I've said it once and I'll say it again.

Dust 514 is ****** from day 1 just because it is a PS 3 exclusive.

Not making it for the PC (where, by the way, Eve Online, the game that made you what you are, CCP, you ungrateful sellout morons) was a brain dead mistake.

Dust will be going against COD and Halo, both of which have huge fan bases that not even Battlefield3 was able to fight against MW 3, and Battlefield has a huge fan base and history.

When I first heard about Dust, I was super mega hyped, but then you dumbasses decided to make it console only, which is a surefire way to make me and thousands of other Eve players not want to touch it.

That being said, I ******* hate consoles, and no wonder how much I love eve, I won't buy a **** console just to play Dust, I have an 8k Gé¼ PC for that.

Just like any business they are trying to expand their customer base. Making it for the PS3 opens the eve universe to a market that couldn't access it before.



Much like eve competes with World of Warcraft and The Old Republic on the PC? Just because a game is not the most successful game in a genre doesn't mean that it is not a success.




The fact that you were excited about the game to begin with surely proves that the game has appeal, just because you refuse to buy a console doesn't make a difference to the other 50 million PS3 owners out there who could very well find the game just as appealing as you once did.

On a side note, last I read the release date for dust was set for mid 2012, no where have I read that it has been pushed back or likely to be pushed back, a link would be great.

Much like eve competes with World of Warcraft and The Old Republic on the PC? Just because a game is not the most successful game in a genre doesn't mean that it is not a success.

You can buy a PS3 2nd hand for less money that it costs to upgrade to the latest graphics card.

Some people underestimate the amount of people who have PS3's and will play a quality 3rd person shooter for half the price of a AAA title, that will be constantly updated for free, and expanded for free. And where each battle is meaningful in a bigger picture and the maps aren't repetitive corridors. And you get to fly gunships and drive tanks!!!!

Even if Dust 514 peaks at 1000 active users a day it will be a success in terms of dust/eve interaction.

As an eve player you have nothing to lose by Dust existing. There is no reason for the pathological Dust hate.

If your jealous about the xbox thing, man up and buy a 160gb PS3 (which costs less than an iPod touch, iPad and most good mobile phones). And as for the controller, I use my xbox controller on my ps3 cus I have a converter.

As for the whole "should be on the PC " thing. I played Planetside the ability to make wall hacks and CoF hacks ruined the game a lot more than the BFRs did.

However, it is a well know fact that in terms of FPS games, console gamers only give a **** about the next COD or the current COD.

Sounds less like a fact and more like an assumption based on inaccurate stereotypes.

Oh, that's right, I forgot about Gears of War.

Sounds less like a fact and more like an assumption based on inaccurate stereotypes.

I somehow doubt that PS3 owners will be lining up for Gears of War, considering its an Xbox exclusive and all.

You have to admit that PS3 exclusive is a pretty off the wall move for a niche IP with zero successful experience in pay-to-win games. Not only are you intentionally distancing yourself from your traditional subscriber base (pc + subs) twice over, but you're attempting to compete with established names who are not operating pay-to-win.

I know plenty of console gamers myself and I honestly don't know many who like the idea of having the credit card next to them on the sofa when they kill dudes on the internet.

(I did know one guy who tried battlefield heros but the whole experience left him feeling dirty and used)

But hey.

My best hope for Dust514 really is that we (ie eve gamers who've payed for the development with our subs) get to salvage some of the art assets and link stuff for *our game* when and if Dust goes belly up.

I was generalizing.

That, is why you fail.

Haters gona hate

most people would prefer it came to PC tbh. i just hope they (ccp) have the sense to implement keyboard/mouse gaming into the gamecoding then the PC gaming argument is null and void. i couldn't give a damn about what's on my desk running the game as long as im not forced to use a controller and i think most people will think the same way.

easy enough to hook up a kb/mouse to a ps3 as long as the game supports it. CCP aint daft, at least i hope not ;)

I tried playing unreal tournament 3 on the PS3 with a keyboard and mouse, it was awefull. It was laggy to the point of being unplayable. I know the unreal engine on the PS3 is capable of supporting keybaord and mouse, but i haven't seen it used where it would be even slightly desirable.

I plan to use the playstation move, if they can get to work as well as Killzone 3, then i'll be very happy.

You forgot the part where CCP charges you the price of the game (pobably 60 bucks) + 20 bucks *entrance fee* to buy in-game currency to get weapons and ****...

Oh, and you also forgot the part where they will milk the **** out of you, so that you can get that new shiny gun or vehicle, so that you eventually pay as much as you would to get a whole gaming computer just to be able to compete with all the other pay2win guys.

You'll see... It will be just like Battlefield Heroes, where you have to spend like 300 dollars to have any chance against anyone, because non-MT weapons are pathetic and underpowered compared to the ones people buy with real $$$.

OH! And I almost forgot!

