supply side hasn't changed course yet to start mining the better ores. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
67
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Posted - 2011.12.19 01:37:00 -
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Price has been rising since the expansion came out. It's the real bottleneck for the tier 3 BCs, with about a quarter million units per.
FuzzWork Enterprises
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator and other useful utilities. |
Xuzi
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2011.12.19 01:44:00 -
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Hurray! I'm gonna go mine a little to celebrate. |
Xearal
SOL Industries
Black Thorne Alliance
69
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Posted - 2011.12.19 04:02:00 -
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Pyrox doesn't contain mex, only nox and trit.
and yes I know the 5% and 10%s get refined, however, there's less of that around, and when someone is mining kernite, they would go for the smart option, of mining the regular stuff, which earns them more, unless the price of mex goes up, so the richer ores are worth mining for minerals.
As for minnie space being underpopulated. Possibly, but that only enhances my point of the mex being inflexible to demand.
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
458
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Posted - 2011.12.19 04:24:00 -
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Xearal wrote:Pyrox doesn't contain mex, only nox and trit.
http://eve.grismar.net/ore/
1 batch of Pyrox contains: 844 Trit 59 Pye 120 Mex 11 Nocx
(It is, however, the 3rd worst source of Mex from all the hi-sec ores. But it's also worth about 139 ISK/m3 at the moment, with Plag at 129 ISK/m3, Kern at 125 ISK/m3 and Veld/Scord at around 98-100 ISK/m3. Lo-sec ores are running 153-166 ISK/m3 range. Pyrox has been the hi-sec darling of the ores for the past few months.
And I think Pyrox was changed a while ago to include Mex/Pye.) |
FastJack316
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.12.19 08:07:00 -
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Jita Bloodtear wrote:
Is this the new Goon conspiracy for market manipulation?
Yes!
We also orchestrated the housing market crash |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2011.12.19 08:41:00 -
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I don't know about everyone else but I sold my mex when the price spiked and now I barely have enough to make antimatter L.
The price of antimatter L has shot up too. I suspect it's a combination of the new battle-cruisers and the hybrid re-balance. |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Arklight Project
Fade 2 Black
92
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Posted - 2011.12.19 08:48:00 -
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Where are the hisec bots mining Plagioclase?
Eve community: An angry mob of bright people hunting witches, more torches, more hay forks, growing and growing. |
Celeste Benal
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.12.19 08:49:00 -
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Mex is drying up due to the introduction of Tier 3 BC, which have a lot more mexallon than average for a BC-sized ship. The price has been going up for about the same amount of time.
/me looking at that screen cap price, eyes big. I need to get into Jita more. |
Lone Shark
Lone Shark Corp
0
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Posted - 2011.12.19 10:45:00 -
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FastJack316 wrote:Jita Bloodtear wrote:
Is this the new Goon conspiracy for market manipulation?
Yes! We also orchestrated the housing market crash
I imagine that's true
Probably a lot of goonies with sub prime mortgages |
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
Pleasure Syndicate
26
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Posted - 2011.12.19 11:12:00 -
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Probably all the bots broke because of some changes in Crucible :) |
Berluth Luthian
14th Legion
Sanctuary Pact
0
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Posted - 2011.12.19 12:42:00 -
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I'm about 75% sure that I've seen missions in highsec in Minmatar space that have quite a bit of Mex, like 10-15 million isk worth in one mission. I wish I could sell that more easily. It makes me wonder how much time people have spent on mining missions and if they have good returns or qualities f=different than what is normally found in empire space. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
67
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Posted - 2011.12.19 13:35:00 -
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Berluth Luthian wrote:I'm about 75% sure that I've seen missions in highsec in Minmatar space that have quite a bit of Mex, like 10-15 million isk worth in one mission. I wish I could sell that more easily. It makes me wonder how much time people have spent on mining missions and if they have good returns or qualities f=different than what is normally found in empire space.
Main benefit to mining in missions is that it's a /little/ harder to be found.
Someone has to use combat probes to do it, rather than bouncing through the belts, or core probes to find the grav site. So you're less likely to be found by gankers, or other miners. Bit safer to jetcan mine.
