Instead destroying a freighter with a couple of players in high sec and without a wardec is fun and immersive ....

I have nothing against trade hubs. I do take issue with complacency. How dare anyone suggest something that might make the game more interesting than:

A. Set destination
B. Undock
C. Press the little A on your HUD.
D. Watch Netflix or walk the dog.
E. Find yourself blown up and then complain that this is hard work.

Why do you even bother changing posting alt the whole time? You are not fooling anyone.

So many assumptions in so few words.

Try to think about the effects of your proposal.

1) trade hubs would become unsafe as soon as they start to develop, so they will disappear.
2) people would not travel to sell stuff, there is no incentive to do that, so they would put what they build or wnat tosell in their current station.

You have ever tried getting all the pieces for a fit in low sec? I don't enjoy running around the map to find a module here one there.
I doubt most people will like it.

For what reason you want to wreck the game of a lot of people?
What will be the benefit?
Or the only goal is "People should play in the way Kitsune Rei want them to play"?

Not at all. I would just like to see player action have an impact. Gankers in high sec blapped freighters today. Tomorrow, they're going to blap some more freighters. And since there is obviously nothing that can be done about it due to the tactics of N+1 and an endless arms race, I thought it would be interesting to have those actions have an impact. But your complacency of buy everything in one place, sell everything in one place and adapting to changing circumstances and environments is too taxing on your delicate sensibilities you can just go on ignoring any suggestions and complaining about the game being too hard for you.

The solution to more interesting ganking is to stop treating industrial ships as unfittable targets

and give them equal slots and PG/CPU to other ships of the same size.

Then the target has a bunch of options they can employ and you can allow ganks more time to happen, meaning more time for strategy and outside influence to happen.

LOL, again assumptions.

It seem that you have no idea of the consequences of your suggestion. it wouldn't be "hard", it would be boring.

it will add nothing and remove a lot.

They're industrial ships, they're designed to move stuff around not partake in battle; they have no business having the same attributes as a combat ship..

I wouldn't be averse to having a high slot or two on a freighter. Like with some of the smaller industrial ships.

While it's unlikely to accomplish much, at least you could laugh maniacally while picking off drones as you go down in flames.

Mr Epeen

Spanish Galleons from the actual pirate era say you are wrong.
Get your head out of the modern era where piracy is basically non existant, look at the actual piracy eras.
Viking Longboats & Spanish Galleons were the large cargo vessels of their respective eras. And they were warships.

So yes, CCP do treat industrial ships as nothing more than targets, there are not a 'variety' of fits for them. And that is the root of the problem.

Spanish Galleons from the actual pirate era say you are wrong.

Get your head out of the modern era where piracy is basically non existant, look at the actual piracy eras.
Viking Longboats & Spanish Galleons were the large cargo vessels of their respective eras. And they were warships.

So yes, CCP do treat industrial ships as nothing more than targets, there are not a 'variety' of fits for them. And that is the root of the problem.

A Galleon was a warship that was used to transport goods; they were basically hauling with a battleship.

I imagine a Raven with nothing but Expanded Cargohold IIs in the lows and Cargohold Optimization Rigs

If you were not AFK, you might as well as go AFK once the bumping begins.

Freighters, orca, and bowhead, are just cat toys once the bumping begins.

You argument makes no sense. I could have a cloak/mwd or tank/cyno or battle hauler or be a decoy to agro to either clear gate or prevent jumping after my main cargo ship. A freighter carries stuff a to b, that's it.

My point still stands, this change is pointless, just need to scram every 3 mins and can still bump to hearts content.

Also can follow all the above and freighters still get killed for giggles, Just think they need a little valid love.

So yes, CCP do treat industrial ships as nothing more than targets, there are not a 'variety' of fits for them. And that is the root of the problem.

A freighter in highsec is already protected by a automated, invincible, 100% deadly police force which even scales with the amount of Gankers there are. So what kind of weapons on a freighter will save you from destruction if 40+ people attack you? What if they bring 5 more to compensate for the amount you can kill in a worst case scenario. What about all the friends you could bring to the fight RIGHT NOW? Why do you think that CCP should change the rules so you can win in a 1 vs 40 fight without effort?

I am also not surprised that this is a thread about another nerf to ganking and carebears already start to cry for the next nerf while they paint on this one is not even dry.

Get your head out of the modern era where piracy is basically non existant.

A freighter in highsec is already protected

A freighter in highsec is already protected by a automated, invincible, 100% deadly police force which even scales with the amount of Gankers there are. So what kind of weapons on a freighter will save you from destruction if 40+ people attack you? What if they bring 5 more to compensate for the amount you can kill in a worst case scenario. What about all the friends you could bring to the fight RIGHT NOW? Why do you think that CCP should change the rules so you can win in a 1 vs 40 fight without effort?

I am also not surprised that this is a thread about another nerf to ganking and carebears already start to cry for the next nerf while they paint on this one is not even dry.

So what kind of weapons on a freighter will save you from destruction if 40+ people attack you?

Welllll.... not a traditional offensive system, but what if CCP introduces a module similar to the new damage controls (emergency hull energizer?) for capitals... only in this case it's industrial/freighter specific, and that it re-directs ALL damage done during the duration back to the ship that delivered it. The module then self-destructs after the cycle is complete. I'm thinking, ohhh... 5, maybe10 seconds or thereabouts?

Of course, you could have penalties such as the 0% resists found with polarised weapons, or a 50% reduction in cargo capacity... and it would have fairly steep costs for manufacturing it too. This would be an active module, so I imagine a lot of targets who just set auto-pilot and let their ship sail to their doom are still going to blow up anyway. The thought of tornado's trying to blow away an unsuspecting hauler only to self-combust is quite amusing, I must say... that's just one mod, I'm sure I can think of a few more.

All damage inflicted by a PvP enthusiast to any ship in high sec is already reflected back when space 5-0 shows up. I fail to see how this addresses anything. A freighter reflects damage back at their assailant while CONCORD is shooting at them as well?

I wasn't being entirely serious with that idea (actually, not at all) but surely you must know there's a window between when the gankers start firing and when Concord show up? It's during that window where you would use it, if such a module existed and you timed it right you could redirect 2, if not 3 volleys from a Talos, which I'm assuming would be enough to blow it up... and thus one less Talos on the field, and a kill for the indy pilot. Or in the case of a tornado pilot, his insta-gib volley smashes straight back into him, and thus the gank is prevented. Having said that I can imagine catalyst/talos ganks would wise up to it very quickly.

Honestly though, I wasn't expecting anyone to take that idea seriously... it was something that just popped into my head when I saw Ima's post, it probably should have stayed in there. Or posted with the other bad ideas in F+I.