You might wanna' read this: http://news.tgn.tv/dust-514-fail-and-lies/

I await another CCP layoff and possible closing of the Shanghai office once Dust flops. Poor decision on CCPs part and horrible execution.

got you by 8 minutes winter, but glad there are others out there correcting the misinformation :)

Define flop please, when eve started it would have been considered a flop by any other companies standard, and now it is one of the great MMO's, if Dust pulls in as many as eve did it's first year I bet it will be considered a great start.

Eve from the MMO Industries standpoint isn't "great" Not even peeking at 500k subs after 8 years is generally considered poor. Most mainstream MMOs will reach that amount on launch then taper off. Eve's "success" derives from the fact that it is in a very niche market, one that has very little to no competition. Where as a game like Dust is in one of the most aggressive and flooded markets(FPS) in the gaming industry. Add that to the fact that it is being released as a single console exclusive, on a console that has been plagued with security breaches multiple times now. Lastly due to the long production time it has taken to release Dust(now rumored to be late 2012 early 2013) the use of the Unreal 2 engine will be considered out of date when it tries to compete.

I've never been much of a console player. I owned a NES and a N64 (that's still around somewhere), but that was pretty much the last time my hands lay on a controller.
I'm really excited about the concept of dust, and after hearing (reading) something about eve players getting beta invites this Christmas, I looked into buying a PS3 for dust alone. And I almost did, until I heard so much about what a POS it is... seriously. it's outdated now, and has been for a very long time. what makes you think it's a valid system 6 months from now? or more?

your entire customer base is PC players. and PCs have this great "feature" where you can upgrade parts of it at a time to keep up with current development. pretty clever, right?

let dust borrow some eve devs for a few months (you can make a great FIS expansion in just a few weeks it seems), adapt this thing for PC and cash in on eve players.

it's not a suggestion. it's an ultimatum. do this, or watch it crumble to dust (see what I did thar?).

How exactly is it outdated?

Now I KNOW you're either trolling or stupid.
If you don't see how a 6 year old gaming system is outdated in every way, you are a moron and should shut the **** up when it comes to gaming.

I've said it once and I'll say it again.

Dust 514 is ****** from day 1 just because it is a PS 3 exclusive.

Not making it for the PC (where, by the way, Eve Online, the game that made you what you are, CCP, you ungrateful sellout morons, is played) was a brain dead mistake.

Dust will be going against COD and Halo, both of which have huge fan bases that not even Battlefield3 was able to fight against MW 3, and Battlefield has a huge fan base and history.

When I first heard about Dust, I was super mega hyped, but then you dumbasses decided to make it console only, which is a surefire way to make me and thousands of other Eve players not want to touch it.

That being said, I ******* hate consoles, and no wonder how much I love eve, I won't buy a **** console just to play Dust, I have an 8k Gé¼ PC for that.

You forgot the part where CCP charges you the price of the game (pobably 60 bucks) + 20 bucks *entrance fee* to buy in-game currency to get weapons and ****...

Brooks please provide links to your sources for delayed launch and the use of the unreal 2 engine.

In addition I would say that Eve is a great sucsess as it has funded not only itself by the creation of 2 other games.

You forgot the part where CCP charges you the price of the game (pobably 60 bucks) + 20 bucks *entrance fee* to buy in-game currency to get weapons and ****...

Oh, and you also forgot the part where they will milk the **** out of you, so that you can get that new shiny gun or vehicle, so that you eventually pay as much as you would to get a whole gaming computer just to be able to compete with all the other pay2win guys.

You'll see... It will be just like Battlefield Heroes, where you have to spend like 300 dollars to have any chance against anyone, because non-MT weapons are pathetic and underpowered compared to the ones people buy with real $$$.

OH! And I almost forgot!

You might wanna' read this: http://news.tgn.tv/dust-514-fail-and-lies/

As for needing the credit card next to you to play, we simply don't know how much it will cost to be competitive in the game. It could be that a good player only needs to pay the initial buy in and then can support all there in game activities with isk.

We could end up with a system where players who can't generate enough isk on there own buy the expensive cash weapons and sell them on the market, allowing players with excess isk to play for free. Much like the plex system works in eve currently.

- at least 128 players per match with CCP's technology for node building

One thing I don't understand about the Dust hate is why some think that playing an FPS with KB/mouse is so superior to a console controller. I, for one, LOATHE playing FPS games on with KB/mouse... absolutely hate it.

And now, cue the "if you were a real FPS player you'd realize the superiority of KB/mouse controls moron" posts...

One thing I don't understand about the Dust hate is why some think that playing an FPS with KB/mouse is so superior to a console controller. I, for one, LOATHE playing FPS games on with KB/mouse... absolutely hate it.

And now, cue the "if you were a real FPS player you'd realize the superiority of KB/mouse controls moron" posts...

a bunch of unreasonable questions...