FuzzWork Enterprises
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator and other 'useful' utilities. |
Lucinda Hamu
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2011.12.19 13:48:00 -
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Goons get blamed of everything. Hell if my marriage failed and I posted on here about it, someone would blame the goons.
TC3 BC's and Supply & Demand would be my guess. |
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
21
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Posted - 2011.12.19 19:18:00 -
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Someone has to sink the blame or we'd have blame inflation! |
Chwarisma Sarum
Sosarir Storm Tech
8
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Posted - 2011.12.20 21:56:00 -
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Since the start of Crucible, Mexallon prices have skyrocked. Pyerite became more valuable, too.
A) In the past, Pyerite and Mexallon were mostly harvested by means of looting (Mineral Faucet from QEN 2008).
B) In comparison to direct ore mining, the ratio of looted minerals does not change much over time unless the loot-tables are changed.
C) Ores with much Mexallon: 1. Plagioclase , 2. Kernite, 3. Pyroxers
D) Ores with much Pyerite: 1. Scordite, (2. Plagioclase)
E) Crucible's new T3 ships need much more Mexallon than other ships.
F) Think about the Nocxium price peak after the introcduction of the Noctis...
G) If you are interested in a deeper understanding of Eve's mineral prices, you may start here.
The question is, whether there is higher demand for Mexallon and Pyerite (new T3 ships) or less supply because of changes in the loot-tables.
Keep in mind that it's easier to mine Scordite than the other ores mentioned above, have a look how much Mexallon and Pyerite the new T3 ships - and other new (Crucible) constructible objects if you want to be precise - need and it should be clear, that Mexallon prices will behave similar to Nocxium prices one year ago. And yes, after overreacting, the Mexallon price will meet it's new equilibrium on a higher tier than before Crucible.
Fly Safe,
Chwarisma Sarum,
CEO of Sosarir Storm Tech
---
Whether you buy or sell minerals - eventually you will make Sosarir Storm Tech a rich prospering corporation. |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
10
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Posted - 2011.12.20 22:06:00 -
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Chwarisma Sarum wrote:
Fly Safe,
Chwarisma Sarum,
CEO of Sosarir Storm Tech
---
Whether you buy or sell minerals - eventually you will make Sosarir Storm Tech a rich prospering corporation.
Seriously? Am I reading this properly? You signed your own post oblivious to the big name and corp affiliation on the left, and you even wrote out your own signautre, really? |
Chwarisma Sarum
Sosarir Storm Tech
8
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Posted - 2011.12.20 23:57:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:Chwarisma Sarum wrote:
Fly Safe,
Chwarisma Sarum,
CEO of Sosarir Storm Tech
---
Whether you buy or sell minerals - eventually you will make Sosarir Storm Tech a rich prospering corporation.
Seriously? Am I reading this properly? You signed your own post oblivious to the big name and corp affiliation on the left, and you even wrote out your own signautre, really?
Another happy customer - good.
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papamike
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.12.21 01:55:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Only regular Kernite is used for L4 storyline missions, and those storyline missions are now a bit rarer since CCP added other potential storyline missions. The +5% and +10% ores still get refined down into minerals.
While Kernite is the biggest feeder of Mexallon, there's also Pyrox. Both of which are found in Amarr regions. In Minmatar regions, only Plagio contains Mex unless you go to lo-sec (Jaspet) or find a grav site. However, the Minmatar regions are not highly populated and I'm not sure that the Amarr regions are as much as they used to be.
A bit of market speculation, but mostly demand outstripping supply - and supply side hasn't changed course yet to start mining the better ores.
Interestingly, the Rens Mexallon sell price is currently lower then Jita, meaning that its actually a decent investment to buy up Mex in Minnie space (due to lack of population?) and then haul it to the more populated regions, including Jita. The stock supply itself is alot lower however, so im guessing its not long before it gets spiked too. Hek appears to already be drying up of supply.
