Originally by: Houzukimaru

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I'm just saying we're not pirates, even though you label us as such. Same thing with UK, just because you call them terrorist doesn't make them so. And i'm afraid we found CVA pirating in IO space long before the war, altough when CVA does it i'm sure you refer to it was some kind of holy crusade or something or the other.

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Originally by: Vampire Lord

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Originally by: Clavius XIV

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Originally by: Wanoah

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Once again, the CVA oppressors seek to destroy free commerce and legitimate business in the Providence region. Providence represents a beacon of hope for those yearning to make their own choices in life - a choice that is denied to the billions of poor souls unfortunate enough to be living under the dark shadow of the Empire and its vassal states: the Minmatar Republic, the Khanid Kingdom, the Ammatar Mandate, and the Caldari State.

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An alliance who operates NBSI and regularly camps an entrance to Providence to enforce that policy is encouraging commerce and legitimate business how?

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Hands Down Kbp7 was an is the most hostile spot in prov. Extreme actions had to be taken to keep it safe. This Area was put under Martial Law. An because of the constant attacks it has stayed that way. Our relationship went bad because of a corp that's no longer in our alliance. Dread Elite. However we were set negative an we told we were not going to be actively hunted. You guys Made the first move by sending BC's not only to kbp7 but into the pocket. They didn't make it out alive but you're guys made the first move.
Are you so blinded that you can't see your own actions as piracy? Or is it ok to pirate because a holy power tells you so? If you kill people because they want freedom youÆre an evil pirate none the less. However what you guy's do is what you do. But it seems now you have brought the fight to us.

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Originally by: Pociomundo

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Edited by: Pociomundo on 23/02/2007 07:07:07


Perhaps you could extend that to not blanket labelling every member of an entire alliance because of the actions of few you may have witnessed / perceieved as being that of pirates.

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Originally by: Vampire Lord

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Originally by: Eveliddia

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Originally by: Vampire Lord

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Originally by: Rania Serlia

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One Empire, One God, one Belief is a purely amarr doctrine. Clearly our empire and god are greater than yours.

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His View's do not reflect the view's or idea's of the alliance. His statements we based from his own ideas. Any further statements posted without The Order's consent will result in swift punishment.

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If only you had taken such a stance when your men began pirating and working with disreputable individuals.

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It's very simple. I was away. The person that stood in my place supported what was going on. I tried to work things out once I returned but your leaders were not willing to do so. IO has defended this damned space for the last 8+ months. Fought against all forms of pirates. We control this area and will protect it how we see fit.

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Originally by: Rania Serlia

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How does CVA define the term "pirate"?

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Originally by: Aequitas Harbinger

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I had answered these questions but realized it was wasted. We all know events transpired because we are friends of Ushra'Khan. Calling us pirates is an attempt to validate yourselves to the galaxy.

If you have a real desire to speak on the subject, a private conversation is an option.

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Originally by: DorXtar

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I thought piracy involved asking for ransoms. Anything that doesn't involve ransoms is just griefing. Please let me know if I am in the wrong.

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Originally by: madcooie

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NBSI will continue and if you see it as 'piracy' that's up to you and your alliances opinions. The only reason we have for operating an NBSI is to keep the pocket clear of any potential nasties that may come in otherwise. If you or your alliance see protecting our own assets and alliance members as piracy so be it. We don't particularly care about the politics, you started a war over pretty much nothing and was CVA's own fault in the first place!!!

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Originally by: Aequitas Harbinger

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Edited by: Aequitas Harbinger on 10/03/2007 06:36:33

Originally by: Pezzle

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I fail to see what attacks on various ships in Amamake, Eggelende, Kourmonen, Ogusor, Auga, Basan, Gratesier, Gasavak, Brin, Ardar, Siseide, Taff, Basgerin, Kamela, Huola or in areas like the Great Wildlands.. have to do with you protecting where you squat. Address the issue at hand, pirate.

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You know those are pirate havens, Pezzle. Those kills you see on the logs are in self-defense. Before you say, the industrial ships are unfriendly suppliers.

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Originally by: Kessian Armus

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Oh, the circumstances in a 0.8 security system need not be researched. I'll tell you. IAC had destroyed a battleship belonging to a brother corpmate a few hours previous in KBP. I was therefore disrupting their mining operations in Hati. If it was unprovoked, then what I did would be considered ore stealing, but under the cirumstances, I feel completely at ease doing so. They attempted to retaliate, but the police forces of CONDORD annihilated the attackers.

And thats when they condesendingly informed us of "NBSI is how it is in 0.0"

Just so you know the circumstances.

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Cyrus Ageis > you were RED cause of your sec status

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Originally by: Kessian Armus

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All I'm pointing out is that despite your declarations of your ideals and intentions, you are simply assaulting your neighbors because you want what they have, plain and simple. If you want agression for the sake of agression, the least you can do is not try to cloak it in a shabby veil of "law and order"

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Edited by: Davlin Lotze on 17/03/2007 05:26:30

Originally by: Kessian Armus

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Pezzle, you miss the point. The point is, one of your alliance's supposed reasons for declaring war on IO is the fact that we practice NBSI. Yet IAC, at least a de facto ally, also practices NBSI.

All I'm pointing out is that despite your declarations of your ideals and intentions, you are simply assaulting your neighbors because you want what they have, plain and simple. If you want agression for the sake of agression, the least you can do is not try to cloak it in a shabby veil of "law and order"

On a side note, I have to congratulate you on a professional basis. Your assault on the UK station in QR was quite well done, and has in fact confirmed many of my theories on system assault.

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I think this well made point by Kessian illustrates as well as anything that has been said in this thread, the hypocritcal nature of the CVA alliance and their policies when it comes to the issue of "NBSI."

Gentlemen, this hyprocracy and doubletalk by CVA has been the leading edge principle in my "personal" conflict with them for the majority balance of my time as a pod pilot. They can brandish it "piracy" or give it names all they like, but the simple fact is that I take exception to their double talk and hypocracy

For my part, all stations\posses could be lost, my ships destroyed from beneath me, and my last isk at the hand, and I'd still fit out what I could against such double dealers.

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Originally by: Uhmari

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Did i miss something?

CVA is a like puke in my mouth...
Bio on the tip of my lips....
Their alliance is leaderless, They claim to serve the empire, and yet they show no loyalty to it, Cva has rebelled against the emperor, and still yet claims to server him. They are nothing more then pirates, Scum-sucking garbage in the universe.

I take great joy in the fact of knowing when bob tramples the other alliances, that cva will be last, and yet the quickest to fall.

Who is cva to judge another? i spat on you all.

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