I have a question for you: Are you an investor (and no, I'm not talking about your measly sub), or otherwise invested in CCP's business to such a degree that would warrant even considering a response to your nosy questions? If not, then as a player, you shouldn't even have wet dreams of having any of these questions answered. If I were in charge over at CCP HQ, I'd be laughing that you even sent them over. I mean, who do you think you are to demand they be answered? Do you expect this with EVERY game you play? Seriously, some people's kids...

Whatever...

Expect an *I told you so* thread from me in about 1 year, when Dust will have failed horribly.

Mark the date and my words in the calendar.

I've been gaming since the eighties, I think I know what the **** I am on about, this is not my first game, and certainly not my first MMO, and I have a freaking lot of insider information about the industry .

I've seen many similar cases like Dust in the past, where an overambitious developer managed to **** all over a potential success by being unrealistic and overambitious.

The thread I will make in about one year (or less) will be titled *Dust died in a fire, I told you so!* and will link to this post, and your faces will fall off as you see that everything I ranted about here turned out to be correct, and you clueless gits turned out to be wrong and overconfident.

A line for the ages:

Don't **** with Freeze's predictions, the guy knows some **** you never have and never will.

Sure, as long as you dont mind me making one called *Behold Captin Clueless* when you turn out to have your head firmly lodged in your rectum Mr 'I have supersekret insider info'.

Deal!

If I will be wrong (which I will not), you can make that thread.
Hell, everyone in this thread that disagrees with me can make a thread called *Freezehunter sucks* if Dust turns out to be a success (which it won't).

That being said, challenge accepted.

I've been gaming since the eighties, I think I know what the **** I am on about, this is not my first game, and certainly not my first MMO, and I have a freaking lot of insider information about the industry .

Whatever...

Expect an *I told you so* thread from me in about 1 year, when Dust will have failed horribly.

Mark the date and my words in the calendar.

I've been gaming since the eighties, I think I know what the **** I am on about, this is not my first game, and certainly not my first MMO, and I have a freaking lot of insider information about the industry .

I've seen many similar cases like Dust in the past, where an overambitious developer managed to **** all over a potential success by being unrealistic and overambitious.

The thread I will make in about one year (or less) will be titled *Dust died in a fire, I told you so!* and will link to this post, and your faces will fall off as you see that everything I ranted about here turned out to be correct, and you clueless gits turned out to be wrong and overconfident.

A line for the ages:

Don't **** with Freeze's predictions, the guy knows some **** you never have and never will.

Good luck selling Dust to ps4 owners.

welp if it gets rolled back to a later launch and its best for everyone to do so, then so be it.

imo the wrong thing to do is flog Dust too much in the marketplace too early.
It's not like they have a massive IP like starwars, startrek, or even starcraft, so too much buzz may actually backfire if you give people too long to make comparisons and whatnot.

if its amazingly shiny and you only let people peek at it from time to time you'll generate jello, if you let people look at it too long they'll eventually focus on the rough parts and have doubts.

and to freezehunter

the 80s?
really? please tell me how Arcade machines, apple IIe, Amegas, Atari and collecoVision come into this?

or did you mean the 90s
and hate to break it to you but commercial gaming started with consoles

Hate to break it to you, but console gaming almost died before the current generation was launched 6 years ago.

PC gaming never dies, and it is way more resilient than console gaming.

Console gaming is a fad and it will eventually go out of style, just like it has before.
It will be replaced by bigger and better things, like portable gaming.

Hate to break it to you, but console gaming almost died before the current generation was launched 6 years ago.

PC gaming never dies, and it is way more resilient than console gaming.

Console gaming is a fad and it will eventually go out of style, just like it has before.
It will be replaced by bigger and better things, like portable gaming.

You forgot the part where CCP charges you the price of the game (pobably 60 bucks) + 20 bucks *entrance fee* to buy in-game currency to get weapons and ****...

Oh, and you also forgot the part where they will milk the **** out of you, so that you can get that new shiny gun or vehicle, so that you eventually pay as much as you would to get a whole gaming computer just to be able to compete with all the other pay2win guys.

You'll see... It will be just like Battlefield Heroes, where you have to spend like 300 dollars to have any chance against anyone, because non-MT weapons are pathetic and underpowered compared to the ones people buy with real $$$.

OH! And I almost forgot!

You might wanna' read this: http://news.tgn.tv/dust-514-fail-and-lies/

Eve addict with PS3 (bought largely for Demon Souls and Heavy Rain) but near completely uninterested in DUST514 because of :microtransactions: crew checking in.

Irony is I play World of Tanks complete with horrendous :microtransactions: regardless but my gut feeling is that CCP won't be able to create something with a model like that - and it'll end up being too intrusive and greedy and essentially niche. The thing about world of tanks is its popular enough that you can click in any time of the day or night and get a 15v15 tank battle instantly. You need a certain number of players logged in regularly to achieve that. If Dust (for whatever reason) struggles to reach reliable numbers of logged in players and persists with the :microtransaction: pay to win model it'll sink like an unloved kitten in a bag full of stones.