I dont know how long the price rise will continue, though the actual movement in the secondary hubs doesnt look to have increased massively in spikes, leading me to believe that it could well be an influx of demand coupled with longer term speculation. Perhaps mineral suppliers are drip feeding the market to artificially increase the price? Either way, it seems like a pretty solid investment to buy up the remaining supplies in secondary hubs and relist either on Jita or locally at a much higher price.
Kinda surprised this hasnt happened already tbh.
My hat is in the ring that Mex could well exceed the 60isk/unit mark and continue to grow in the next few weeks, depending on whether demand remains consistent. Maybe miners will start changing gears though and balance the numbers... Meh |
Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
33
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Posted - 2011.12.21 05:10:00 -
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Everyone - sell Mex at 69.95 ISK pu.
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
460
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Posted - 2011.12.21 15:28:00 -
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papamike wrote:
Interestingly, the Rens Mexallon sell price is currently lower then Jita, meaning that its actually a decent investment to buy up Mex in Minnie space (due to lack of population?) and then haul it to the more populated regions, including Jita. The stock supply itself is alot lower however, so im guessing its not long before it gets spiked too. Hek appears to already be drying up of supply.
Minmatar space is a heavy supplier of Plagioclase. But Heimatar (Rens) is not that big of a region (large amount of systems are lo-sec) and Metropolis is even more sparsely populated, so supply is not that great. And Molden Heath is largely a lo-sec region (other then the mission area around Teonusude and a few isolated hi-sec systems).
And, approximate ISK/m3 values of the hi-sec / lo-sec ores:
Veld 101 Scor 98 Pyro 147 Plag 142 Omb 69 Kern 136 Jasp 157 Hemo 167 Hedb 163 |
Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
33
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Posted - 2011.12.21 21:24:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:
And, approximate ISK/m3 values of the hi-sec / lo-sec ores:
Veld 101 Scor 98 Pyro 147 Plag 142 Omb 69 Kern 136 Jasp 157 Hemo 167 Hedb 163
You can find ore income in our website.
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Intar Medris
Globaltech Industries
Sanctuary Pact
7
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Posted - 2011.12.21 22:33:00 -
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This is why Pyro is my favorite highsec ore. With both Noxium and Mex on the rise the grin on my face grows larger. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
7
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Posted - 2011.12.22 02:25:00 -
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Intar Medris wrote:This is why Pyro is my favorite highsec ore. With both Noxium and Mex on the rise the grin on my face grows larger.
EDIT: See this is what happens when you **** off miners. We shootz your walletz,.
e: I have been advised by the expert posters of goonfleet dot com that "oh no, the extra 2 million isk per hour you're forcing me to buy is literally bankrupting me" would be a more bitingly sarcastic response. So consider that to be my response. |
DenForX
Open University of Celestial Hardship
Art of War Alliance
8
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Posted - 2011.12.22 02:35:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:Chwarisma Sarum wrote:
Fly Safe,
Chwarisma Sarum,
CEO of Sosarir Storm Tech
---
Whether you buy or sell minerals - eventually you will make Sosarir Storm Tech a rich prospering corporation.
Seriously? Am I reading this properly? You signed your own post oblivious to the big name and corp affiliation on the left, and you even wrote out your own signautre, really?
Because cut and paste is hard, inorite? |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.12.22 02:51:00 -
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Intar Medris wrote:This is why Pyro is my favorite highsec ore. With both Noxium and Mex on the rise the grin on my face grows larger.
EDIT: See this is what happens when you **** off miners. We shootz your walletz,.
you know a full decade of this and you might manage to cause as much damage to my wallet as my semi-routine podjumps with +4s in |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.12.22 02:54:00 -
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oh well time to import another freighterload of thoraxes for funsies and another ten or so sets of spurs and 5% implants |
Intar Medris
Globaltech Industries
Sanctuary Pact
7
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Posted - 2011.12.23 00:45:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Intar Medris wrote:This is why Pyro is my favorite highsec ore. With both Noxium and Mex on the rise the grin on my face grows larger.