^
Proof postitive this is a console player trying to play PC games.

Quick if we make him angry enough he may pop a blood vessel in his brain and we dont have to listen to this backed up commode anymore.

Good luck selling Dust to ps4 owners.

Let me take off my EvE hat for a sec and put on my Halo helmet.

EvE players are dorks. The FPS community couldn't care less what EvE players have to say about FPS because they think our game is too complicated and boring. FPS players only care about instant gratification, getting into matches quickly, and smooth lag-free player and game control. I got a X-Box 360 just for Halo. If DUST is as awesome and fun as Halo or MW3 I'll get a PS3. If it's bare-bones and CCP starts talking about 'what tomorrow will bring' I'll frickin' wait until "tomorrow" to play it. DUST isn't for EvE players necessarily. It's for the far larger demo that plays FPS on consoles... while it's interaction with eve is what most of us talk about, and while some FPS people might be interested in taking DUST for a spin just to check it out, ultimately the equation is pretty simple. It DOES NOT MATTER what platform it's released for.

Is it fun to play? Is the player control good and are the graphics good? Is there lots of content? The market is jam packed with good FPSs no one plays because next to Halo they suck. If CCP wants to keep FPS player attention, they need to keep it fresh, give us lots of well balanced new maps on a regular basis, and keep it fun. That's it. It sounds simple but it's really hard to do, because if it's got a bunch of glitches and people are constantly super-jumping out of maps and sniping everyone or the modders get some smack to work and start super-speed running around with unlimited ammo rocket launchers, the unforgiving FPS community simply won't play.

TL;DR;
There are a lot of haters complaining about this and that saying DUST will fail, but in the same breath they say they don't play console FPSs. Those people are stupid. The only thing that matters is whether or not it's more fun to play than Halo or MW3. If it is DUST will do great. If it's not DUST will have a short run. It's that simple. Nothing else really matters.

Very true, just don't underestimate the appeal of being able to make an actual "Rep" for yourself and the ability to be part of actually making a permanent change to the universe you are gaming in. That can have a large effect on the "fun factor".

Very true, just don't underestimate the appeal of being able to make an actual "Rep" for yourself and the ability to be part of actually making a permanent change to the universe you are gaming in. That can have a large effect on the "fun factor".

them reps will be made by player corps too hopefully, good fc and troops that can listen and do the job and also think for themselves if need be ie not just random pubbies. names like IDK? DOF etc springs to mind. this game wont just be about random pubbies hopefully but saying that random pubbies shouldnt be made to fight highly organized skilled people either.

You really think the ADHD COD console gamer crowd gives a **** about rep and what *permanent changes* their actions lead to?

No, console FPS players just care about pwning noobs, teabagging them, getting 23253456357 killstreaks and calling everyone a gay ****** ****** jew **** over their headset with their squeaky mouth breathing voices, that is pretty much the extent of what console FPS gamers want.

From pretty much everything I've seen about Dust, i can safely say that it will not deliver on those expectations.
From what I've seen, it is slow and boring gameplay wise, and the console FPS player crowd will just go like tl;dp and move on to the next COD.

Get it?

NO CHANCE.

Empire = random battles.
Null = Organized contracted battles.

Edit: Low Sec Empire = dunno yet.

/confirmed mandatory kill tea-bagging (even if it means death)
Killstreaks are nice, but achievements/medals for crazy smack better
/confirmed mandatory smacktalk

I don't know if DUST can deliver. I don't think anyone here can say they do. We have to wait

Just fyi, for those that don't know the developer of Halo through Reach has always been Bungie. They recently passed the mic to a new developer called 343 Industries for Halo 4 because Bungie wants to develop a persistent FPS MMO set in space currently being called 'Destiny'. I would bet DUST doesn't get delayed, and that the pressure is on CCP big-time because of 'Destiny' more than Halo 4 or any of the like.

Giving Dust to console players is like taking a bunch of WoW players to Eve and expecting them to not quit after 5 minutes due to it being too complicated for them...

tbh, i'd say dust could be a great game if it wasn't beeing developed by CCP :)

You know it's funny...

My friend is a console gamer and he was the first one to tell me about Dust 514 and how cool it all sounded. Needless to say he's pretty excited for it, and in all honesty even though I'd prefer it on PC, I'm glad it's on console because it means I get to play it with my friends (Who are mostly console gamers).

But than again I've never judged a game on its platform, I judge the game on... well the game. As a gamer I own a range of systems because I wanted the games on them, no other reason. I can understand the fanboyism but it really doesn't make much sense to me.

I do understand the anger if you don't have a PS3, but you can't please everyone. If it's a PC exclusive then you upset those without a decent PC, if it's 360 exclusive then you upset those with a PC/PS3. Ideally it would be on all three platforms but it isn't, that's how it is and it's too late to change that now.
All you can do is hope that's it only a PS3 exclusive on release and that further down the line it'll be cross platform, which is entirely possible.

Good luck selling Dust to ps4 owners.

wtf? :) i know that line.

your saying ccp are not gamers?


and i heard bungie say in an interview they took their insparation from dynamix. starseige tribes. tribes 2.

You DO realize that a fair sized percentage of current EVE players have played WOW at some point right?

Or that most people that play computer games also have game consoles in the home (myself included).

You are (arguably) worse than I am at going off on a rant. Relax big guy.

I've never touched a console and never will.

Dude, you know what I mean...

I've played WoW for 2 years as well (then quit), you know what type of WoW player I am talking about...

I am talking about those people that ONLY play WoW, and that think WoW is God's gift to gaming, and they see nothing but WoW.

That's how console FPS players will be with Dust...
They will expect another brainless shooter like COD, and when they get a deep, challenging, complex game, they will just go like DERP<.> and go back to COD.

People here seem to think that I want Dust to fail, on the ******* contrary, I want it to succeed, so that CCP will get enough money to MAYBE, just MAYBE also make it for the PC...

However, based on my experience in gaming, and the gaming industry in general, I can't help but see that Dust on consoles will be like advanced mathematics in kindergarten, the players will be overwhelmed and they won't want to play it, when there are easier, more rewarding and established games out there.

Whatever...

Expect an *I told you so* thread from me in about 1 year, when Dust will have failed horribly.

Mark the date and my words in the calendar.

I've been gaming since the eighties, I think I know what the **** I am on about, this is not my first game, and certainly not my first MMO, and I have a freaking lot of insider information about the industry .

I've seen many similar cases like Dust in the past, where an overambitious developer managed to **** all over a potential success by being unrealistic and overambitious.

The thread I will make in about one year (or less) will be titled *Dust died in a fire, I told you so!* and will link to this post, and your faces will fall off as you see that everything I ranted about here turned out to be correct, and you clueless gits turned out to be wrong and overconfident.

A line for the ages:

Don't **** with Freeze's predictions, the guy knows some **** you never have and never will.

I am talking about those people that ONLY play WoW, and that think WoW is God's gift to gaming, and they see nothing but WoW.

Thank god, they got enough whiny wannabes on there already :P Maybe it is time for you to move on to a new MMO like say SWTOR, just please get the **** off my game. :)

Or, I could play both SWTOR and Eve (which I do BTW)...

Says the man that can't even get the price-tag right.



Judging by your comments on the forum, it would seem that was you until you emo-rage-quit WoW.

How about you shut the **** up or join a player corp before trying to be condescending with me...

Do you actually believe that CCP will be dumb enough to not sell Dust as a boxed product, in stores, or on Steam, for at least 60 dollars per unit?

Do you actually believe they spent that long on developing it to basically give it away for 20 dollars?
Are you stupid? Yes you are!
Are you gullible as ****? Yes you are!

Also, I've been playing MMOS since Ultima, so you and your condescending attitude can suck a ****.

Dude, you know what I mean...

I've played WoW for 2 years as well (then quit), you know what type of WoW player I am talking about...

I am talking about those people that ONLY play WoW, and that think WoW is God's gift to gaming, and they see nothing but WoW.

That's how console FPS players will be with Dust...
They will expect another brainless shooter like COD, and when they get a deep, challenging, complex game, they will just go like DERP<.> and go back to COD.

People here seem to think that I want Dust to fail, on the ******* contrary, I want it to succeed, so that CCP will get enough money to MAYBE, just MAYBE also make it for the PC...

However, based on my experience in gaming, and the gaming industry in general, I can't help but see that Dust on consoles will be like advanced mathematics in kindergarten, the players will be overwhelmed and they won't want to play it, when there are easier, more rewarding and established games out there.

Oh dear, so much anger. Tell you what dearie, when you have learned about the different models for games we can chat again. Until then, I'll just laugh in polite embarrassment at your ignorance.

Oh dear, so much anger. Tell you what dearie, when you have learned about the different models for games we can chat again. Until then, I'll just laugh in polite embarrassment at your ignorance.

You just lost the **** out of an argument, and all you can come up with is calling me ignorant.

Different models for games?

How many possible models can a FPS game possibly have? Do you even know what the **** you are on about?

It's either F2P + RMT (which on consoles is a bad idea and it will never work, because console gamers are known cheap asses that buy a console specifically to get away from spending thousands of dollars on gaming computers).

Or it's Buy for 60 dollars and play forever (which it won't be, apparently).

So most likely it will be Buy and then RMT, which is TOTALLY ******* brain dead and doomed to fail financially.

Don't try to talk about **** you have no clue of...