EDIT: See this is what happens when you **** off miners. We shootz your walletz,. you know a full decade of this and you might manage to cause as much damage to my wallet as my semi-routine podjumps with +4s in
i LOVE POD JUMPS |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
117
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Posted - 2011.12.23 00:53:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Minmatar space is a heavy supplier of Plagioclase. But Heimatar (Rens) is not that big of a region (large amount of systems are lo-sec) and Metropolis is even more sparsely populated, so supply is not that great. And Molden Heath is largely a lo-sec region (other then the mission area around Teonusude and a few isolated hi-sec systems).
Derelik and the South East of Devoid region, are also suppliers to Rens |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
11
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:57:00 -
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you'll probably want to buy your mex now if you're a producer, fyi. Its already been going up and, well, with us sponsoring hulkageddon it might as well be oxy interdiction mk II
just sayin' |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
10
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Posted - 2011.12.23 18:41:00 -
[43] - Quote
Would you hate me if I posted some graphs about Mexallon?  |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
10
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Posted - 2011.12.24 01:15:00 -
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Hate me, I just did it here! |
Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
221
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Posted - 2011.12.27 06:16:00 -
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Mex just crashed overnight. Sell sell Sell!
Need Researched BPO's? Be it drones, ammo, charges, you name it, visit my forum store now!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524 |
Loki Ember
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.12.27 16:34:00 -
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Riley Moore wrote:Mex just crashed overnight. Sell sell Sell!
Mex has been crashing for three days. Where've you been? |
papamike
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.12.29 06:34:00 -
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Yeah, looks like my estimate of 55-60isk/u might have been too grandiose. Mex flittered around the 52isk/u mark and now looks to be in a declining state into the high 40s.
Seeing the sell orders that are up though, I think this is low to medium volume speculators getting out, which means prices may stabilize and even grow more after the speculators who are dumping stock buy back into the market. |
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
23
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Posted - 2011.12.29 07:59:00 -
[48] - Quote
papamike wrote:Yeah, looks like my estimate of 55-60isk/u might have been too grandiose. Mex flittered around the 52isk/u mark and now looks to be in a declining state into the high 40s.
Seeing the sell orders that are up though, I think this is low to medium volume speculators getting out, which means prices may stabilize and even grow more after the speculators who are dumping stock buy back into the market.
It'd also look that way, if mex prices weren't going to even grow more. Book order distributions are hard to read. I wonder, if anyone has a tool for graphing them.
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Roger 343
Galactic Waste Management
EVE Trade Consortium
1
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Posted - 2011.12.29 13:34:00 -
[49] - Quote
Crash prob happened and stabilised due people taking the christmas time of eve |
Loki Ember
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.12.30 15:05:00 -
[50] - Quote
papamike wrote:Yeah, looks like my estimate of 55-60isk/u might have been too grandiose. Mex flittered around the 52isk/u mark and now looks to be in a declining state into the high 40s.
Seeing the sell orders that are up though, I think this is low to medium volume speculators getting out, which means prices may stabilize and even grow more after the speculators who are dumping stock buy back into the market.
It did hit the mid 54s a number of times, kept retreating back into the 53s, all the time with high spreads on sells/buys. The drop was quick and sudden, then the spreads tightened quickly. The huge order dumps forced a sudden downward pressure. The tightening spreads pushed many of the speculators out. Mex is at a historic high and nobody wants to get caught with 500 mill units @ 50/ea when it drops back to 33. |
Mantra Achura
Community for Justice
BricK sQuAD.
10
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Posted - 2011.12.30 17:33:00 -
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I would switch over to Isogen instead... |
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
23
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Posted - 2011.12.30 17:42:00 -
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Mantra Achura wrote:I would switch over to Isogen instead...
As long as isogen can be had relatively risk free from mission omber, it's probably not going to jump much.
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Mantra Achura
Community for Justice
BricK sQuAD.
10
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Posted - 2011.12.30 18:37:00 -
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Tasko Pal wrote:Mantra Achura wrote:I would switch over to Isogen instead... As long as isogen can be had relatively risk free from mission omber, it's probably not going to jump much.
Well, performance is not comparable with Mexallon and Pyerite, but the trend is definitely going up. |
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