Trying to beat an expert in his area of expertise (which for me happens to be gaming) is the most ******** thing you can do.

But please, do go on and give me the pleasure of dismantling every hopelessly misinformed argument you throw at me...

Or it's Buy for 60 dollars and play forever (which it won't be, apparently).

Do you actually believe that CCP will be dumb enough to not sell Dust as a boxed product, in stores, or on Steam, for at least 60 dollars per unit?

You just lost the **** out of an argument, and all you can come up with is calling me ignorant.

Different models for games?

How many possible models can a FPS game possibly have? Do you even know what the **** you are on about?

It's either F2P + RMT (which on consoles is a bad idea and it will never work, because console gamers are known cheap asses that buy a console specifically to get away from spending thousands of dollars on gaming computers).

Or it's Buy for 60 dollars and play forever (which it won't be, apparently).

So most likely it will be Buy and then RMT, which is TOTALLY ******* brain dead and doomed to fail financially.

Don't try to talk about **** you have no clue of...

Trying to beat an expert in his area of expertise (which for me happens to be gaming) is the most ******** thing you can do.

But please, do go on and give me the pleasure of dismantling every hopelessly misinformed argument you throw at me...

You just lost the **** out of an argument, and all you can come up with is calling me ignorant.

Different models for games?

How many possible models can a FPS game possibly have? Do you even know what the **** you are on about?

It's either F2P + RMT (which on consoles is a bad idea and it will never work, because console gamers are known cheap asses that buy a console specifically to get away from spending thousands of dollars on gaming computers).

Or it's Buy for 60 dollars and play forever (which it won't be, apparently).

So most likely it will be Buy and then RMT, which is TOTALLY ******* brain dead and doomed to fail financially.

Don't try to talk about **** you have no clue of...

Trying to beat an expert in his area of expertise (which for me happens to be gaming) is the most ******** thing you can do.

But please, do go on and give me the pleasure of dismantling every hopelessly misinformed argument you throw at me...

So which is it, bad boy? Can you at least TRY to have a coherent thought. Oh, and if the forum induces this much rage in you, please don't take it out on your wife and pets again.

Dude.. Your Meds.. Take them.

You are an expert on the MMO gaming industry and consoles about as much as Morgan Fairchild is my wife.

/Profanity is the last resort of an ignorant person.

If you'd bother to not be an idiot and actually read everything I wrote, you'd see that what I meant was that CCP would not only sell the game and then be done with it, and they wouldn't be dumb enough to just give it away for 20 dollars either.

After that, I said that CCP will probably do both, sell the game AND charge that 20 dollars to get a start of resources.

But it's OK, not everyone is as literate and non ******** as me...

I understand, you can't help it, it's OK...

You are special, and we all love you!

PS: Stop trying to find errors in logic in my arguments, you are more likely to find gold veins in your room's walls.

Dude.. Your Meds.. Take them.

You are an expert on the MMO gaming industry and consoles about as much as Morgan Fairchild is my wife.

/Profanity is the last resort of an ignorant person.

Give Morgan my best "wink wink nudge nudge".

No, profanity is the last resort of an intelligent person that sees that making valid, logical arguments against morons is not enough, and feels the need to lower himself to their level to get the point across.

You don't see me swearing at Ranger 1, do you?

No, because so far, he's the most well spoken and non full of **** poster in this thread, compared to some of you other dudes.

Erm... DUST is going to be $20 once (with that value reimbursed in AURUM), then F2P from that point on supported by MT in a way that is very, very similar to how the PLEX system in EVE works.

If it goes retail box, there is no reason why this wouldn't still be the case. If I'm remembering correctly the retail box version of EVE was the same price as the initial fee for setting up your account purely on line. Somebody please correct me if I'm off on that (always possible).

I have a question for you: Are you an investor (and no, I'm not talking about your measly sub), or otherwise invested in CCP's business to such a degree that would warrant even considering a response to your nosy questions? If not, then as a player, you shouldn't even have wet dreams of having any of these questions answered. If I were in charge over at CCP HQ, I'd be laughing that you even sent them over. I mean, who do you think you are to demand they be answered? Do you expect this with EVERY game you play? Seriously, some people's kids...

Give Morgan my best "wink wink nudge nudge".

So where did I post in this thread exactly where I am full of ****? Since you are lumping me in with others of that ilk, you should have no problem directing me to a relevant post.

Or was it just me pointing out that any real message or defensible position you might have had is rendered completely impotent by your profanity-laden rage?

Erm... DUST is going to be $20 once (with that value reimbursed in AURUM), then F2P from that point on supported by MT in a way that is very, very similar to how the PLEX system in EVE works.

No, seriously now, how does CCP plan on making any money from this game?

If the MT system fails, (which it most likely will on consoles, because, as I've said, console gamers are cheap-asses), the only hope of making any money from this game would have been the initial numbers sold...

I though that putting the word *some* in that sentence would spare me replies like these.

I am obviously not talking about you.

Are you sure?

That's not what I read from several different sources at all...

Why don't they just sell the game for 60 dollars, and include a fixed amount of AUR in the game from the start?

No, seriously now, how does CCP plan on making any money from this game?

If the MT system fails, (which it most likely will on consoles, because, as I've said, console gamers are cheap-asses), the only hope of making any money from this game would have been the initial numbers sold...

I seriously don't get CCP's business plan...

I'm imagining CCP as a dude on the street randomly throwing his freshly withdrawn salary around, for people to take it for free.

No logic whatsoever, but then again, CCP has proven to not have any ******* logic in their corporate plan time and time again, the events following Incarna are proof enough.

My my, I wonder how they still stay in business...

This is what I understood as well. Technically, it is a pretty impressive concept and, while I'd personally prefer a PC version, I can see that branching out into a complementary vehicle is a reasonable business decision. They have a potential market of what - 50 odd million customers? And Sony has shown the strongest Q2 growth in sales since release.

Conceptually though, the cross over between EVE and Dust is a damn fine idea. I'd love it if they could branch it out and include a RTS element that would layer inbetween the two and thus raking in another gaming genre.

At the end of the day; they are building the EVE Universe and creating all aspects of it. A bold move and one that I would expect from a company like CCP. They took the chance many years ago with EVE and look at where we are now; with a fairly solid MMO that has weathered a lot of storms. And when you compare their longevity against other MMO titles (Tabula Rasa, Age of Conan, Warhammer Online, etc.) you have to be impressed.

All in all, I'm fairly excited.

That's just not true. Do you know how much Harmonix Music Systems made selling tracks for Guitar Hero / Rock Band? A lot. A lot. NetFlix is doing all right on consoles. I pay for map packs for Halo (and those are free if you are patient... but I am not). Console players will very easily pay a small fortune for content they see value in. (...especially if it's on daddy's card.) If there's interest in the game and perceived value in what you are getting the MT model will work... ESPECIALLY on consoles.

Freezehunter, seriously, if you find sources that talk about a different pricing structure (as at this point in the game they could still change their minds about the pricing model) let us know.

Yeah, but think about how many people know about and play Guitar Hero, Halo, and then think about how many people play and know about Dust...

You do realise that when those released nobody knew about them, right? Just checking, because your comments seem to suggest those games spontaneously came into being with massive volumes of players heralded by the trumpeting of angels.

They "did" have one thing that CCP usually doesn't get into, really cool TV ads.

Although with Sony's influence at work, perhaps we WILL see that with DUST. I rather hope so.

That being said, there seems to be a huge amount of word of mouth interest in DUST on the gaming web sites, and that has value as well.

I would like to see a source for that as well. A substantiated source, not just some random person sprouting off on a forum thread.

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You do realise that when those released nobody knew about them, right? Just checking, because your comments seem to suggest those games spontaneously came into being with massive volumes of players heralded by the trumpeting of angels.

They "did" have one thing that CCP usually doesn't get into, really cool TV ads.

Although with Sony's influence at work, perhaps we WILL see that with DUST. I rather hope so.

That being said, there seems to be a huge amount of word of mouth interest in DUST on the gaming web sites, and that has value as well.

It was a long time ago when I read that, it was all over The Escapist and some other high profile gaming sites...

Also, sorry to say, but the same can be said for your link...
Just because some blogger from a consulting company said that RMT games might be more profitable, doesn't mean that they are.

Like this? They talk about the $20 cover charge and how it covers an initial purchase of AUR.

Use your Google Fu and find the link you are talking about, please. It would help to see some substance to the discussion from you instead of just allegations.

As to my link ... a company that has been providing advice in this sphere for the last 8 years with a credible list of customers as opposed to a person on a video game forum making claims without a single shred of evidence / substantiation ...

Well.

I know who I'd trust more.

hmm do you know the name of thrax?

edit want me to fuckign explain?

edit thrax and co.

This?

Otherwise, no. However, if you could make an actual point I may be able to answer your question / respond in a more coherent form.

Oh, and it is *******. If you're going to swear, at least have the balls to do so without needing to bypass the word filter.

lol,
he was a pawn and i shouldnt bring his name into this now tbh but people know that name and understand what it means.

he released some ******* random footage. too fuckign latet though wasnt it.


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If CCP make 'persistant fps' the new buzzword then it won't be long before everyone is jumping on the bandwagon and proberbaly doing it better as 1. they are already far progressed in the development of there IP 2. They already have a full working FPS game 3. They are specialised to the market and commited and focused while CCP's interests are split.

I've never touched a console and never will.

Thats scary what someone said about halos development team because I was thinking almost the same thing. Now this is 'Big gaming news' well before the release whats to stop all the big name FPS's just bolting on a quick persistance feature to there games and reselling as 'game mk+1'. I reckon it would be a lot quicker to develop the persistance aspect of the game than develop ground up as CCP have had to. They also wouldn't have to deal with all the intergration problems of PC's consoles working together ( only been done once AFAIK 'shadowrun' for xbox, and that was dire ) and Dust hasn't even entered Beta yet, we will see how many delays that brings. If CCP make 'persistant fps' the new buzzword then it won't be long before everyone is jumping on the bandwagon and proberbaly doing it better as 1. they are already far progressed in the development of there IP 2. They already have a full working FPS game 3. They are specialised to the market and commited and focused while CCP's interests are split.

Given the 'heat' of this thread I'm sure enough people will disagree, so please flame away I'm not some dumb troll and vunrable to fire

Well, there goes all your "80's gamer" cred with me. How can one claim to be an uber gamer, yet they've "never touched a console and never will". What you mean is that you're a PC GAMER only...and that, my friend, is one secluded gamer.

Well.. GOOD! CCP will be properly motivated to keep the game awesome than. Competition is good. The more companies making great games the better.

Well, there goes all your "80's gamer" cred with me. How can one claim to be an uber gamer, yet they've "never touched a console and never will". What you mean is that you're a PC GAMER only...and that, my friend, is one secluded gamer.

Dunno Ai . MT isn't the dirty 2 letters it used to be as someone said FPSers are not adverse to buying map packs and such already also why would they neccesrily need to change there model the high value box seems to work fine and if combined with MT would be ultimatly more profitable than CCP's model.

Well.. GOOD! CCP will be properly motivated to keep the game awesome than. Competition is good. The more companies making great games the better.

If the MT system fails, (which it most likely will on consoles, because, as I've said, console gamers are cheap-asses), the only hope of making any money from this game would have been the initial numbers sold...

Damn this thread got kind of heated since I went to sleep.

http://www.steamcalculator.com/id/genrabbit

Read it and weep.

As you can see, I've played my fair share of games.

And those are just my Steam games.

There's also Origin (with 8 games already), and my other 9 active MMO subs.

Oh, and also the thousands of other games I've played since the eighties...

Expertise comes with playing.

Too bad I can't show off my UT 99 stats anymore.

If anyone can show that they own or have played more games than me, then you will have the right to say how bad and ignorant and blah blah blah my opinions are.

Until then, shut the **** up, because unlike you, I have the experience to back every ******* thing I say up, without using Google.

Expertise comes with playing.

Until then, shut the **** up, because unlike you, I have the experience to back every ******* thing I say up, without using Google.

So what! I have been playing games since the 70's when MMOs were called MUDs. A lot of EVE players have played a lot of other games for as long as you or I have.

Exactly how many game development companies have you worked for, in a Managerial or production capacity? How many trade publications for the gaming industry do you contribute to as an authoritative source?

Playing a lot of games does not make you an MMO or console game industry expert, and that is what you are trying to convince people. Your experience might arguably make you a expert player but that's the far limit unless you can provide some evidence to the contrary. I'd bet the guy that cleans the fish tank at CCP has more gaming industry experience than you do.

We get it, you are an MMO and consiole industry expert just because you say so, and because you spout profanity. Using google to corroborate your claims is just lunacy!

I have flown on many planes, therefore I can now accurately predict the future of all airlines.

You got your pilot goggles on there ? or your nightvison ones?

Ok perhaps thats unfair. In principal I agree more development better games for me to play, though I am fond of EVE and would hate to see Dust drag CCP down.

I've never touched a console and never will.

Olav M++rkrid, Funcom, nice to meet you!

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Does not compute. Olav is credited with making console games (SNES) at Funcom.

One thing is for sure, you are a poor liar.

I'd once again like to introduce you to my wife, Morgan Fairchild...

Yeah, I guess I should have mentioned *new generation* in there.
I seriously hate the current generation of consoles...

One thing's for sure, I need to sleep, work tomorrow!

o7 Fly safe... Or don't... Either way's fine by me.

Do you also berate your peers and spout profanity at board meetings, or is it just when people call you out on your indefensible BS?

You idiot DUST haters are really underestimating the persistent world part of this FPS.

And you are really overestimating how much console kiddies with ADHD are going to care about a persistent world.

Not everyone who plays consoles is a "console kiddie." There is a HUGE market of full grown men with real lives and jobs etc who spend LOTS of money on this stuff.

Hey folks bear with me with the bad english.

What I am consern about is that it will come out to late, if you do a search on google you will now find that they are talking about release late in 2012 mybe 2013.

This is exactly right. And with the PS3 I find this to be even more the case than with the Xbox; I own both and find far more "console kiddies" on Xbox Live than on PSN. I know, a generalization, but that's been my experience. So in my opinion, although CCP would have liked Dust to be on both consoles, I think they were limited by MSFT's lameness to the better machine/network anyhow.